What is the ideal off-season?

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B-Roy said:
Okay, given what has transpired during the trade deadline, what do you guys think is the most realistic/likely option that Joe is hunting for this off-season? Of course someone will flame out of the playoffs and a player originally thought of as untouchable may shake free, but as it stands I think we can be hoping for something like this (operating as an above the cap team):

1. Pray to god the Pelicans pick conveys.
2. Trade the worse of the Pelicans/our pick for Grant. Try to use Bledsoe as matching salary, but Detroit probably asks for the TPE. I'm not super high on Grant, but Joe seems to have an attachment to him, and he would be somewhat of a goodwill gesture to Dame.
3. Re-sign Nurkic to a team friendly 16M/Year contract. (14/15/17/18, Last year TO)
4. Re-sign Ant (after everyone else has signed) to a 4 year 90M contract. This is A LOT of money, so hopefully he lives up to it. (This is what Mikal Bridges got, 22.75M / Year)
5. Pick up Josh Hart's option.
6. Full MLE for Kyle Anderson.
7. Re-sign McLemore to a 3M/Year contract.
8. Sign Trendon Watford to a cheap team friendly contract.
9. Use our own lottery pick on a Chauncey type player.

If we still have the 20M TPE, carry that into the season and try to do something with it.

Dame/Hart/Johnson
Ant/Hart/McLemore
Nas/Anderson/Lottery pick? (Keegan Murray?)
Grant/Winslow/Brown
Nurkic/Watford/Vet Min Center?

It's not great, but it's definitely a team that's more suited to ChaunceyBall™. There is also a lot of flexibility with those contracts (and maybe the TPE) so we can do some maneuvering throughout the season.
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Bridges is a 2 way player and Simons haven't got there yet.
 
I think Dame biggest issue is trusting his team mates. I think him see what these guys can do without him and CJ probably trust factor will probably go up a lot. Dame always good but the best I seen him play overall when CJ and Nurk was out last year his scoring was good but assist went up also that time frame. Yes he will to buy in on the defense side to able to reach a team goal.
 
Am I the only one not worried about Dame's place on this team?

He's a mature leader who has always recognized even when he was a star that he could and needed to add things to his game and has done it. I think he's opening to advice and even criticism from people like Chauncey. I am sure playing through this injury has taught him about pacing himself, not always needing to be the hero.

Yes, he's a chief competitor, but I don't believe he's a stupid one like Westbrook or a selfish one like I think Brandon Roy became when he pouted about having to share the ball with Andre Miller when it would have helped his game and maybe even have extended his career.

Dame not only will adjust to the system Chauncey uses and the players around him, he'll accentuate it.
 
PCmor7 said:
Am I the only one not worried about Dame's place on this team?

He's a mature leader who has always recognized even when he was a star that he could and needed to add things to his game and has done it. I think he's opening to advice and even criticism from people like Chauncey. I am sure playing through this injury has taught him about pacing himself, not always needing to be the hero.

Yes, he's a chief competitor, but I don't believe he's a stupid one like Westbrook or a selfish one like I think Brandon Roy became when he pouted about having to share the ball with Andre Miller when it would have helped his game and maybe even have extended his career.

Dame not only will adjust to the system Chauncey uses and the players around him, he'll accentuate it.
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I hope you are right.
I love Dame, but there is no denying he does have a little "I gotta get mine" to his offensive game.
Perhaps that's come from not totally trusting his past teammates (roco, harkless, amino, etc;
I am seeing guys like Hart and Winslow being more trustable to make the right plays, in the correct manner. Hopefully, Dame will too.
 
Just a quick overview…

Draft:
Chet Holmgren
Johnny Davis/AJ Griffin/Walker Kessler

FA:
Re-Sign Anfernee Simons
Re-Sign Josh Hart
Partial(?) MLE: Mo Bamba
Sign: Trendon Watford

Trade Targets:
Vet PF upgrade
Backup PG
 
Wade Garrett said:
I hope you are right.
I love Dame, but there is no denying he does have a little "I gotta get mine" to his offensive game.
Perhaps that's come from not totally trusting his past teammates (roco, harkless, amino, etc;
I am seeing guys like Hart and Winslow being more trustable to make the right plays, in the correct manner. Hopefully, Dame will too.
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Most great players have that assertiveness, but Dame's not that kind of ballhog. He's not that prideful. He'll be fine.
 
I still think the best move is trade Dame and hand the reigns to Simons.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I still think the best move is trade Dame and hand the reigns to Simons.
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Probably. But I still don't want to do it.
Much like Clyde, I doubt the Blazers would send him somewhere he would not like going to. Which would narrow our options.
My guess is they will at least wait until the trade deadline to see how it is working out.
 
