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Tj

Thank you! If I see one more post about simons starting next to dame I am gonna lose my freaking mind. This isn’t stotts we are talking here, this is Billups. I promise you when next season come and if dame, simons, and hart are still on the roster, Billups will start dame and hart with simons being our electrifying super 6th man

If that is the case and ant comes off the bench... What if someone tries to sign him for more money than we can/want to match if we are to have him be our 6th man? What's that number, ya know?
 
Trade Lillard for Anthony Davis. We're contenders. It gives LA a legit #1 guy who is healthy. The Blazers get one of the top 2-way players in the league and one of the top big men. Just what we need.
Davis seems a bit disonnected in LA. He will be revitalized by the energy of the Blazers.

edit: If Winslow to Nurkic is good, Winslow to Davis would be incredible. Like these:


Yeah because what we need is a oft-injured big man coming to a team that is cursed with big men.
 
Tj

Thank you! If I see one more post about simons starting next to dame I am gonna lose my freaking mind. This isn’t stotts we are talking here, this is Billups. I promise you when next season come and if dame, simons, and hart are still on the roster, Billups will start dame and hart with simons being our electrifying super 6th man
Ehh that doesn’t make much sense. You’re going go be paying him over $25m/yr. You’re better off doing a sign-and-trade + assets for someone like Brown and starting Dame/Hart/Brown/_____/Nurkic. Then you’d only have to worry about one forward left.
 
I still say who cares who starts. There are more than enough minutes to go around. 32 minutes apiece easily for Dame, Hart, and Simons.
Plus Hart can play some minutes at SF. (hell he has played PF before-not that I would want that)
 
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Trade Lillard for Anthony Davis. We're contenders. It gives LA a legit #1 guy who is healthy. The Blazers get one of the top 2-way players in the league and one of the top big men. Just what we need.
Davis seems a bit disonnected in LA. He will be revitalized by the energy of the Blazers.

edit: If Winslow to Nurkic is good, Winslow to Davis would be incredible. Like these:


Give Dame to LAL? Maybe if they gave us like 3 draft picks. That's not a knock on Davis, it's a knock on LAL and how I'd never, EVER send Dame to LAL of all places.
 
Ehh that doesn’t make much sense. You’re going go be paying him over $25m/yr. You’re better off doing a sign-and-trade + assets for someone like Brown and starting Dame/Hart/Brown/_____/Nurkic. Then you’d only have to worry about one forward left.
That's assuming that Boston would be willing to swap Brown for Ant+filler. Sure it'd be better, but it takes two to tango.

Reality is, chances are low that another team will be likely to give up significant assets to procure Simons in a S&T, so we have to maximize our assets by keeping him and validating his play this season by having him do something similar alongside Dame next year.
 
imagine saying you have zero interest in a prospect with DPOY upside. Bozo behavior.
Skinny, not athletic, no thank you. He's not gonna make it in the NBA at anything approaching an elite level. Did you have Giannis over CJ? I did. When I pay attention the one thing I get right often is the draft with the notable exception of Oden over Durant, but then I'm guessing you had that too, almost everyone did and props to those who correctly saw Durant. Oden's injuries were what I didn't understand until after the draft. Holmgren is slow, unathletic, and skinny. He's not like the skinny guys like Giannis or Durant who had otherworldly coordination and athleticism, plus in the case of Durant extreme skills. This guy will be MUCH closer to a rotation player than a DPOTY get outta here lmfao.
 
Tj

Thank you! If I see one more post about simons starting next to dame I am gonna lose my freaking mind. This isn’t stotts we are talking here, this is Billups. I promise you when next season come and if dame, simons, and hart are still on the roster, Billups will start dame and hart with simons being our electrifying super 6th man

I'm fine with Lillard and Hart to start. Just make sure Ant gets heavy minutes as 6th man.
 
I just don't get this. He's completely different than ZCo. He's a perimeter player with a good handle and a legit stroke. He's much more like Porzingis or Markkanen.

