What is the core issue with this team?

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I don't like Melo at all, and I'm not that enamored of Kanter, but this roster really isn't set up to simply not play them. I'd like to see a roster that makes sense before I worry too much about whether a coach is maximizing a broken roster.

To be fair, I am sure that the assumption was that Zach would have been available this year - which would have relegated either Melo or Kanter to the bench a lot more than what we are seeing now.
 
Dame + CJ will never win a title so long as they are the backcourt duo

Dame with Powell and CJ off the bench as 6th man...that might work.

Secondly, Blazers have ONE player that scores under the rim = Kanter! Nurk is a really big body and can pass well. RoCo gets his points shooting 3’s. DJJ can leap but he’s not “all that.”

I’ve concluded that we simply are not as good as I’d like to think we are. We get romped by the good teams because they are better teams with better coaches!

blow this mess up -

get rid of OLSHEY and Stotts and...

My “keep list” is getting smaller:

Dame / Powell / Ant / Kanter / Collins if he re-Signs cheap

the rest can all go.

I’ll still watch and cheer every single game, I’m a Blazer fanatic....but we simply are maybe the 12-15th rank and middle of the pack don’t beat the better teams and don’t get ya a ring
 
He played Trent Jr and Collins, but yeah for the most part our rookies and youth go wasted because Stotts is beholden to veterans

As a rookie? Trent really did not. Collins got some burn, but I would sincerely hope so if he's a top 10 pick. The picks that Rasta is referencing would not have been top 10.
 
I just completely fail to understand how anyone could think this. Stotts isn't wonderful, but he's probably top 20% of NBA coaches. He's coached more wins out of weirdly unbalanced rosters than I would ever have predicted. It's funny: every game we lose, I'm disappointed, so clearly deep down I believed we could win it. But for the past 6 or 7 seasons I always look at our roster and think "there's no way we make the playoffs this year" and the team always outperforms my expectations.
top 20%? You think he's a top 6 coach in the league?! Holy hell, I don't think i would rank him even in the top 20, much less top 20 %

Are you joking with me right now?
 
This is a really good question. Salutes to the thread-maker for bringing this up. I've been thinking about this a lot myself.

A lot of good points have been already made -- roster imbalance, lack of additional all-stars, etc.

To me, those are surface-level issues. The root of the problem feels like a lack of discipline and accountability from this team and coaching staff.

Take last night's Jazz game for example: Nurkic, already playing with two fouls, stops a fast break out of frustration and picked up his third while in the second quarter.

Let's go back to the Pacers game: Nurkic, a game prior, was talking with media about how the coaches don't want him to reach on defense as it leads to foul trouble. Yet, in the first-half, he reaches in on defense, but this time it led to a broken wrist.

I know both of these examples were Nurk-centric, and I'm not trying to isolate him in this thread, but it shows a lack of discipline on his part and a lack of accountability by the coaching staff. The staff allows bad behavior on the court to take place and does nothing of substance to put a stop to it. No one gets benched. No one loses opportunities on offense. Do you think Pop or Phil would put up with plays like that?

Back to the Jazz. There's no way they should be 10+ games ahead of us in the standings. You can't tell me their roster is significantly better than outs. Yet, they've blown us out by 20 twice already this year. Why? They play sound basketball. Phoenix does too. All of the elite teams do. When I watch other top teams play, rarely am I left scratching my head at their shot attempts compared to the Blazers hoisting up quick, contested jumpers on the regular because "we want to shoot more 3's this season."

The defense has been dissected every which way, so I'm not even going to bother.

I think the inconsistent effort (and play) is a bi-product of a lack of accountability and discipline.

For these Blazers to turn it around they need a new voice in the locker room and sidelines, a new decision-maker in the front office who can assess this team with fresh eyes, and a championship-caliber veteran whose been there before and can command respect.

As great as Dame himself is, he's often contributed to putting us into positions where we needed his heroics to pull us out, by not valuing possessions earlier in the game, taking highlight reel 3s we didn't need when we could have waited a few seconds and found a better shot. Last night, I'm reading about Melo, Kanter and Stotts as the reason we're getting killed by the Jazz while I'm watching Dame miss his second tech FT, then throw a pass right into Bogdanovic's hands at point-blank range and then foul unnecessarily in reaction. None of the usual suspects had anything to do with any of those mistakes.

