Zombie What is the Best Offer We Could Get for C.J. McCollum? (2 Viewers)

[TBpup]

CJ will eventually get hot (while his teammates stand around and watch him dribble....dribble...dribble....step-back....crossover....step-back...fadeaway) but it's not how you consistently win basketball games against quality opponents. This has been an issue for years and is getting worse. His assist percentage is sliding down a steep hill and his defense is brutal at times.

The most he can help this team has been through a trade. Been saying that for years and don't see anything that would cause me to change my mind about that. Unfortunately, he has been signed to a contract that is now an albatross. He may be great friends with Dame...but on many nights, he is also an anchor holding the team back in one way or another.

 

[B-Roy]

So far this season, I think you could swap CJ and Ant's minutes and we would probably be better off. I can't really say Ant is playing worse defense than CJ.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'm guessing that "the best we could get for CJ" is getting worse by the minute.

 

[LayneStaley]

Send CJ and a first to the Pelicans for Jrue. Then send Hassan/Zach to GS for Dray after Feb 3rd. No I’m not serious but I’d do both trades.

Dame
Jrue/Ant
Hood/Baze
Dray/Skal
Nurk

is that 8 man good enough to make it to the finals?

 

[B-Roy]

I wonder if the Magic will trade Aaron Gordon for CJ. Their offense is completely sputtering and in desperate need of shooting. Gordon has also started the season in rough shape like CJ.

Gordon + any one of Ross/Fultz/Aminu/Augustin would work. Gordon is also on a declining contract, which is nice.

 

[B-Roy]

Another option is swapping CJ for Tobias Harris. We would have to add a bit of salary filler on our side because Harris makes more than CJ....the tax hit would be crazy.

 

[kjironman1]

I wonder if the Magic will trade Aaron Gordon for CJ. Their offense is completely sputtering and in desperate need of shooting. Gordon has also started the season in rough shape like CJ.

Gordon + any one of Ross/Fultz/Aminu/Augustin would work. Gordon is also on a declining contract, which is nice.

So now the idea is to trade a Blazer Vetrran who is struggling that we know will have his share of good games and is considered a huge part of this team for a player that is struggling and has no idea at all what to do in this offense and may never get better?
This seems like a bad move?

 

[Scalma]

So now the idea is to trade a Blazer Vetrran who is struggling that we know will have his share of good games and is considered a huge part of this team for a player that is struggling and has no idea at all what to do in this offense and may never get better?
This seems like a bad move?

Yeah I’m not a CJ fan but he’s worth more than Gordon.

 

[B-Roy]

So now the idea is to trade a Blazer Vetrran who is struggling that we know will have his share of good games and is considered a huge part of this team for a player that is struggling and has no idea at all what to do in this offense and may never get better?
This seems like a bad move?

That is quite the spin. Gordon fixes a lot of positional issues we have, as well as giving us contract flexibility for the future. Even if you believe that CJ is the superior player, which if you go by the last few years, is arguable, I don't see how this is such an egregious proposition outside of being attached to CJ as a person.

 

[illmatic99]

After making such a big fuss about retaining our guys and believing in our system and building the culture, etc etc etc, there is absolutely no way in hell Neil cuts bait on CJ before his extension even kicks in.

This isn't Jerry West and Blake Griffin.

 

[B-Roy]

Yeah I’m not a CJ fan but he’s worth more than Gordon.

Is he though? CJ is essentially on a 5/150 deal. Gordon is on a 3/50 deal.

But even if you don't believe he's a better value, Gordon is a multi positional defender, a good rebounder, and posted better assist percentages than CJ in the last two years. He's also younger, and we have someone behind CJ that could step into his role eventually.

 

[Scalma]

Is he though? CJ is essentially on a 5/150 deal. Gordon is on a 3/50 deal.

But even if you don't believe he's a better value, Gordon is a multi positional defender, a good rebounder, and posted better assist percentages than CJ in the last two years. He's also younger, and we have someone behind CJ that could step into his role eventually.

I don’t think Gordon is that good, you’d be trading more for what he could be, and there’s more of a premium on scorers like CJ.

