Zombie What is the Best Offer We Could Get for C.J. McCollum?

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Interesting how everyone says how bad CJ is but then they want top players for him?

I'll agree with you here it's actually kind of entertaining, CJ's the worst, he's terrible, he's overpaid, but yet these other teams will give us stars for him. Like we're the only ones who have advanced analytics... If CJ is as bad as this board makes him out to be the chance you get Blake, Love, LMA, Green, Heck maybe even Gallinari is pretty low since his contract is so long no one's trading for him unless they think they can build a winner around him.

 

[Cugel]

CJ proved himself in the playoffs. This board is all about "only the playoffs matter". And then when a guy does it in the playoffs, he ain't worth a shit. In game 7 vs. Denver he was playing as well as anyone on the planet. In fact, that whole series he was great. Yes, who doesn't get frustrated when a scorer isn't scoring, but teams know he is a threat and act accordingly. The chances of CJ being shopped around, I would think, are small.

 

[Blazers1977]

CJ proved himself in the playoffs. This board is all about "only the playoffs matter". And then when a guy does it in the playoffs, he ain't worth a shit. In game 7 vs. Denver he was playing as well as anyone on the planet. In fact, that whole series he was great. Yes, who doesn't get frustrated when a scorer isn't scoring, but teams know he is a threat and act accordingly. The chances of CJ being shopped around, I would think, are small.

really speaks to recency bias.

CJ can take the blazers as far in the playoffs as they’ve been in 2 decades, with classic playoff performances in 7 western-semi final games AND STILL this forum will turn on him for a few mediocre regular season games to start a season.

Also, while everyone is always so certain we can get a “better fit,” look at how bad some of these trades on the OP aged in this thread from 2017... Tim Hardaway Junior for CJ straight up. Reddick for CJ straight up... We better not throw away arguably the most consistent playoff performer we’ve had in 2 decades for the equivalent of JJ Redick...

 

[1eyedjack]

Wish we could somehow get Jrue Holiday.

 

[barfo]

The blazers are tanking this year. CJ and Zach were told the plan; Dame and Ant were not.

It's all going exactly as intended.

barfo

 

[Blazers Roy]

Just a reminder, this was CJ in the playoffs compared to a permanent MVP candidate.
I watched those Rockets games and Harden bricked more shots and did more selfish plays than this board can ever tolerate.

 

[Blazinaway]

The real question to answer first first is whether there is any chance at all our GM would even consider trading CJ? and remember he just extended CJ this past summer

 

[B-Roy]

Just a reminder, this was CJ in the playoffs compared to a permanent MVP candidate.
I watched those Rockets games and Harden bricked more shots and did more selfish plays than this board can ever tolerate.

View attachment 28375

There is actually no comparison in these stats. Harden was much more efficient on higher volume and also contributed more in other areas. All this in less minutes. Harden got 3x the steals CJ had in less minutes for christ sakes.

Why are you using this comparison? It doesn't make CJ look good at all. By PER (which is more of an amalgamation of box score stats), Harden had a 25 PER and CJ had 17. There is a mile difference there.

 

[kjironman1]

Harden had over twice as many turnovers than CJ had in less minutes for christ sakes.

FTFY
Not to mention CJ had better shooting from both 3 and 3 pt range?

 

[B-Roy]

FTFY
Not to mention CJ had better shooting from both 3 and 3 pt range?

People that cite raw shooting percentages without looking at true shooting....what are you doing? I know TS% is cited a lot as an "advanced" stat, but there is truly nothing advanced about it. It's basic math. Harden 57% vs Cj 53%. If the end goal is scoring efficiency Harden is more efficient on higher usage, and it's not very close.

 

[kjironman1]

People that cite raw shooting percentages without looking at true shooting....what are you doing? I know TS% is cited a lot as an "advanced" stat, but there is truly nothing advanced about it. It's basic math. Harden 57% vs Cj 53%. If the end goal is scoring efficiency Harden is more efficient on higher usage, and it's not very close.

Honestly i was just messing with you. I understand your response and i agree to a point. CJ is not the first option on this team. He also is not much of a playmaker other than for himself.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Drummond

 

[illmatic99]

CJ is shooting 25/73 from the field and 3/18 from 3pt in our 4 game losing streak

 

[1eyedjack]

Really not unusual for C.J. to slump normally the team is able to find a way to play through it unfortunately we have no chemistry right now. It’s a long season he’ll get better. With three starters out tough to win in this league

 

[oldmangrouch]

What is the best offer we could get for CJ? Less than most Blazer fans think!

Too many Blazer fans see his flaws, but then expect other teams to ignore them and over-pay for him.

 

[AldoTrapani]

CJ 4-19, 8 points, 0 assists. Against an average team. At home. In a game the blazers really, really needed to win. What is wrong with him??