But, to answer the OP, I don't think there is one single, underlying issue. I think we'd like there to be, because then we could change that and change the direction of the team. Unfortunately, I think the underlying issue is that this team is the Island of Misfit Toys -- we have a lot of really fun and interesting pieces but few of them come together in such a way as to maximize their assets.
 
They're going to get a nice wakeup call here in the next month. We were able to coast against bad competition for most of the season, but the end of the season is going to be brutal.

There are really only a handful of cupcake opponents left on our schedule. Detroit, Houston, Cleveland.... but the rest of those games could very easily be losses for us. We might drop out of the playoffs entirely.

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Why would anybody buy a ticket to see this mess.
 
Roster construction.

Neil’s M.O. is quantity over quality — stopgaps.

He loves his waiver wire bin.
 
Wishing every coach to be "old school" makes you an old crank. There's a reason Thibs never lasts long at any place: the players either get sick of him or just all injured because he never plays any bench players. The reason Pops has lasted is that he's adapted. But also because nobody is going to fire Pops after what he's done for the franchise. But I don't think Pops would do better with this roster.
One thing pop would his everyone accountable. I seen him bench Duncan in a game so I would think he would bench Dame or CJ and probably wouldn't play Melo right now.
 
We are missing that tough, banging, defensive, 4. The Buck Williams, Kurt Rambis, Dennis Rodman type. Zach was supposed to be that, but alas.
 
We are missing that tough, banging, defensive, 4. The Buck Williams, Kurt Rambis, Dennis Rodman type. Zach was supposed to be that, but alas.

These days you almost want a long, athletic, versatile power forward. I think the bangers are a dead art. You need guys like Grant or AD who can trap out on the perimeter. Zach is more of a center than a four unfortunately (Thanks Neil!)
 
we need an inside/out 3 or 4 which is top tier.

we had existing problems with our short and duplicated guards, and have traded away GTJ for another short guard in Powell.

I like what ive seen in Powell and he seems to fit well with Dame but one of them (powerl,cj - with whatever else) needs to be moved for a top 10 sf/pf

dream list options: domantas sabonis, siakam, tobias harris, middleton, ingram etc

midget ball n unreliable big men is our MO. im over it.
 
These days you almost want a long, athletic, versatile power forward. I think the bangers are a dead art. You need guys like Grant or AD who can trap out on the perimeter. Zach is more of a center than a four unfortunately (Thanks Neil!)

Disagree. I think you still need someone who does the dirty work - sets picks, rebounds, thinks about defense more than offense. When Nurk is on, he's like that.
 
The real problem is in this picture and might be more than one.

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top 20%? You think he's a top 6 coach in the league?! Holy hell, I don't think i would rank him even in the top 20, much less top 20 %
Are you joking with me right now?
You seriously think there are 19 NBA coaches that could squeeze a 30-21 record out of this roster? Are you joking with me right now?
 
You seriously think there are 19 NBA coaches that could squeeze a 30-21 record out of this roster? Are you joking with me right now?
Not OP but

I think there are 29 other coaches who would be better defensive coaches. Probably about 25 would be better offensive coaches. 30 would be better make at in game adjustments.

Which would probably lead to a better record than 30-21.

stotts is the worst blazer coach ever

saved by Lillard
 
You seriously think there are 19 NBA coaches that could squeeze a 30-21 record out of this roster? Are you joking with me right now?

Yes. I think anyone could coach this team to our current record. We have beaten up on trash opponents. The roster is more talented than you are giving it credit. We are able to get by on offensive talent alone and sheer will of strength from Dame, and that has BARELY gotten us past some pretty weak opponents. He is massively exposed any time we go against a decent opponent.
 
When you have an owner who is a bottom line executive and has the largest player payroll in the league, coupled with a the Covid fallout, shouldn't she expect results? Why would she go into tax hell without results she wants. The question is, what are the results she wants?
 