 

[B-Roy]

I don’t think Gordon is that good, you’d be trading more for what he could be, and there’s more of a premium on scorers like CJ.

His scoring efficiency is similar to CJ's (54-ish% vs 55-ish%) for what it's worth. On less usage sure, but CJ is not exactly a "premium" scorer.

The price of no defense score-only guards is not 30M/year. The Clippers basically get CJ's production from Lou Williams at 8M/year. Oh, and Lou is a better playmaker than CJ as well.

 

[wizenheimer]

straight up trade: CJ for Blake Griffin...do you do it?

 

[B-Roy]

straight up trade: CJ for Blake Griffin...do you do it?

Well. At least CJ is playing games.....

 

[kjironman1]

straight up trade: CJ for Blake Griffin...do you do it?

Yep. In a heartbeat. What I have seen of Simmons has me sold that he could bring what CJ does. And a chance at Griffin would be worth it. Sorry CJ. See ya!

 

[LayneStaley]

straight up trade: CJ for Blake Griffin...do you do it?

Yes

 

[Reep]

straight up trade: CJ for Blake Griffin...do you do it?

Yes.

 

[Blazers Roy]

You guys are so quick with your "trade CJ" chants, but then when you try to find a better star who plays 80 games you're even faster on your way to hit a brick wall

There aren't many guys who are not insane,not injured and have star talent in this league.

 

[Bruno_Sabino]

Before considerer trade cj we gotta chance coach system

 

[kjironman1]

You guys are so quick with your "trade CJ" chants, but then when you try to find a better star who plays 80 games you're even faster on your way to hit a brick wall

There aren't many guys who are not insane,not injured and have star talent in this league.

Id still take 65 games of Griffin over what i am seeing from CJ right now.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

CJ for Gordon+Bamba

 

[tester551]

After making such a big fuss about retaining our guys and believing in our system and building the culture, etc etc etc, there is absolutely no way in hell Neil cuts bait on CJ before his extension even kicks in.

This isn't Jerry West and Blake Griffin.

You're right. This isn't Jerry West (actually Lawrence Frank) & that is a damn shame...

Frank (under the recommendation of West) was able to move Blake and avoid becoming a treadmill team. They have made extremely smart decisions (and also got a little lucky). I'm completely envious of their situation.

 

[tester551]

You guys are so quick with your "trade CJ" chants, but then when you try to find a better star who plays 80 games you're even faster on your way to hit a brick wall

There aren't many guys who are not insane,not injured and have star talent in this league.

You're exactly right. They are extremely hard to find. That's why we're so lucky to have Dame.

But make no mistake, that list does NOT include CJ....

 

[hoopsjock]

You're right. This isn't Jerry West (actually Lawrence Frank) & that is a damn shame...

Frank (under the recommendation of West) was able to move Blake and avoid becoming a treadmill team. They have made extremely smart decisions (and also got a little lucky). I'm completely envious of their situation.

To be fair, they haven't won anything yet and if they don't win a championship in the next 2 years and both Kawhi and PG opt out they are absolutely screwed for about 10 years.

 

[Blazers Roy]

But make no mistake, that list does NOT include CJ....

You score 20ppg, you demand special defensive attention and you can lead your team to victories without the #1 guy every now and then = you're a star in this league.

People here wanted to move CJ for Middelton last year and that idea seemed like a joke later in the playoffs.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Id still take 65 games of Griffin over what i am seeing from CJ right now.

Griffin doesn't play right now, he might be retiring soon with his injury track record.

This team will collapse with Dame playing without a co-star for 20+ games. Remember that Nurkic is not exactly iron man either.

This is the first season in which i find it hard to defend CJ, coach Smiley has a lot to do with it as most of our mistakes stem from his lack of leadership.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Draymond/Poole for a CJ package.

Love/Windler for a CJ package.

What say you?

 

[kjironman1]

Draymond/Poole for a CJ package.

Love/Windler for a CJ package.

What say you?

Interesting how everyone says how bad CJ is but then they want top players for him?

 

[Sarni]

Draymond/Poole for a CJ package.

Love/Windler for a CJ package.

What say you?

Cleveland and Golden State are both top 5 on the teams that don’t need CJ at all list.