That's fair enough. Neither of those guys are DPOTY or even perennial all-star level guys. He's gonna be a rotation player maybe a starter just due to height, tops. Guy will never sniff a DPOTY award nor all-star bearth unless he goes to a CA or CCP backed team (ala Houston with Yao Ming) that overwhelm the fan voting. Dude doesn't impress me at all watching his highlights. Slow and lumbering he's just picking on tiny college guys and will get bullied in the NBA.
 
Yeah because what we need is a oft-injured big man coming to a team that is cursed with big men.
I guess we don't need a championship either.
And Nurkic is the epitome of a healthy big man.
 
Clearly a duo of Ant and Dame is terrifying offensively but how bad would they be on defense? How would it be different than Dame and CJ? That is Portland's biggest offseason concern for me. Dame and Hart seems like a safer bet for a well-rounded backcourt. You hate to sign and trade Ant but if it means getting a borderline superstar wing do you do it?

Ant is good people. That's worth something too. And he's terribly young and has not reached his ceiling (most likely). On the other hand paying Ant is safe for post-Dame Portland.

I say keep Ant and give him a payday. And hope to hell Dame and Ant can play some defense.
 
Skinny, not athletic, no thank you. He's not gonna make it in the NBA at anything approaching an elite level. Did you have Giannis over CJ? I did. When I pay attention the one thing I get right often is the draft with the notable exception of Oden over Durant, but then I'm guessing you had that too, almost everyone did and props to those who correctly saw Durant. Oden's injuries were what I didn't understand until after the draft. Holmgren is slow, unathletic, and skinny. He's not like the skinny guys like Giannis or Durant who had otherworldly coordination and athleticism, plus in the case of Durant extreme skills. This guy will be MUCH closer to a rotation player than a DPOTY get outta here lmfao.
And if he's Porzingis, that guy in on his 3rd team.
 
Clearly a duo of Ant and Dame is terrifying offensively but how bad would they be on defense? How would it be different than Dame and CJ? That is Portland's biggest offseason concern for me. Dame and Hart seems like a safer bet for a well-rounded backcourt. You hate to sign and trade Ant but if it means getting a borderline superstar wing do you do it?

Ant is good people. That's worth something too. And he's terribly young and has not reached his ceiling (most likely). On the other hand paying Ant is safe for post-Dame Portland.

I say keep Ant and give him a payday. And hope to hell Dame and Ant can play some defense.

Personally, I am just not seeing the CJ/ Ant similarities on D. Nonetheless that is why you match them both with Hart and hell even Winslow for that matter.
Either way, I say you at least try it until next February. Dame can not keep playing 36-38 minutes per game.
 
Clearly a duo of Ant and Dame is terrifying offensively but how bad would they be on defense? How would it be different than Dame and CJ? That is Portland's biggest offseason concern for me. Dame and Hart seems like a safer bet for a well-rounded backcourt. You hate to sign and trade Ant but if it means getting a borderline superstar wing do you do it?

Ant is good people. That's worth something too. And he's terribly young and has not reached his ceiling (most likely). On the other hand paying Ant is safe for post-Dame Portland.

I say keep Ant and give him a payday. And hope to hell Dame and Ant can play some defense.
It makes no sense to me to hope Ant and Dame can play defense when we have Josh Hart. It would make sense if we didn't have Josh Hart, but we do have Josh Hart.
 
If that is the case and ant comes off the bench... What if someone tries to sign him for more money than we can/want to match if we are to have him be our 6th man? What's that number, ya know?
If I had a team that could offer big money, I certainly would try getting Simons. I'd offer him the max he could be paid. CJ is getting $30 million and he's 30 years old.
 
If I had a team that could offer big money, I certainly would try getting Simons. I'd offer him the max he could be paid. CJ is getting $30 million and he's 30 years old.

It is laughable to think that before the season started a few posters said it would be stupid even to extend him at 7 million per year.
 
Tj

Thank you! If I see one more post about simons starting next to dame I am gonna lose my freaking mind. This isn’t stotts we are talking here, this is Billups. I promise you when next season come and if dame, simons, and hart are still on the roster, Billups will start dame and hart with simons being our electrifying super 6th man
I will 100% take that bet that if Dame, Ant and Hart are on the roster next season, Dame and Simons will start. There is absolutely no way Ant will come off the bench.
 