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Over valuing scorers vs defense, over valuing scorers vs efficient scoring.
 
I'm neither a Stotts' supporter or detractor, but one thing I think doesn't get a lot of attention in evaluating him -- or most pro coaches, for that matter -- is a big part of their job is being able to handle the personalities of a bunch of people being paid a lot more than them who're getting told by dozens or more of people how great they are every time they have a social interaction.

Stotts' offensive principles might be rudimentary: run some actions to get a guy a favorable isolation matchup in a position in which he's likely to score. His defensive approach might be non-existent, although I think a big part of that is based on his having two defensive-challenged guards whose primary responsibility is scoring and that's where most of their energy is going to be expended. But I think it's obvious that Stotts does a good job of getting players to accept their minutes without creating distractions and want to go out there and play. I think that's a lot of the reason that the Blazers' record under him has been so good regardless of Dame's supporting cast and the myriad of injuries.

It's a trade-off. I think George Karl was a very good basketball mind who could run rings around Stotts when it comes to Xs and Os, but I have my doubts that he'd has more significant success with the Blazers than Stotts because he was personality-challenged and clashed with players ... he had a lot of teams with similar or better talent as Stotts' Blazers and his coaching career is filled with first-round playoff exits. Karl's still generally regarded as a terrific coach.

I think Phil Jackson said it best when he said in his experience the team with the most stars wins. He won when he had the biggest stars and he was mortal when he didn't. The triangle offense got a lot of attention, but it wasn't anything that special, it basically got isos for his best player. Jackson's biggest gift was being able to deal with larger-than-life personalities.

When it comes down to it, there are a lot more Terry Stottses who've had success in the NBA than Greg Popoviches, simply because there are very, very few Popoviches who can win consistently with less talent. And yet, again, Popovich coached Robinson and Duncan and Parker and Ginobli who'd have shined and help teams win wherever they played.
 
Rip City needs new ownership and management along with coaching, imo. Id like to see a local owner with ties to sports in some way, and a gm and coach that have excelled as players/agent, that have a good understanding of the game and a desire to lead.
 
I think Dame has shown that he can carry a team, at least a certain distance. So why is it that we so often look so bad, and are currently being embarrassed by the genuinely good teams? It's easy to say "the coach!" or "the GM!" - I want something more specific. And I'm going to say (as many have) that it's Olshey's love affair with CJ. CJ has rewarded him by being better in the NBA that perhaps could ever have been expected, even given Lehigh's historic defeat of Duke. And he's genuinely elite at creating (and making) his own shot for somebody who's a SG in a relatively unathletic PG's body. But YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO SMALL NON-DEFENDING GUARDS AS YOUR TWO BEST PLAYERS. It just has never been done (at least since the time when EVERY guard was a small non-defender). It's bad enough having to compensate for Dame's defensive problems, let alone Dame's AND CJ's.

Now, the optimist might look at the acquisition of Powell and say - Olshey has finally realized this, and is auditioning CJ's replacement. But is Powell that much better? He draws more fouls and he plays SLIGHTLY better defense, and he's more athletic, but on the down side, he's been more injury prone in his career, and he's gonna want a huge pay raise. And if CJ could keep up his performance from the beginning of the year, he's better than Powell even given Powell's D.

I think the best case Portland team, assuming Lillard remains our cornerstone, is something like the Larry Brown Sixers' team that reached the finals. It was built round a small, high volume scoring guard, who was actually a good deal less efficient than Dame. But it was defensively ELITE otherwise, and it's just enraging that we seem to ignore that. I really do believe that Stotts is a very good coach (oh look, I just lost everybody) who finds creative ways to maximize the DEEPLY FLAWED players he's given. I defy the best defensive coach in history to do much with this bunch. You'd have to completely bench Kanter and Carmelo, and then you'd probably be losing games 85-80 instead of 130-110. Better margin, but ugly, and still losing. And the "good defense" would probably just be incredibly slow pace to minimize errors.

So, the question remains - does Olshey have to go before CJ goes? And then: would Jody ever get rid of Olshey?
So what you’re saying is...

Dame/Dort/Isaac/RoCo/Nurk

Makes sense.
 

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