What musicians will define the 20th century?

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When it's all said and done and we're all dead 100 years from now what five musicians will be remembered from the 20th century like Mozart, Bach and Beethoven are remembered? Who defines 1900-1999 the best?

Honestly it's so hard to make a list but you have to say that The Beatles are there. Maybe they're the only ones that truly belong..they pretty much defined the era.
 
<ul>[*]Beatles[*]Miles Davis[*]Louis Armstrong[*]John Coltrane[*]Elvis[*]Stevie Ray Vaughn[/list]
 
Beatles are the only English speaking one I can think of. Shakira is definitely that artist in Latin American countries. Haven't most of those jazz musicians been forgotten already?

I'd say Beatles, Queen, Shakira, Tupac, and Britney Spears (for all the wrong reasons). Elvis in place of Spears as far as music. Britney remembered for being a loser.
 
Like Mozart, Bach and Beethoven? Nobody. Maybe a few Haydns, Mendelssohns, or perhaps even a Rachmaninoff - but nobody transcendent like the first three.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jan 6 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Beatles are the only English speaking one I can think of. Shakira is definitely that artist in Latin American countries. Haven't most of those jazz musicians been forgotten already?

I'd say Beatles, Queen, Shakira, Tupac, and Britney Spears (for all the wrong reasons).</div>
you make a good point, of a lot of the music we listen to now is a direct influence, it may not be the names per say, but the influence the direct genre had is a large piece of the past 100 years, those names top it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Jan 6 2008, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How bout Michael Jackson?</div>
its sad because its so true, but because of what happened to him in the last 15 or so years, people will remember him for Wacko Jacko instead of Thriller Michael
 
Bob Dylan should be included in any list.

Any list is going to be pretty long. The 20th century introduced many forms oof music. You have to factor in the doo-wop sound of the 50's and 60's, the counterculture music of the late 60's, the disco era, 80's rock and pop, folk, hard rock and metal, hip/hop, rap, reggae, soul, country etc.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Jan 6 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What about Avril?</div>

Her first album came out in 2002, Let Go. She has to wait for the 21st century thread. Unless her performance on Canadian Star Search was truly defining of the 20th century.

She got started out by winning a contest to sing with Shania Twain at her concerts.

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lol, she's come along way.
 
Beatles, Hendrix, Michael Jackson, Jay Z, Elvis.

Its hard to choose...
 
the one that stands out is probably Elvis because of the impersonator's
 
I think some other names to be considered.

Queen, David Bowie, Bruce Springsteen, Eagles, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath, James Brown, Neil Diamond, The Police, Eminem, Tupac, NWA, Run DMC.
 
The musicians you named were known as much for their compositions as their chops, so I'll name:

Sergei Rachmaninoff

George Gershwin

Duke Ellington

Miles Davis

Elvis Presley (just too influential to ignore)

p.s., you could add Scott Joplin and John Philip Sousa to the list also, but half their lives were spent in the 19th century.

the thing about these musicians in not just their talent, but that they either created or popularized an entire genre of music.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jan 6 2008, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The musicians you named were known as much for their compositions as their chops, so I'll name:

Sergei Rachmaninoff

George Gershwin

Duke Ellington

Miles Davis

Elvis Presley (just too influential to ignore)

p.s., you could add Scott Joplin and John Philip Sousa to the list also, but half their lives were spent in the 19th century.

the thing about these musicians in not just their talent, but that they either created or popularized an entire genre of music.</div>

I'd probably add Claude deBussy, Igor Stavinski, Stephen Sondheim, Richard Strauss, Aaron Copland, Cole Porter, Jerome Kern, Leonard Bernstein, and, to be honest, John Williams and andrew lloyd webber will obviously be remembered.
 
...waiting for someone to see my little joke......
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AEM @ Jan 6 2008, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>...waiting for someone to see my little joke......</div>

what, waiting to see if anyone knows what century Haydn and Mendelsson lived?
 
I'd say you got it then, by exclusion.
 
It seems the most commonly named 3 so far are:
1) Elvis
2) Beatles
3) Michael Jackson
 
I'd put Bob Dylan before the Beatles and Michael Jackson. Probably Ray Charles, also.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ Jan 6 2008, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How 'bout Selena?</div>

No. Shakira easily out does her in Spanish music with PD and DELL in the 90's, and the live performance on MTV Unplugged. Shakira was particularly special because she was the one who was able to crossover into English and actually be a major success.

I think Selena is more famous for her death than for her music.
 
The beatles first and foremost.
Elvis, definately.
Dylan
Sinatra and several others from the rat pack

In no particular order:
The Who
The Stones
Led Zeppelin
Michael Jackson
The Eagles
Pink Floyd
Black Sabbath
Elton John
James Brown
Hendrix
Clapton
Rod Stewart
Aerosmith
Rush
Yes
(nobody who started post 1980, FWIW)

There were a lot of super groups pre-1980 who continued beyond 1980. Their music will always be remembered, and will technically become classical music, by definition. The question is ultimately which ones will be considered as Beethoven/Mozart types and which ones will be remembered like the lesser classical composers are.

My choices above are based upon one of two factors. First is if they radically changed music and continued to influence it going forward. Second is simply a large number of albums/cds in multiple decades.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jan 6 2008, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ Jan 6 2008, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How 'bout Selena?</div>

No. Shakira easily out does her in Spanish music with PD and DELL in the 90's, and the live performance on MTV Unplugged. Shakira was particularly special because she was the one who was able to crossover into English and actually be a major success.