Hoopguru said:
Ive seen several times that Joe is attached to Grant? Do you happen to know where and/or when he eluded to this? Thanks,
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I wonder if this was ever true? When an agent or team wants to drive up value, they usually say Blazers are interested, because it seems like Blazers have a policy of never denying rumors.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Probably. But I still don't want to do it.
Much like Clyde, I doubt the Blazers would send him somewhere he would not like going to. Which would narrow our options.
My guess is they will at least wait until the trade deadline to see how it is working out.
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It's just funny/sad because Simons is essentially pulling a Dame and hurting our chances at a lottery pick. Dame did the same thing the year after LMA left.
 
Blazers figure to be in the market for a backup C. As much as everyone wants Mo Bamba, I have a suspicion Robin Lopez could end up back with the team. He won't command much money, he has a little bit left in the tank, he fits the community, his game is like Nurk-lite, he fits the culture.
 
Ideal is subjective.

My ideal offseason would be 1 of 2 options:

Option 1
Secure both lottery picks. Take the BPA with both picks.

Trade Dame for another young building block.

Roll with Simons/Nas/picks and maybe Hart.

Option 2
Trade Ant and pick for star caliber small forward
Trade pick/filler for one of Grant/Collins/Randle

Dame
Hart
(young star SF)
Grant/Collins/Randle
Nurk
 
PCmor7 said:
Blazers figure to be in the market for a backup C. As much as everyone wants Mo Bamba, I have a suspicion Robin Lopez could end up back with the team. He won't command much money, he has a little bit left in the tank, he fits the community, his game is like Nurk-lite, he fits the culture.
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I mean, Freedom and Whiteside were available for the minimum last year.

I don't know I would sign someone for much more than that. Could probably even resign Mr. Glass (Zeller) for the same.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Ideal is subjective.

My ideal offseason would be 1 of 2 options:

Option 1
Secure both lottery picks. Take the BPA with both picks.

Trade Dame for another young building block.

Roll with Simons/Nas/picks and maybe Hart.

Option 2
Trade Ant and pick for star caliber small forward
Trade pick/filler for one of Grant/Collins/Randle

Dame
Hart
(young star SF)
Grant/Collins/Randle
Nurk
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Yeah, I just cannot comprehend why after these last six years, anyone would think that Dame and Ant would make a good back court... it's just not the case. The only reason why Ant hasn't looked like a complete mess at all times on defense is because he is covered by every other guy playing. We always needed someone like Hart next to Dame, we definitely don't need someone like Ant next to him. So I would go with Option 2 but I can see the logic in option 1. I won't be furious if the team decides to go either of those two ways. I will also give the team until the trade deadline to move Ant or Dame if it takes that long for this reality to sink in but after that unless I'm extremely surprised by some Dame/Ant synergy, I will be furious if we're wasting the rest of Dame's prime and then his declining but still all star level years on Dame/CJ 2.0.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
I mean, Freedom and Whiteside were available for the minimum last year.

I don't know I would sign someone for much more than that. Could probably even resign Mr. Glass (Zeller) for the same.
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Freedom had success here to some extent but doesn't really seem to me like a fit under Chauncey. Whiteside's already kind of shown this organization he's not a fit.

I think RoLo probably would be. Big bodied screen setter, defender and rebounder. He wouldn't be my first choice of target -- that probably would be Hartenstein unless someone else comes on the market -- I'm just saying I could definitely see him being the guy the Blazers turn to if they keep Nurk.
 
If Brooklyn gets bounced embarrassingly, it's definitely possible that Ben Simmons is scapegoated and he could be on the move.

How do I know he'd be a great fit for the Blazers? Because of Justice Winslow.

Getting Grant to Brooklyn with one or two lotto picks for Ben Simmons while Brooklyn gives up a late pick or two they got from Philly to Detroit could be enough.
 
PCmor7 said:
Freedom had success here to some extent but doesn't really seem to me like a fit under Chauncey. Whiteside's already kind of shown this organization he's not a fit.

I think RoLo probably would be. Big bodied screen setter, defender and rebounder. He wouldn't be my first choice of target -- that probably would be Hartenstein unless someone else comes on the market -- I'm just saying I could definitely see him being the guy the Blazers turn to if they keep Nurk.
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Another possible backup C would be Dewayne Dedmon. He's a 7 footer who can catch lobs and shoot 3-pointers. He's playing for Miami this season and has started 15 games.
Here are highlights from one of his starts
 
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wizenheimer said:
aaaand...Blazers right back to the point of not trading CJ for PG13 or Butler...great
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Simons is not CJ he's already a better all around player and 22 CJ had reached his peak by that point. Is Brown as good as Butler/PG13? Serious question.