I agree, a Brown package would be the best. However, with AD’s value down I wonder what Lebron would be willing to give up for Dame. I mean if LAL miss the playoffs and with the emergence of Ant would we really turn down a package of AD and a lottery pick? Davis is 4 years younger and when he plays motivated is unstoppable. Could Billups get that out of him? Having AD and 3 lotto picks(potentially), TPE, and MLE would be insane.

Ant/lotto pick
Hart/Keon
Nas/Winslow/Hughes
AD/Watford
Nurk/lotto pick

Trade the 3rd pick and TPE for a proven player. The flexibility would be insane. Rather have Brown though and trade for Grant.

Ant
Hart
Brown
Grant
Nurk

I think that’s ^ a championship starting lineup potentially
 
I agree, a Brown package would be the best. However, with AD’s value down I wonder what Lebron would be willing to give up for Dame. I mean if LAL miss the playoffs and with the emergence of Ant would we really turn down a package of AD and a lottery pick? Davis is 4 years younger and when he plays motivated is unstoppable. Could Billups get that out of him? Having AD and 3 lotto picks(potentially), TPE, and MLE would be insane.

Ant/lotto pick
Hart/Keon
Nas/Winslow/Hughes
AD/Watford
Nurk/lotto pick

Trade the 3rd pick and TPE for a proven player. The flexibility would be insane. Rather have Brown though and trade for Grant.

Ant
Hart
Brown
Grant
Nurk

I think that’s ^ a championship starting lineup potentially

Ah yes, the ever so reliable AD.
 
Ah yes, the ever so reliable AD.
THAT is a contender. AD is the big man that can block shots anywhere (among many other things) . He did that against the Blazers. AD has missed a lot of regular season games, but he's only missed 1 or 40 playoff games in his career. He played in every game when they won the championship. He's nearly 3 years younger than Dame and just a little more than one year older than Nurk.
 
That's assuming that Boston would be willing to swap Brown for Ant+filler. Sure it'd be better, but it takes two to tango.

Reality is, chances are low that another team will be likely to give up significant assets to procure Simons in a S&T, so we have to maximize our assets by keeping him and validating his play this season by having him do something similar alongside Dame next year.
In a normal S&T the team facilitating the deal with the player they have bird rights for doesn't get much but this would not be that. If a team has a RFA and informs the whole league that they'll match anything, then that's just like any other trade. Ant is ours just as much as Dame is. So we should get what is seen as equal value back in a S&T of Ant instead of a relatively small payment for facilitating.
 
Ehh that doesn’t make much sense. You’re going go be paying him over $25m/yr. You’re better off doing a sign-and-trade + assets for someone like Brown and starting Dame/Hart/Brown/_____/Nurkic. Then you’d only have to worry about one forward left.
With those players I would just keep Winslow at PF. He's doing a fantastic job of defending and being a facilitator on offense. "Hockey assists" from Simons to Winslow to player #3 are part of our offense now.

yeah it doesn't make sense to pay a bench player that kind of money.
But Lillards salary is going to become huge pretty soon. Wouldn't it be better to trade him?
 
One thing I think that we are overlooking, is that Josh Hart cannot be a fill in at point guard, like Simons or even McCollum and Powell. We're lucky this season to have had both Lillard and Simons. If we trade one of them, and the remaining guy gets injured, our season is over.
For that reason I think it would be safer to keep both of them for a season and see how it works out. Josh Hart can get some minutes at Small Forward (but should be a starter at SG). It's conceivable that a lineup with Lillard and Simons and Hart could be effective at times. PG and shooting guard would be covered, and there are several guys who could play SF, Little, Hart, Elleby and Winslow. Winslow and Watford can cover PF. We really need a good backup C. Watford is OK, but rebounding falls off quite a bit when Nurkic is out and Watford plays C.
 
I just don't get this. He's completely different than ZCo. He's a perimeter player with a good handle and a legit stroke. He's much more like Porzingis or Markkanen.
My question due to him not having NBA body right and maybe never will his durability in the league. Porzingis been major part of his career. Plus he also could turn out be Bol Bol too. To me there to many questions marks in that area to draft him.
 
Simons will be here next year because the blazers will match any contract for this kid. It be up to the coach who will start my next season with Dame.
 

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