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Theres nobody in this summers FA class that fits what we need and has the traits Billups loves more than Ingles. I'd give him 10-11M on a one year deal, maybe with a club option. If nothing else its a contract to help match a larger salary in a trade, something we really dont have. Outside of Hart (or Simons depending on how u wanna look at it) I dont think we project to have any bench player making more than 5m.

Dame
Simons
Nas
Grant (I just assume were gonna go after him again)
Nurk

Simons
Hart
Ingles
Winslow
Watford/Jordan
 
PtldPlatypus said:
After a surgery to correct a health issue that has hampered him for, what, 4 years? I'm sorry, but it's simply unwise to extend prior to demonstrating full recovery.
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portland has 3 off-season to do that extension. Doesn't have to be this summer
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Looking through he UFAs on that list, TJ Warren, Chris Boucher, and Thomas Bryant all interest me.
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Yeah TJ Warren is at the top of my list of free agents. He also hasn't played basketball in 2 years, so shows how worthless building a contender through free agency has become.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Yeah TJ Warren is at the top of my list of free agents. He also hasn't played basketball in 2 years, so shows how worthless building a contender through free agency has become.
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Yep--build through the draft, balance through trades, and add support through free agency.
 
Scalma said:
Theres nobody in this summers FA class that fits what we need and has the traits Billups loves more than Ingles. I'd give him 10-11M on a one year deal, maybe with a club option. If nothing else its a contract to help match a larger salary in a trade, something we really dont have. Outside of Hart (or Simons depending on how u wanna look at it) I dont think we project to have any bench player making more than 5m.

Dame
Simons
Nas
Grant (I just assume were gonna go after him again)
Nurk

Simons
Hart
Ingles
Winslow
Watford/Jordan
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No, don't give Ingels that much at the start of free agency. Hell he might even sign at the minimum to keep his bird rights.

If Ingels wants the max possible from the Blazers he needs to wait until all major transactions and trades are done in free agency. We might be able to put him into a sign and trade that brings back a starter. Or we might want to use the full non tax MLE, which would hard cap us. If hard capped and we bring in someone on the TPE then Ingels on a $10 million contract could be a problem.

But if we don't use the non tax MLE, nor need Ingels in a sign and trade, then maybe we can give him $10 million on a one year deal with non guaranteed second year, so he either contributes on the court or we flip him in a trade. So we could end up where you said, giving him that deal, but it should only be one scenario and not done until all superior options are off the table.
 
Scalma said:
Theres nobody in this summers FA class that fits what we need and has the traits Billups loves more than Ingles. I'd give him 10-11M on a one year deal, maybe with a club option. If nothing else its a contract to help match a larger salary in a trade, something we really dont have. Outside of Hart (or Simons depending on how u wanna look at it) I dont think we project to have any bench player making more than 5m.

Dame
Simons
Nas
Grant (I just assume were gonna go after him again)
Nurk

Simons
Hart
Ingles
Winslow
Watford/Jordan
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I’m gonna assume you didn’t watch Ingles play this year.
 
Scalma said:
Theres nobody in this summers FA class that fits what we need and has the traits Billups loves more than Ingles. I'd give him 10-11M on a one year deal, maybe with a club option. If nothing else its a contract to help match a larger salary in a trade, something we really dont have. Outside of Hart (or Simons depending on how u wanna look at it) I dont think we project to have any bench player making more than 5m.

Dame
Simons
Nas
Grant (I just assume were gonna go after him again)
Nurk

Simons
Hart
Ingles
Winslow
Watford/Jordan
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I agree on Ingles. I think you set him up with the Rodney Hood contract. Is he worth 10 million? No. But if he's worth a minimum, and could contribute, I'm ok with overpaying to have a big tradeable salary on the books. It sets us up for deadline deals, potentially. If not, assuming a big deal to SImons and Nurk, we don't really have any good tradeable contracts.
 
Freshtown said:
I’m gonna assume you didn’t watch Ingles play this year.
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Yeah, that was my impression from my Jazz fan friends. Even before the injury, they were complaining that he was not playing well.
(Despite the stats)
 
RR7 said:
I agree on Ingles. I think you set him up with the Rodney Hood contract. Is he worth 10 million? No. But if he's worth a minimum, and could contribute, I'm ok with overpaying to have a big tradeable salary on the books. It sets us up for deadline deals, potentially. If not, assuming a big deal to SImons and Nurk, we don't really have any good tradeable contracts.
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he might not be ready to play until after the deadline next season. isn't the recovery time for an ACL at least a yr, and he's not even had surgery yet
 
Freshtown said:
I’m gonna assume you didn’t watch Ingles play this year.
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i have and I’ve already mentioned this to you specifically. If you wanna ignore it whatever

Scalma said:
his numbers this season were good until he started playing thru a sprained ankle in January.

Oct/Nov: 37.5% from three
December: 37.9%
January: 19.6%

That’s so drastic you almost have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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BonesJones said:
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Wut
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I would draft Banchero and even guys a few slots below that over Holmgren. He's massively overrated. The one thing I like about him is his length and shooting. I just don't see him being fast or strong enough to compete in the NBA at a high level. He may become a decent starter because of the length and shooting ala Porzingis, but I see him capping out there. There are other guys that at least have the tools to potentially become elite in the NBA. I'm sure you disagree and that's your prerogative, but you asked why I think that and that's why.

I always prefer length (he has this which is why I don't think he will be a bust) and athleticism over just about anything because if it develops you get a Giannis or Gobert type player. If they lack the tools then it's very hard to become elite. Almost all elite NBA players have extreme athleticism and very often length. There are high-skill players like Jokic and Doncic who surpass their toolset, but they are rare.

