What is the ideal off-season?

[Natebishop3]

i think Thibs wears on his players by year 2/3. And expectations way too high.

Plus Randle's shot went back into the tank.

I kinda wonder if their flop in the playoffs really got to him. They're trying to use him as a #1 and the guy just isn't a #1.

 

[Pinwheel1]

My concern with Randle..... what happened?

I don't follow the Knicks. I know that relationship has soured considerably..... but why?

One thing that happened is he went from 41% from three to 31 % from last year. That is a big drop.
Also, your question was which of the 3 fit best with the new system. 4 games is a small sample size but again I think we are all excited about the pace. Can they sustain that? Can you even sustain it in the playoffs? Which of the 3 is best to work with great ball movement. Doesn't JR play best when dominating the ball He is great at creating his own shot though. But Collins is the better jump shooter

 

[wizenheimer]

Which forward would be the best fit under this new system:

Jerami Grant
John Collins
Julius Randle

Collins by a mile

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Collins would be great. What sort of deal would you propose?

Portland sends whatever it takes for Houston to give up Wood, Wood goes to Atlanta, Collins comes here.

 

[Scalma]

Collins would be great. What sort of deal would you propose?

I’d give up a lottery pick for him.

but before going after Collins I’d try and get one of the wolves two PFs, Vanderbilt or McDaniels.

 

[LayneStaley]

Which forward would be the best fit under this new system:

Jerami Grant
John Collins
Julius Randle

Grant, the other two don’t play D. I like Collins the most though.

 

[RR7]

Grant, the other two don’t play D. I like Collins the most though.

That's what I struggle with. Grant is the better defender of the 3 for sure. Collins is the overall better player, youngest, and locked in. I would think Grant fits Chaunceys vision more than Collins. I like his ability to match up and have switchabilty on the wing, alongside Nas and Hart. I don't think Collins offers that, and don't believe Randle does.

 

[Scalma]

That's what I struggle with. Grant is the better defender of the 3 for sure. Collins is the overall better player, youngest, and locked in. I would think Grant fits Chaunceys vision more than Collins. I like his ability to match up and have switchabilty on the wing, alongside Nas and Hart. I don't think Collins offers that, and don't believe Randle does.

Collins has really improved his defense the last year and a half. He completely shut down Randle in the playoffs last year. I think he would be a great add, assuming Atlanta is still open to moving him

 

[SIeepwalker]

My concern with Randle..... what happened?

I don't follow the Knicks. I know that relationship has soured considerably..... but why?

I mean it's the Knicks. DOn't all their player end up hating them ?

 

[RR7]

Collins has really improved his defense the last year and a half. He completely shut down Randle in the playoffs last year. I think he would be a great add, assuming Atlanta is still open to moving him

I just picture Collins as strictly a 4, not likely to cover a kawhi, George type, and I think Grant can do that

 

[LayneStaley]

I think the only 2 worth trading for are Grant or Collins. I think best “fit” is Grant, best upside is definitely Collins. I just feel like Grant would fit in immediately with Chauncey ball. I’d prefer Collins and think he would score more than Grant but overall I think we might be slightly better with Grant. Age and contract might even it out though imo.

 

[Scalma]

I just picture Collins as strictly a 4, not likely to cover a kawhi, George type, and I think Grant can do that

yeah that’s why I wanna target one of those Minnesota forwards. Both are versatile defenders. The idea of giving mcdaniels to Billups is very intriguing to me.

 

[blazerkor]

After looking at the numbers it's so obviously Collins. I wonder if the Hawks would do this if the Pelicans pick lands 5-8. If they wouldn't and we made the playoffs I would even throw in a future lottery protected first.

 

[Scalma]

My guess is we’ll be an over the cap team, this free agent class stinks anyway.

 

[LayneStaley]

Hypothetically…



If that ^ happened I assume we would draft Smith and he would be our starting 4. My question is if we aren’t in the market for a Grant/Collins anymore who do we trade the other pick/TPE for? Or at that point do we just draft BPA? Thoughts?

 

[wizenheimer]

Blazers have TPE's of 21M, 6.6M, and 3.3M. I think those are too valuable to toss away on spec going into a lousy free agent class

 

[blazerkor]

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My guess is we’ll be an over the cap team, this free agent class stinks anyway.

