What is the ideal off-season?

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This will not be popular, but I'd like to see the blazers get a big haul for dame. Start hart and simons.
 
blazerfan11 said:
With those players I would just keep Winslow at PF. He's doing a fantastic job of defending and being a facilitator on offense. "Hockey assists" from Simons to Winslow to player #3 are part of our offense now.
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blazerfan11 said:
One thing I think that we are overlooking, is that Josh Hart cannot be a fill in at point guard, like Simons or even McCollum and Powell. We're lucky this season to have had both Lillard and Simons. If we trade one of them, and the remaining guy gets injured, our season is over.
For that reason, I think it would be safer to keep both of them for a season and see how it works out. Josh Hart can get some minutes at Small Forward (but should be a starter at SG). It's conceivable that a lineup with Lillard and Simons and Hart could be effective at times. PG and shooting guard would be covered, and there are several guys who could play SF, Little, Hart, Elleby, and Winslow. Winslow and Watford can cover PF. We really need a good backup C. Watford is OK, but rebounding falls off quite a bit when Nurkic is out and Watford plays C.
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I agree with both of these. What we gain on offense from trading for a PF might be lost with what Winslow provides on the defensive end. He can guard both physical PFs and stretch 4's. We still look to try to upgrade that position, but maybe if we get lucky in the draft that will be enough. I really like the ball-handling skills that both Winslow and Watford provide. It is a huge part of their improved ball movement right now.

And yes I have been thinking along the same lines with Lillard and Simons. The depth is nice to have. We need to see if it can work first before we trade one of them.
 
LayneStaley said:
I agree, a Brown package would be the best. However, with AD’s value down I wonder what Lebron would be willing to give up for Dame. I mean if LAL miss the playoffs and with the emergence of Ant would we really turn down a package of AD and a lottery pick? Davis is 4 years younger and when he plays motivated is unstoppable. Could Billups get that out of him? Having AD and 3 lotto picks(potentially), TPE, and MLE would be insane.
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1st thing is the Lakers don't have a 1st round pick to trade till 2026

2nd thing is Dame is not 4 years older than Davis, he's less than 3 years older, and by 4 months. Davis will turn 29 in 4 weeks. Dame is 31

3rd thing is, and I know this seems ironic with Dame out right now, is that AD is made of glass. Dame isn't
 
HailBlazers said:
We need an acceptable or reasonable offseason thread cus this one is off the rails.
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sure...because a new one is sure to stay on the rails. Maybe it would if I'd stop posting but fat chance

besides that, threads at S2 are not trains that stay on track. They are off road trucks running full throttle thru the wilderness, at night, while the driver snorts crank and chugs Red Bull and Long Island Iced Teas...doubles for both
 
wizenheimer said:
1st thing is the Lakers don't have a 1st round pick to trade till 2026

2nd thing is Dame is not 4 years older than Davis, he's less than 3 years older, and by 4 months. Davis will turn 29 in 4 weeks. Dame is 31

3rd thing is, and I know this seems ironic with Dame out right now, is that AD is made of glass. Dame isn't
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Lakers can't traded the 2026 pick because Pelicans could have their 2025 pick. In the summer the Lakers can trade any of their 2027 2028 2029 picks. So they could trade 2027 and 2029.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Lakers can't traded the 2026 pick because Pelicans could have their 2025 pick. In the summer the Lakers can trade any of their 2027 2028 2029 picks. So they could trade 2027 and 2029.
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you're right...I didn't read the protections close enough
 
First I don't think it makes sense to trade Dame until we see him back on the court. He won't have max trade value until he has proven he has regained his old form either, so to maximize the return we have to keep him. That gives us a chance to also see how Ant has improved and how they play together.

Secondly, I wouldn't totally write off the Dame and Ant duo succeeding. Could Ant improve as a defender? Could Dame minutes go down to closer to 30mpg? Could they be staggered effectively? Could Dame lesser workload improve his defensive effort? Could Chauncey create better schemes with more time? Maybe the answer to most of these is no, but maybe there are a few yes'. Time will tell.

