What is the ideal off-season? (1 Viewer)

[B-Roy]

Okay, given what has transpired during the trade deadline, what do you guys think is the most realistic/likely option that Joe is hunting for this off-season? Of course someone will flame out of the playoffs and a player originally thought of as untouchable may shake free, but as it stands I think we can be hoping for something like this (operating as an above the cap team):

1. Pray to god the Pelicans pick conveys.
2. Trade the worse of the Pelicans/our pick for Grant. Try to use Bledsoe as matching salary, but Detroit probably asks for the TPE. I'm not super high on Grant, but Joe seems to have an attachment to him, and he would be somewhat of a goodwill gesture to Dame.
3. Re-sign Nurkic to a team friendly 16M/Year contract. (14/15/17/18, Last year TO)
4. Re-sign Ant (after everyone else has signed) to a 4 year 90M contract. This is A LOT of money, so hopefully he lives up to it. (This is what Mikal Bridges got, 22.75M / Year)
5. Pick up Josh Hart's option.
6. Full MLE for Kyle Anderson.
7. Re-sign McLemore to a 3M/Year contract.
8. Sign Trendon Watford to a cheap team friendly contract.
9. Use our own lottery pick on a Chauncey type player.

If we still have the 20M TPE, carry that into the season and try to do something with it.

Dame/Hart/Johnson
Ant/Hart/McLemore
Nas/Anderson/Lottery pick? (Keegan Murray?)
Grant/Winslow/Brown
Nurkic/Watford/Vet Min Center?

It's not great, but it's definitely a team that's more suited to ChaunceyBall™. There is also a lot of flexibility with those contracts (and maybe the TPE) so we can do some maneuvering throughout the season.

 

[Pinwheel1]

That is a pretty good list. I am hoping though that Hughes can show us enough that he can replace McClemore for a little cheaper than Ben.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I know you're not overjoyed with Grant, but look at the PF FA market, and I think you'll like him a lot more!

 

[B-Roy]

I know you're not overjoyed with Grant, but look at the PF FA market, and I think you'll like him a lot more!

I'm not hoping for anyone in free agency, there is no one. But yes, I'm fine with Grant because he's probably the best talent that we can realistically get with our TPE. And like I said, it's a goodwill gesture to Dame (we're trying!).

 

[Labinot41]

Dude @B-Roy you should become GM

 

[Blazinaway]

big FA unlikely with what's there, lopsided salary trade/or TPE with a lotto pick is a possible avenue to get a very good player, got some teams with bloated salaries that may need to "slim down" if they are under achieving

 

[wizenheimer]

there is kind of a pipedream off-season plan depending getting both lottery picks and on a couple of teams cooperating, which they likely wouldn't

1) trade Simons in a S&T to Boston along with one of the lottery picks, plus filler like Winslow and Louzada/Hughes to Boston for Jaylen Brown

2) trade the other lottery pick + Bedsoe/TPE for Grant

re-sign Nurkic for less than 15M/year

Dame
Hart
Brown
Grant
Nurkic

short of that I'm not expending much energy in figuring out alternative scenarios. I just hope Cronin doesn't bid against himself like Olshey often did

 

[B-Roy]

there is kind of a pipedream off-season plan depending getting both lottery picks and on a couple of teams cooperating, which they likely wouldn't

1) trade Simons in a S&T to Boston along with one of the lottery picks, plus filler like Winslow and Louzada/Hughes to Boston for Jaylen Brown

2) trade the other lottery pick + Bedsoe/TPE for Grant

re-sign Nurkic for less than 15M/year

Dame
Hart
Brown
Grant
Nurkic

short of that I'm not expending much energy in figuring out alternative scenarios. I just hope Cronin doesn't bid against himself like Olshey often did

This is the "shake free" I was talking about if Boston absolutely flames out of the playoffs. Although tiny nitpick but Hughes is a FA this off-season. I don't see us re-signing either Hughes or Elleby. Also would be nice to dump Louzada on someone. That guy is useless.

 

[wizenheimer]

This is the "shake free" I was talking about if Boston absolutely flames out of the playoffs. Although tiny nitpick but Hughes is a FA this off-season. I don't see us re-signing either Hughes or Elleby. Also would be nice to dump Louzada on someone. That guy is useless.

yeah, it's a long shot but at least the Blazers are in a position to potentially score on a long shot deal now. They weren't 10 days ago

 

[Orion Bailey]

there is kind of a pipedream off-season plan depending getting both lottery picks and on a couple of teams cooperating, which they likely wouldn't

1) trade Simons in a S&T to Boston along with one of the lottery picks, plus filler like Winslow and Louzada/Hughes to Boston for Jaylen Brown

2) trade the other lottery pick + Bedsoe/TPE for Grant

re-sign Nurkic for less than 15M/year

Dame
Hart
Brown
Grant
Nurkic

short of that I'm not expending much energy in figuring out alternative scenarios. I just hope Cronin doesn't bid against himself like Olshey often did

if you could fill out the bench, thats a contender. How would you fill out the bench? Im sold though.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I'd roll the dice on Jalen Smith since he's unrestricted.