I think Selena is more famous for her death than for her music.
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huh...I've recently have become a big fan of Shakira, but imo her best stuff we're in the 2000's. Selena was in in the 90's.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 7 2008, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The beatles first and foremost.
Elvis, definately.
Dylan
Sinatra and several others from the rat pack

In no particular order:
The Who
The Stones
Led Zeppelin
Michael Jackson
The Eagles
Pink Floyd
Black Sabbath
Elton John
James Brown
Hendrix
Clapton
Rod Stewart
Aerosmith
Rush
Yes
(nobody who started post 1980, FWIW)

There were a lot of super groups pre-1980 who continued beyond 1980. Their music will always be remembered, and will technically become classical music, by definition. The question is ultimately which ones will be considered as Beethoven/Mozart types and which ones will be remembered like the lesser classical composers are.

My choices above are based upon one of two factors. First is if they radically changed music and continued to influence it going forward. Second is simply a large number of albums/cds in multiple decades.</div>

See, I don't think these bands "radically changed music." If you are making a list of the rock bands or artists that are most likely to be remembered 100 years from now, they may be on that list, but (if not for the rock-and-roll HOF) I think that outside of a small niche of people that will listen to their albums, no one will remember much about them. You have to think that part of the answer has to be: How likely is it that people will go to hear these artists' music performed 100 years from now? How likely is it that their music will become "standards? and covered by other bands?" How likely is it that musicians 100 years from now will cite these bands as major influences, or that critics will cite the similarities between them and then-current bands? How often will you read about them in the newspaper? Did they create a new genre, or did they contribute drastically to its popularity (in relation to other bands of their era?) I think they all fail on those criteria. Elton John probably has the best chance, because I wouldn't be surprised if his music continues to be performed regularly. But most of the others have pretty unique sounds, and, while great acts and very talented, will end up little more than a footnote in the march of musical progress. There are many 18th and 19th century musucians and composers who are remembered and whose music is still performed, but they are no Beethoven or Bach or Mozart. These are musicians who, when people hear their name, will think, "oh, yeah, I've heard of him," without knowing why or ever hearing their music. Like, say Schumann or Verdi. I mean, I could name dozens of jazz musicians from 60, 70, or even 80 years ago, but I wouldn't consider them to be in the spirit of the question. 100 years from now, you're not going to turn on the radio and hear the DJ say, "That was X-splat performing "Tom Sawyer." You're not going to hear "Roundabout" as the background to a commercial.

To ask the question another way: If Beethoven or Mozart came back to life for one day, and you had a chance to play ten albums for them so they could see the direction music has taken since their death, would you toss in a Rod Stewart CD? Come on. I'd play a Keith Jarrett CD--who I believe is the most influential and original musician alive today, who arguably created a new genre of music singlhandedly, but who I wouldn't consider for this list, because I think he'll just be remembered as a footnote, as once he's gone, no one will expound on his work.

(Let me add that I have albums by most of these groups, and listen to them often. If you want to make a list of most influencial rock bands, I'd probably have many of the same names. Of course, you forgot Queen, which is unforgivable.)
 
musicians? as in individuals who may be part of a band but did something revolutionary?

Les Claypool, Bootsy Collins, Bo Diddley, Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Dimebag Darrell, Ray Charles, Tony Iommi, Keith Moon, Dave Lombardo, Ian Anderson (jethro tull), Larry Graham - Sly Stone, Stevie Wonder, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Harrison-McCartney-Lennon (yes in that order, George was the superior guitarist), Benny Goodman. Coltrane, Thelonius Monk, Robert Johnson, Robert Fripp.... etc

I see people like Bob Dylan, Jay-Z and Ice Cube fitting in with Ginsburg. Without superior music behind them, they are a little ordinary to listen to. Im not hating, as I am a fan of all three but they are lyricists not musicians. And dont tell me dylan is a century defining musician, his voice is average, his guitar playing is pedestrian but his Harmonica playing has got pretty darn good over the years, just not "All Time" good.
 
Regardless of how "mentally unstable" people think Michael Jackson is he clearly is a pop genius. The man set the record for most albums sold with Thriller selling over 50 million copies! No one has come close to breaking it. Ever. His name is definitely enshrined in the pantheon of musical greats. No question.
 
Its a tough question, because we're not all that removed from the century. I think there's a tendency to try and encapsulate the progression of whatever genre's in our list, but its really not needed. People don't remember the hundreds of notable artists that preceded Bach and Mozart and very likely built towards their achievements. Those two are remembered solely on their own.

I also think a list of musicians from the 1900's needs to take into account the iconic status that a lot of artists have been able to attain and the impact that status has on society. Bob Dylan wasn't the greatest singer, songwriter, or musician (not that he was bad), but he became associated and represented something in the '60's that was much greater than just his music. My list would include:

Robert Johnson, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, Miles Davis, Elton John, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Run DMC

That's just off the top of my head. It's definitely biased towards North America (somewhat justified) and reflects what little knowledge I've picked up. And I definitely don't think all of those artists will be remembered so greatly, but I couldn't narrow it down any further.
 
Have to add Nas, Eric B. and Rakim as well. they came out with two of the best albums of all time in the 90's. Paid In Full is probably the best hip-hop album of all-time, and IMO Illmatic is a close 2nd.
 

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