What is the ideal off-season?

[Sheldon Shape]

My ideal off season that is within grasp at this point is winning the first pick in the lottery and having the Pelicans pick convey at number 9.

I would then like to see us set up some sketchy shit with the Celtics after they make a first round exit, where we allow them to work something out with Ant for a sign and trade that would send the a S&T Ant along with the rights to the 9th pick that we'd pick for them for Jaylen Brown.

Draft Jabari Smith with the first pick.

Draft a backup big with our second rounder.

I would also like to see us trade the Memphis second rounder to the Bulls so they will allow us to take the conditions off of the pick we owe them for next year. Then I'd like to see us use future picks and the TPE to pick up another impact player.

Re-sign Nurk to a contract that gives him a raise but not more than a few million in the first year of the new deal.

See Williams and Keon battle it out for the backup PG spot.

Dame, Hart, Brown, Smith, Nurk, TPE, Nas, Keon, second round big and hopefully someone else pops out of all of our young players.

If Portland can end up with either Jabari or Paolo out of this draft, that is a win. Then they can move the latter of lotto picks and TPE for Grant which is likely. Chauncey can decide which of Grant or the lotto pick deserves to start.

 

[HansenYang]

Ideal off-season:

Assume picks #7 & #10

Draft:
#7 Tari Eason
#10 -> Trade down for #17 (#10 & Bledsoe for #17 & Christian Wood)
#17 Mark Williams

FA:
Nurk: $60M/4yr ($15M ea)
Ant: $70M/4yr ($17.5M ea)
Dunn: $2M Min Contract
Otto Porter Jr - Full MLE -> $30M/3yrs ($10M ea -> 2 guaranteed + 1 PO)

Playing Rotation (8 deep):
PG: Dame, (Ant)
SG: Hart, Ant
SF: Porter, Little, Winslow
PF: Wood, (Porter)
C: Nurk, (Wood)

Bench:
Eason, Mark Williams, Dunn, Johnson, Brown, Watford, Didi

 

[DDolla]

OT: Chiefs traded Hill for 5 draft picks. Would you trade Dame for that?

 

[wizenheimer]

OT: Chiefs traded Hill for 5 draft picks. Would you trade Dame for that?

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so, what is the NBA equivalent?

looks like trading Dame for the 26th pick this year and 4 second round picks, one in the 30's

no, wouldn't even consider an idiotic trade like that

 

[blazerkor]

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so, what is the NBA equivalent?

looks like trading Dame for the 26th pick this year and 4 second round picks, one in the 30's

no, wouldn't even consider an idiotic trade like that

There is no equivalent to this trade in the NBA. This is a crazy haul for a wide receiver... hell it's a crazy haul for any player. One player in the NFL can never be equated to the NBA and because teams regularly expect to land immediate starters in the second round and even the third and fourth depending on the position, draft picks can't be compared either. I feel like this is like getting a 5th pick, 14th pick and 25th pick in this draft, then a top 20 protected pick in next season's draft that rolled over to the next draft for six years before turning into a second rounder and the teams second rounder next season.

The only difference is that the trade I just proposed for us isn't like what the Chiefs got because it's far more likely that the 29th and 50th pick start for the Chiefs next season than the 5th and 14th would for us next season. Just completely different animals but in terms of draft capital, this is a lot of value in return for any player in the NFL because the Chiefs cut a huge amount from their cap in a hard cap league and get so many picks in a league that picks are far more valued than they are in the association.

 

[wizenheimer]

There is no equivalent to this trade in the NBA. This is a crazy haul for a wide receiver... hell it's a crazy haul for any player. One player in the NFL can never be equated to the NBA and because teams regularly expect to land immediate starters in the second round and even the third and fourth depending on the position, draft picks can't be compared either. I feel like this is like getting a 5th pick, 14th pick and 25th pick in this draft, then a top 20 protected pick in next season's draft that rolled over to the next draft for six years before turning into a second rounder and the teams second rounder next season.

The only difference is that the trade I just proposed for us isn't like what the Chiefs got because it's far more likely that the 29th and 50th pick start for the Chiefs next season than the 5th and 14th would for us next season. Just completely different animals but in terms of draft capital, this is a lot of value in return for any player in the NFL because the Chiefs cut a huge amount from their cap in a hard cap league and get so many picks in a league that picks are far more valued than they are in the association.