 

[Chris Craig]

Okay, given what has transpired during the trade deadline, what do you guys think is the most realistic/likely option that Joe is hunting for this off-season? Of course someone will flame out of the playoffs and a player originally thought of as untouchable may shake free, but as it stands I think we can be hoping for something like this (operating as an above the cap team):

1. Pray to god the Pelicans pick conveys.
2. Trade the worse of the Pelicans/our pick for Grant. Try to use Bledsoe as matching salary, but Detroit probably asks for the TPE. I'm not super high on Grant, but Joe seems to have an attachment to him, and he would be somewhat of a goodwill gesture to Dame.
3. Re-sign Nurkic to a team friendly 16M/Year contract. (14/15/17/18, Last year TO)
4. Re-sign Ant (after everyone else has signed) to a 4 year 90M contract. This is A LOT of money, so hopefully he lives up to it. (This is what Mikal Bridges got, 22.75M / Year)
5. Pick up Josh Hart's option.
6. Full MLE for Kyle Anderson.
7. Re-sign McLemore to a 3M/Year contract.
8. Sign Trendon Watford to a cheap team friendly contract.
9. Use our own lottery pick on a Chauncey type player.

If we still have the 20M TPE, carry that into the season and try to do something with it.

Dame/Hart/Johnson
Ant/Hart/McLemore
Nas/Anderson/Lottery pick? (Keegan Murray?)
Grant/Winslow/Brown
Nurkic/Watford/Vet Min Center?

It's not great, but it's definitely a team that's more suited to ChaunceyBall™. There is also a lot of flexibility with those contracts (and maybe the TPE) so we can do some maneuvering throughout the season.

Something like this

If it was as easy as trading the NO pick and Bledsoe for Grant it would have happened already. The Pistons want two picks. Portland would likely have to give up their own and NO's. Though DET may be more willing to part with Grant during the draft because they will be taking Smith or Banchero to replace him on the cheap.

 

[B-Roy]

Something like this

If it was as easy as trading the NO pick and Bledsoe for Grant it would have happened already. The Pistons want two picks. Portland would likely have to give up their own and NO's. Though DET may be more willing to part with Grant during the draft because they will be taking Smith or Banchero to replace him on the cheap.

Not true. There is a lot of uncertainty with the pick right now. Come draft day there will be more certainty with where the pick lies and who is available. It’s a lot easier to justify trading Grant for an actual player versus a chance at 5-14.

 

[Chris Craig]

We aren't getting Harden or LaVine. Maybe Beal but very unlikely...and seeing as we just unloaded CJ to give Simons the keys, why would the Blazers sign Beal and undo that?

I also don't see the Blazers trading Simons for Brown.

Blazers are going to build a team the hard way

 

[damianlillard]

We trade pelicans pick, Bledsoe, and Keon Johnson for grant. Then use our pick on one of the SG/Forwards that will be available in our range. I am assuming we don’t have much money to play with unless we renounce Simon and Nurk. So resign Nurk to a 3 year $50 mil with the 3rd year being a team option. Resign Simons to 4 year $80 mil. Resign Ingles to one year $5 mil. Sign Kyle Anderson to mle. Sign Watford to a cheap deal. Sign a vet c to a cheap deal.
Dame/simons
Hart/ingles/lottery
Little/Winslow
Grant/Anderson
Nurk/Watford/Vet
A very good and tough defensive squad with good offense. There is also very good depth at every position and a ton of versatility.

 

[Chris Craig]

Not true. There is a lot of uncertainty with the pick right now. Come draft day there will be more certainty with where the pick lies and who is available. It’s a lot easier to justify trading Grant for an actual player versus a chance at 5-14.

True

The pick would be an absolute then, but they have said they want two picks for Grant. Not that they might not come down from that.

 

[wizenheimer]

I also don't see the Blazers trading Simons for Brown.

aaaand...Blazers right back to the point of not trading CJ for PG13 or Butler...great

 

[wizenheimer]

Not true. There is a lot of uncertainty with the pick right now. Come draft day there will be more certainty with where the pick lies and who is available. It’s a lot easier to justify trading Grant for an actual player versus a chance at 5-14.

would have the month between the lottery and the draft to leverage a deal

 

[Chris Craig]

aaaand...Blazers right back to the point of not trading CJ for PG13 or Butler...great

Well, the Blazers are going to Blazer

 

[B-Roy]

would have the month between the lottery and the draft to leverage a deal

If it happens I expect it to happen on draft day if a player Detroit is targeting is available at the pick. Right now we hold 8 and 9, so that’s pretty nice for targeting someone specific who drops.