 

[OneSport3]

This was updated after last nights game vs. the Clippers. After tonight...

 

[Orion Bailey]

What can we get for cj and whiteside? Otto porter jr.

play anfernee and little and let them develop.
As soon as we can, trade cj Nd whiteside and whatever picks it takes for otto porter jr. and a salary filler or something.
Next year:

dame
Simons
Porter jr
Collins
Nurk

 

[BonesJones]

What can we get for cj and whiteside? Otto porter jr.

play anfernee and little and let them develop.
As soon as we can, trade cj Nd whiteside and whatever picks it takes for otto porter jr. and a salary filler or something.
Next year:

dame
Simons
Porter jr
Collins
Nurk

CJ has more trade value than OPJ. I also don't see Chicago wanting another guard.

 

[BonesJones]

really speaks to recency bias.

CJ can take the blazers as far in the playoffs as they’ve been in 2 decades, with classic playoff performances in 7 western-semi final games AND STILL this forum will turn on him for a few mediocre regular season games to start a season.

Also, while everyone is always so certain we can get a “better fit,” look at how bad some of these trades on the OP aged in this thread from 2017... Tim Hardaway Junior for CJ straight up. Reddick for CJ straight up... We better not throw away arguably the most consistent playoff performer we’ve had in 2 decades for the equivalent of JJ Redick...

Straight up? You realize both of those trades had multiple lottery picks coming back to Portland, right?

 

[TBpup]

CJ is shooting 25/73 from the field and 3/18 from 3pt in our 4 game losing streak

With an Asst/TO ratio of barely over 1.

 

[Blazinaway]

CJ for Aaron Gordon works for me and whatever salary filler/expiring necessary from Orl, salaries are roughly 27 mil for CJ and 20 mil for Gordon this yr, also save us a good bit of money as Gordon's salary "declines" next 2 yrs after this

 

[Orion Bailey]

CJ has more trade value than OPJ. I also don't see Chicago wanting another guard.

great. I hope you are right come trade eligibility time.
Cj sucked again last night. I can only assume his stock is plummeting like the great depression.
I see now, the laziness, or lack of effort, or extremely low iq issues whiteside has.

if we can get more great. But with the injuries, its clear this season, even if we make the playoffs, is not a championship run season. i say move cj to the bench, put Simons in his spot and start bringing little off the bench consistently to replace hood.
give the young guys run to be comfortable for next season when nurk and collins are back and we have players that fit better than cj and whiteside.

 

[1eyedjack]

I’m not a huge fan of CJ’s game but he will start making shots again and then everyone will jump back on the bandwagon

 

[Blazinaway]

I’m not a huge fan of CJ’s game but he will start making shots again and then everyone will jump back on the bandwagon

I won't, prefer to build a better roster and trade him for a good PF/SF, if and I stress "if" ANT keeps improving CJ is easily expendable (especially with his 3o plus mil per extended contract!) and we will have a much better idea on ANT's progress/capability when CJ can be traded which in not until late Jan I believe

 

[TBpup]

I believe CJ will start hitting shots....but was never on his bandwagon due to his style of play and how he constantly ignores wide-open teammates.

 

[Blazers Roy]

There is actually no comparison in these stats. Harden was much more efficient on higher volume and also contributed more in other areas. All this in less minutes. Harden got 3x the steals CJ had in less minutes for christ sakes.

Why are you using this comparison? It doesn't make CJ look good at all. By PER (which is more of an amalgamation of box score stats), Harden had a 25 PER and CJ had 17. There is a mile difference there.

Of course there's room to comparison in these stats! CJ shot a better % but on a lower volume of shots, if you have a problem with that then you're actually complaining about CJ not taking enough shots.
Also notice 16 games vs 11 games, that's also making it on a higher "volume".

"Less minutes and more steals"...yea, CJ played 1.5 more minutes and got 1.5 less steals while having half the TOs...talk about nitpicking here.

 

[B-Roy]

Of course there's room to comparison in these stats! CJ shot a better % but on a lower volume of shots, if you have a problem with that then you're actually complaining about CJ not taking enough shots.
Also notice 16 games vs 11 games, that's also making it on a higher "volume".

"Less minutes and more steals"...yea, CJ played 1.5 more minutes and got 1.5 less steals while having half the TOs...talk about nitpicking here.

I can’t argue with someone that doesn’t understand basic math.

 

[Blazers Roy]

I can’t argue with someone that doesn’t understand basic math.

I understand your simple points.
Yes, you are able to prove the MVP was better at some aspects and my comparison wasn't meant to prove CJ was better to begin with - It was to show CJ performed well for a #2 option and that he deserves to be called "a star".

Watch those Rockets game and count how many times Harden's role players fixed his mistakes.

Now go back to your important work at NASA.