I also recognize that athleticism isn't everything every year you have wash outs like Thomas Robinsion, I just would say when you look at the top 20-40 NBA players most of them are extreme athletes and or have real length for their positions, much rarer are guys who succeed because of extreme skills despite not being utterly elite athleticly Curry, Doncic etc. I could be wrong about Holmgren, but I just don't see that guy becoming an All-Star let alone absurd calls like DPOY.
 
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The ideal off-season is enjoying some beer in a bar after attending the championship parade. Should I already claim my spot on the parade route?
 
If we fall out of the top-3 I’d package this pick for Jaren Jackson Jr — he’d flourish in this Billups Ball system
 
Idog1976 said:
I would draft Banchero and even guys a few slots below that over Holmgren. He's massively overrated. The one thing I like about him is his length and shooting. I just don't see him being fast or strong enough to compete in the NBA at a high level. He may become a decent starter because of the length and shooting ala Porzingis, but I see him capping out there. There are other guys that at least have the tools to potentially become elite in the NBA. I'm sure you disagree and that's your prerogative, but you asked why I think that and that's why.

I always prefer length (he has this which is why I don't think he will be abust) and athleticism over just about anything because if it develops you get a Giannis or Gobert type player. If they lack the tools then it's VERY hard to become elite. Almost all elite NBA players have EXTREME athleticism and very often length. There are high-skill players like Jokic and Doncic who surpass their toolset, but they are rare. I also recognize that athleticism isn't everything every year you have wash outs like Thomas Robinsion, I just would say when you look at the top 20-40 NBA players most of them are extreme athletes and or have real length for their positions, much rarer are guys who succeed because of extreme skills despite not being utterly elite athleticly Curry, Doncic etc. I could be wrong about Holmgren, but I just don't see that guy becoming an All-Star let alone absurd calls like DPOY.
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https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dragan-bender/
 
Idog1976 said:
I would draft Banchero and even guys a few slots below that over Holmgren. He's massively overrated. The one thing I like about him is his length and shooting. I just don't see him being fast or strong enough to compete in the NBA at a high level. He may become a decent starter because of the length and shooting ala Porzingis, but I see him capping out there. There are other guys that at least have the tools to potentially become elite in the NBA. I'm sure you disagree and that's your prerogative, but you asked why I think that and that's why.

I always prefer length (he has this which is why I don't think he will be abust) and athleticism over just about anything because if it develops you get a Giannis or Gobert type player. If they lack the tools then it's VERY hard to become elite. Almost all elite NBA players have EXTREME athleticism and very often length. There are high-skill players like Jokic and Doncic who surpass their toolset, but they are rare. I also recognize that athleticism isn't everything every year you have wash outs like Thomas Robinsion, I just would say when you look at the top 20-40 NBA players most of them are extreme athletes and or have real length for their positions, much rarer are guys who succeed because of extreme skills despite not being utterly elite athleticly Curry, Doncic etc. I could be wrong about Holmgren, but I just don't see that guy becoming an All-Star let alone absurd calls like DPOY.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you think Holmgren doesn’t have a DPOY ceiling you don’t know anything about basketball. There’s my opinion.
 
Scalma said:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you think Holmgren doesn’t have a DPOY ceiling you don’t know anything about basketball. There’s my opinion.
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If you think he does have that potential in the modern NBA you don't understand anything about athletics let alone Basketball. That's my opinion.:huh: :ghoti:

You always have the option to state your opinion without the attitude or at least most mature adults can.
 
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wizenheimer said:
portland has 3 off-season to do that extension. Doesn't have to be this summer
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I agree, his current contract has 3 more years after this at an avg of 45 mil per - why the heck do we need to extend him this summer? he will be 32 this July, so 35 when this current contract expires - I suggest wait and see how he ages assuming we keep him.
 
Idog1976 said:
I would draft Banchero and even guys a few slots below that over Holmgren. He's massively overrated. The one thing I like about him is his length and shooting. I just don't see him being fast or strong enough to compete in the NBA at a high level. He may become a decent starter because of the length and shooting ala Porzingis, but I see him capping out there. There are other guys that at least have the tools to potentially become elite in the NBA. I'm sure you disagree and that's your prerogative, but you asked why I think that and that's why.

I always prefer length (he has this which is why I don't think he will be a bust) and athleticism over just about anything because if it develops you get a Giannis or Gobert type player. If they lack the tools then it's very hard to become elite. Almost all elite NBA players have extreme athleticism and very often length. There are high-skill players like Jokic and Doncic who surpass their toolset, but they are rare.

I also recognize that athleticism isn't everything every year you have wash outs like Thomas Robinsion, I just would say when you look at the top 20-40 NBA players most of them are extreme athletes and or have real length for their positions, much rarer are guys who succeed because of extreme skills despite not being utterly elite athleticly Curry, Doncic etc. I could be wrong about Holmgren, but I just don't see that guy becoming an All-Star let alone absurd calls like DPOY.
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Yeah, the 7'1 big shooting almost 50% from three and 75% from two and can guard out on the perimeter, block shots at an elite level, has great defensive instincts, and handle/pass the ball like a guard is overrated. You're talking about how elite players need elite athleticism but were talking about a 7'1 big. Embiid isn't athletic. Jokic isn't athletic. Towns isn't particularly athletic. Gobert isn't either. Knocking a 7'1 big when he's not an elite athlete and ignoring everything else is super silly to me. Thing is, Jabari Smith isn't particularly athletic either. And he has less length. So I assume you have him below Chet?
 
Idog1976 said:
If you think he does have that potential in the modern NBA you don't understand anything about athletics let alone Basketball. That's my opinion.:huh: :ghoti:

You always have the option to state your opinion without the attitude or at least most mature adults can.
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Yeah, the "modern" NBA where Rudy Gobert keeps running away with DPOY awards...
 
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