 

[Hoopguru]

Okay, given what has transpired during the trade deadline, what do you guys think is the most realistic/likely option that Joe is hunting for this off-season? Of course someone will flame out of the playoffs and a player originally thought of as untouchable may shake free, but as it stands I think we can be hoping for something like this (operating as an above the cap team):

1. Pray to god the Pelicans pick conveys.
2. Trade the worse of the Pelicans/our pick for Grant. Try to use Bledsoe as matching salary, but Detroit probably asks for the TPE. I'm not super high on Grant, but Joe seems to have an attachment to him, and he would be somewhat of a goodwill gesture to Dame.
3. Re-sign Nurkic to a team friendly 16M/Year contract. (14/15/17/18, Last year TO)
4. Re-sign Ant (after everyone else has signed) to a 4 year 90M contract. This is A LOT of money, so hopefully he lives up to it. (This is what Mikal Bridges got, 22.75M / Year)
5. Pick up Josh Hart's option.
6. Full MLE for Kyle Anderson.
7. Re-sign McLemore to a 3M/Year contract.
8. Sign Trendon Watford to a cheap team friendly contract.
9. Use our own lottery pick on a Chauncey type player.

If we still have the 20M TPE, carry that into the season and try to do something with it.

Dame/Hart/Johnson
Ant/Hart/McLemore
Nas/Anderson/Lottery pick? (Keegan Murray?)
Grant/Winslow/Brown
Nurkic/Watford/Vet Min Center?

It's not great, but it's definitely a team that's more suited to ChaunceyBall™. There is also a lot of flexibility with those contracts (and maybe the TPE) so we can do some maneuvering throughout the season.

Ive seen several times that Joe is attached to Grant? Do you happen to know where and/or when he eluded to this? Thanks,

 

[Hoopguru]

aaaand...Blazers right back to the point of not trading CJ for PG13 or Butler...great

If the Celts offered Brown to us, you get him.

 

[wizenheimer]

If it happens I expect it to happen on draft day if a player Detroit is targeting is available at the pick. Right now we hold 8 and 9, so that’s pretty nice for targeting someone specific who drops.

things could change dramatically if by some stretch of probabilities, the Blazer pick end up in the top 4. A lot more leverage with #2 & #9, than with #9 & #13

 

[B-Roy]

things could change dramatically if by some stretch of probabilities, the Blazer pick end up in the top 4. A lot more leverage with #2 & #9, than with #9 & #13

Well a top 4 pick changes the entire trajectory of the team.

 

[wizenheimer]

Well a top 4 pick changes the entire trajectory of the team.

yeah, it really could. I'd wonder if the Blazers would keep it and use it to draft a player instead of trading it. Simons + #3 pick might very well be enough to get Brown

 

[B-Roy]

yeah, it really could. I'd wonder if the Blazers would keep it and use it to draft a player instead of trading it. Simons + #3 pick might very well be enough to get Brown

If Simons and 3 is on the table for Brown and it doesn’t happen, then I give up on this team.

 

[Wade Garrett]

My biggest concern for the off season is Damian Lillard.
Is he really a Chauncey-type player?
Will he be willing to sacrifice his personal numbers for the betterment of the team?
I ask because if Joe is building the team I think he is (think 2004 Pistons) than for maximum TEAM effectiveness I would see our leading scorer (Dame) averaging about 19-23 ppg, on a team who's identity will be ball sharing and in your face defense.
Not exactly Lillard characteristics.

 

[wizenheimer]

My biggest concern for the off season is Damian Lillard.
Is he really a Chauncey-type player?
Will he be willing to sacrifice his personal numbers for the betterment of the team?
I ask because if Joe is building the team I think he is (think 2004 Pistons) than for maximum TEAM effectiveness I would see our leading scorer (Dame) averaging about 19-23 ppg, on a team who's identity will be ball sharing and in your face defense.
Not exactly Lillard characteristics.

I think all that would be necessary is for Dame to be coach-able, which he is, and Billups to be adaptable, which is unknown

by the way, I don't believe Dame averaging 19 points a game would make for the best Blazer team. The previous 2 seasons he posted a TS% of .625, and that's with him having assisted FG rates of 18% and 27%. Portland won't have anybody else at that level of efficiency. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to give those opportunities to less efficient players. Not unless they ratchet down his average minutes to the 3o-32 range

 

[Wizard Mentor]

My biggest concern for the off season is Damian Lillard.
Is he really a Chauncey-type player?
Will he be willing to sacrifice his personal numbers for the betterment of the team?
I ask because if Joe is building the team I think he is (think 2004 Pistons) than for maximum TEAM effectiveness I would see our leading scorer (Dame) averaging about 19-23 ppg, on a team who's identity will be ball sharing and in your face defense.
Not exactly Lillard characteristics.

His willingness or ability to play defense is much more of a concerns that those things you listed. However, I do agree with you that there is at least some cause for concern.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Our picks and Nurk for Davis would be ideal