I think the dude you're quoting is wrong and we'll re-sign Nurk as well. Then I think we'll use draft assets and the TPE most likely to get Grant who Cronin was already pursuing. Like you said, that would make us an over the cap team and we would be under the tax so we could use the full MLE. If a bunch of people besides me are right and a Dame/Ant back court would kick ass (which I hope is the case): Dame, Ant, Nas or Hart, Grant, Nurk, Nas or Hart, MLE, Winslow and whoever wins a spot in the rotation between Trendon, GB3, Keon, our second rounder, Elijah, CJE and Didi would be a rotation and roster that could be really competitive and even contend in the playoffs.

 

[illmatic99]

Can anyone figure out a way to land Siakam for our lottery pick(s), while still retaining Ant/Nurk/Hart?

I don't think there's a way...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Can anyone figure out a way to land Siakam for our lottery pick(s), while still retaining Ant/Nurk/Hart?

I don't think there's a way...

It would involve trading Dame.

 

[illmatic99]

It would involve trading Dame.

well ya, without dame being involved.

 

[RR7]

Can anyone figure out a way to land Siakam for our lottery pick(s), while still retaining Ant/Nurk/Hart?

I don't think there's a way...

We do what cleveland and Minnesota did with Wiggins. Guarantee Bledsoe, sign the two picks. Wait 30 days.

 

[Scalma]

Another underrated four, at least on paper: Mike Muscala. Been a plus defender for three seasons now, doesn’t stop the ball, and is a very good shooter. Only scheduled to make 3.5M next season.

 

[illmatic99]

We do what cleveland and Minnesota did with Wiggins. Guarantee Bledsoe, sign the two picks. Wait 30 days.

so we'd have to act like a capspace team? interesting.

Guaranteeing Bledsoe is prolly the hurdle.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I’d give up a lottery pick for him.

but before going after Collins I’d try and get one of the wolves two PFs, Vanderbilt or McDaniels.

Vanderbilt for sure; but the Wolves are really well balanced now, not sure what kind of trade would interest them.

 

[RR7]

so we'd have to act like a capspace team? interesting.

Guaranteeing Bledsoe is prolly the hurdle.

No, would still be an over the cap team. We sign our rookies to their normal rookie scales, which we could do over the cap. If we pick at say 8 and 10, they sign at like 4.4 and 3.9. Signed rookies have to wait I believe 30 days to be traded. So we finish the trade in August, but agreed upon at the draft, obviously. Still retain our tpes and full mle.

 

[illmatic99]

No, would still be an over the cap team. We sign our rookies to their normal rookie scales, which we could do over the cap. If we pick at say 8 and 10, they sign at like 4.4 and 3.9. Signed rookies have to wait I believe 30 days to be traded. So we finish the trade in August, but agreed upon at the draft, obviously. Still retain our tpes and full mle.

So what's the order of ops? This it?

1.Pick up Hart/Bledsoe options prior to the draft
2. Draft two rookies for ~ 9 mil
3. Sign Ant & Nurk

This gets us over the cap.

4. Trade Bledsoe + 9 mil in rookie contracts (totaling around 29 mil) for Siakam.

We still would have our TPE as you said to get another guy if needed.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

After looking at the numbers it's so obviously Collins. I wonder if the Hawks would do this if the Pelicans pick lands 5-8. If they wouldn't and we made the playoffs I would even throw in a future lottery protected first.
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Wouldn't they want players who could help then right now?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Siakam, Boucher, and Precious appear to all play the same position - valuable PFs. The latter 2 are only getting about 20 mpg. Boucher is a UFA. It makes sense for them to not re-sign him, especially when Precious should already be playing more minutes.

Any interest in him? Full MLE type interest?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Siakam, Boucher, and Precious appear to all play the same position - valuable PFs. The latter 2 are only getting about 20 mpg. Boucher is a UFA. It makes sense for them to not re-sign him, especially when Precious should already be playing more minutes.

Any interest in him? Full MLE type interest?

He is definitely one of the UFA's in which I am the most interested.

 

[illmatic99]

After looking at the numbers it's so obviously Collins. I wonder if the Hawks would do this if the Pelicans pick lands 5-8. If they wouldn't and we made the playoffs I would even throw in a future lottery protected first.
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the timing in these Bledsoe deals is going to be the biggest obstacle i think. We'd have to pick up Bledsoes 19 mil option before the draft. How palpable is that cost for ATL, even if he is an expiring deal next yr?