I would consider this trade as Brown is very good and we need to even out the team and Hart is fine as a SG. That said Simons is already better than CJ and has almost unlimited potential. People need to stop pretending they are carbon copies. They aren’t. I never ever thought CJ would be a star. Simons could reach perennial all star scoring champion status. Will he? That remains to be seen, but he’s already a better all around player than CJ. We have never seen Ant next to Dame for extended minutes since Ant’s emergence. Cronin kept the right guard zero doubt in my mind.
 
PCmor7 said:
Blazers figure to be in the market for a backup C. As much as everyone wants Mo Bamba, I have a suspicion Robin Lopez could end up back with the team. He won't command much money, he has a little bit left in the tank, he fits the community, his game is like Nurk-lite, he fits the culture.
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it’ll be deandre Jordan I would put money on it if I cared enough lol.
 
Idog1976 said:
Simons is not CJ he's already a better all around player and 22 CJ had reached his peak by that point. Is Brown as good as Butler/PG13? Serious question.

I would consider this trade as Brown is very good and we need to even out the team and Hart is fine as a SG. That said Simons is already better than CJ and has almost unlimited potential. People need to stop pretending they are carbon copies. They aren’t. I never ever thought CJ would be a star. Simons could reach perennial all star scoring champion status. Will he? That remains to be seen, but he’s already a better all around player than CJ. We have never seen Ant next to Dame for extended minutes since Ant’s emergence. Cronin kept the right guard zero doubt in my mind.
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did I say they were carbon copies? no, and that wasn't my point at all

the comparison was to overvaluing a lesser player over a proven elite player (CJ over PG13 & Butler). And in this case, actually overvaluing Simons over two proven players: Dame & Brown, because that might be the combo Portland could have if they didn't cling to Simons like he was all-pro. Right now Simons has established some things but a lot of the bet is on his potential upside. And a big portion of that upside is still 'maybe' rather than certain

I don't know whether anybody else noticed that when Simons was incredibly hot and got everybody excited, CJ was out. Once CJ came back Simons 'cooled off' dramatically. That 9 game hot streak was followed by a 1o game stretch where Simons was not hot anymore, in either his overall shooting, or his playmaking. Then CJ gets trade and Simons has 2 hot games again

now it just could be coincidence, but it sure kind of looks like Ant doesn't play well if he has to share the stage with somebody who commands touches, shots, and usage. And that may be the case if he was sharing it with a player like Dame or a player like Brown

all I suggested was that Ant + lottery pick + filler might be enough to get Brown. Probably not, but at least we know that Dame can share the stage
 
illmatic99 said:
am i alone in thinking that's an overpay for Brown?
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No, you are not alone. Granted I need to see more film on who could be there at #3, but I would think it would be someone pretty good at PF.
The only debate is that Brown would speed the process up vs a rookie. (for Dame's sake)

But I would rather have
Dame, Simons, Hart, Little, and a rookie PF
then
Dame, Brown, Hart, and Little

But it is close
 
Pinwheel1 said:
No, you are not alone. Granted I need to see more film on who could be there at #3, but I would think it would be someone pretty good at PF.
The only debate is that Brown would speed things up vs a rookie. (for Dame's sake)

But I would rather have
Dame, Simons, Hart, Little, and a rookie PF
then
Dame, Brown, Hart, and Little
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Ant has shown far more chops as a playmaker in the P&R than CJ ever did. (Perhaps the stats don't show this, but my eye test certainly did). I think Ant is a much more willing passer and does a terrific job of reading backline defenses and his playmaking is closer to Dame's level than it is CJ's level.

I've been on this trip for a while in a potential Dame-Ant backcourt to get a second P&R partner for Ant if Dame is paired with Nurk. A respectable shooter for a pick and pop threat or as a roller to put on the other wing when Dame-Nurk cook defenses on one wing. John Collins would be incredible in this role.
 
illmatic99 said:
am i alone in thinking that's an overpay for Brown?
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Ant + top-4 pick? maybe an overpay. Ant + #9? probably not. Boston would likely have the opposite view. They've only seen Ant in one game this year and he didn't play that well.

an issue may be what else the Blazers would have to add because Ant in a S&T would be BYC and the Blazers would have to deal with a sizable salary differential
 
wizenheimer said:
Ant + top-4 pick? maybe an overpay. Ant + #9? probably not. Boston would likely have the opposite view. They've only seen Ant in one game this year and he didn't play that well.

an issue may be what else the Blazers would have to add because Ant in a S&T would be BYC and the Blazers would have to deal with a sizable salary differential
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the post i responded to was Ant + #3 for Brown. Disregarding cap mechanics.

But in a vacuum, I think that's insane value to give up for a guy who is a clearcut #2 on a good team.
 
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