Remember, the 2017-18 Blazers with DameCJ had the 8th ranked defense in the NBA. That was the best Blazer defense since 1999. The rest of the roster has to be constructed strategically though, and not with Melo/Kanter role players, or a 6'3" small forward. Hart, Nurkic, NAS, Winslow are a good start.

It is a huge advantage on offense to have Dame and if he keeps it up Ant's contributions. That frees up the team to have forwards that are excellent defenders without needing to carry a huge offensive burden. If Dame or Ant is gone, we have to get a forward that is a star offensively to contend, we also need another guard to help Dame or Ant create. But with both of them we only need forwards who aren't an offensive liability.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't know who I forgot. If you're saying McLemore we just have too many young guys on the team for him to have a roster spot. We already have Keon, Elijah and Didi that we will either have under contract or the right to match, plus in this scenario we would be keeping Hart. So I don't think we'd be bringing back Ben.
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Nope. I'll give you a hint. His initials are same as a guy we recently traded.
 
One thing about Ant is he’s still young enough to where Billups can kind of mold him into a two way player. We saw last night how he didn’t take Ant off Jrue, just threw him into the fire and let him figure it out. That’s the only way he’s gonna develop. And he has the want to. Would not be surprised if he turned into an above average defender. Would make the pairing with Dame work because they compliment each other very well on the other end.
 
Scalma said:
One thing about Ant is he’s still young enough to where Billups can kind of mold him into a two way player. We saw last night how he didn’t take Ant off Jrue, just threw him into the fire and let him figure it out. That’s the only way he’s gonna develop. And he has the want to. Would not be surprised if he turned into an above average defender. Would make the pairing with Dame work because they compliment each other very well on the other end.
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Coach said just that in his postgame interview.
 
Scalma said:
One thing about Ant is he’s still young enough to where Billups can kind of mold him into a two way player. We saw last night how he didn’t take Ant off Jrue, just threw him into the fire and let him figure it out. That’s the only way he’s gonna develop. And he has the want to. Would not be surprised if he turned into an above average defender. Would make the pairing with Dame work because they compliment each other very well on the other end.
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I agree that he is young enough that Chauncey can hopefully mold him. Even if he is a better defender, I still think he's undersized for a shooting guard and will struggle if paired next to Dame.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I agree that he is young enough that Chauncey can hopefully mold him. Even if he is a better defender, I still think he's undersized for a shooting guard and will struggle if paired next to Dame.
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I'd like to see Nas, Dame, Ant, Winslow, Nurk.
 
Scalma said:
I think Winslow is good enough on paper to start, but we cant depend on him to stay healthy for a full season. We should probably look for another four and have Winslow come off the bench.
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Yeah, if we could get an upgrade at the 4, that lineup, with Hart and Winslow off the bench is a solid top 7.
 
illmatic99 said:
You're gonna see some ridiculous contracts this summer.

Beal will get 5 yrs, 250.
Harden will get 5 yrs, 270.

Dame's 2 yr extension of ~107 mil will bring him to approx 5 yrs, 240.

It's in line with the market rate.
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After a surgery to correct a health issue that has hampered him for, what, 4 years? I'm sorry, but it's simply unwise to extend prior to demonstrating full recovery.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
After a surgery to correct a health issue that has hampered him for, what, 4 years? I'm sorry, but it's simply unwise to extend prior to demonstrating full recovery.
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i don't see any scenario where we he is willing to stay without the extension.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
After a surgery to correct a health issue that has hampered him for, what, 4 years? I'm sorry, but it's simply unwise to extend prior to demonstrating full recovery.
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How serious of an injury is it if he was able to play through it for four years? Has it ended anyones career?
 
illmatic99 said:
i don't see any scenario where he is willing to stay without the extension.
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I have difficulty with the notion that Dame is so insecure in his position vis-a-vis the Blazers that he would ask out with 3 years left on his deal if he didn't get an extra 2 added on.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I have difficulty with the notion that Dame is so insecure in his position vis-a-vis the Blazers that he would ask out with 3 years left on his deal if he didn't get an extra 2 added on.
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i look at the contract as a way to incentivize him to bear with and support the rebuild.

We also don't need anymore noise/drama about him leaving this year while recruiting MLE-caliber FAs.
 
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