I'm glad you mentioned the NFL hard-cap because tht is by far the biggest structural difference between the NFL and NBA. That hard cap forces NFL teams into moves NBA teams don't have to consider

as for you analogy of draft equivalence, I don't agree that a 29th NFL pick = a 5th NBA pick; a 50th pick = a 14th pick; or a 116th pick = a 25th pick. If my analogy went two far in one direction, yours went twice as far in the other. Your analogy might be valid if there were 90 NFL teams; three times as many as in the NBA. But there are only 32 teams in the NFL vs 30 in the NBA. meaning that NFL teams can loop back into the various tiers of draft talent a lot easier than NBA teams can. They simply have more opportunity

 

[Mr. Robot]

I suggested Simmons, Maxey and picks long ago and people shit on it.

they werent willing to deal either maxey or thybulle

and im sure daryl morey would rather have harden than dame and they got him without giving either of them

 

[HansenYang]

I'm glad you mentioned the NFL hard-cap because tht is by far the biggest structural difference between the NFL and NBA. That hard cap forces NFL teams into moves NBA teams don't have to consider

as for you analogy of draft equivalence, I don't agree that a 29th NFL pick = a 5th NBA pick; a 50th pick = a 14th pick; or a 116th pick = a 25th pick. If my analogy went two far in one direction, yours went twice as far in the other. Your analogy might be valid if there were 90 NFL teams; three times as many as in the NBA. But there are only 32 teams in the NFL vs 30 in the NBA. meaning that NFL teams can loop back into the various tiers of draft talent a lot easier than NBA teams can. They simply have more opportunity

Not sure I agree with you here. As a percentage of league rosters - the drafts provide about the same number of roster turnover.

NBA
15 roster spots x 30 teams = 450 players
Draft = 60 picks / 450 players = 13.3% potential player turnover

NFL
53 roster spots x 32 teams = 1,696 players
Draft = 224 picks (7 rounds x 32 teams) / 1,696 = 13.2% potential player turnover

Theoretically, you should be able to do a straight ratio between the two leagues.

29/224 = 0.129 * 60 => 8th Pick in NBA draft
50/224 = 0.223 * 60 => 13th Pick in NBA draft
4th rounder (96-128th pick) => 26th pick to 34th pick in NBA draft
4th rounder (96-128th pick) => 26th pick to 34th pick in NBA draft
6th rounder (160-192nd pick) => 43rd pick to 51st pick in NBA draft

So it turns out to be 2 late loto picks, 2 late 1st/early 2nds, and a late second rounder.

The likelihood that you'd find a star WR is about the same chance as you'd have finding a star PG.
The likelihood that you'd find a star OL is about the same chance you'd have finding a star C.

I think this approach is very comparable.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

they werent willing to deal either maxey or thybulle

and im sure daryl morey would rather have harden than dame and they got him without giving either of them

Which just goes to show how overvalued Dame is by our fan base at this point in his career.

I love the guy as a fan. But Simmons, Maxey, and multiple 1sts for Dame would be a good restart deal.

 

[wizenheimer]

Not sure I agree with you here. As a percentage of league rosters - the drafts provide about the same number of roster turnover.

NBA
15 roster spots x 30 teams = 450 players
Draft = 60 picks / 450 players = 13.3% potential player turnover

NFL
53 roster spots x 32 teams = 1,696 players
Draft = 224 picks (7 rounds x 32 teams) / 1,696 = 13.2% potential player turnover

Theoretically, you should be able to do a straight ratio between the two leagues.

29/224 = 0.129 * 60 => 8th Pick in NBA draft
50/224 = 0.223 * 60 => 13th Pick in NBA draft
4th rounder (96-128th pick) => 26th pick to 34th pick in NBA draft
4th rounder (96-128th pick) => 26th pick to 34th pick in NBA draft
6th rounder (160-192nd pick) => 43rd pick to 51st pick in NBA draft

So it turns out to be 2 late loto picks, 2 late 1st/early 2nds, and a late second rounder.

The likelihood that you'd find a star WR is about the same chance as you'd have finding a star PG.
The likelihood that you'd find a star OL is about the same chance you'd have finding a star C.

I think this approach is very comparable.

good job on the math

I don't really agree with the conclusions you drew though

 

[Scalma]

Another guy that is 100% a Billups type is Payton’s kid. Not sure how much he’s gonna get or how he even fits on this roster but that’s a Billups player if I ever saw one.

Good call bro

 

[TBpup]

Need more size/length. The 5 SGs we have is a bit much. Another trade almost has to be coming.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Good call bro

stop playing with your dinghy!

 

[tykendo]

If we turned down Maxey/Simmons/Thybulle for Dame it was a mistake imo. I love Dame but all 3 fit the timeline better and Maxey is turning into a stud.

Dame IS a stud. Maxey, may or may not turn into one. Simmons is a malcontent, and Thybulle is a nice defender, but that's about it.