What now? Ownership, etc

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julius said:
selling an arena without a professional sports team as one of it's major tenements? Yeah, that's gonna get a lot of money.
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Paul Allen owns a lot of land around the Rose Quarter, including a large piece on the river. It would likely be a package deal if the Moda were to be sold separate from the Blazers.
 
julius said:
I'm talking about in Portland.

Give it up, they aren't moving to Vegas. I know you get a huge boner for acting all edgy and going against the grain.
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Whats going to change in Portland?

Why would an outside buyer with no ties to Portland move their family to Portland for a "healthy profit" when they can print money with a flashy new team and arena in Vegas?

Because Portland has a passionate fan base?

I would be happy to be proven wrong (in this example ONLY) but I do not have confidence in McGowan.

First they came for the edgy announcers.
Then the edgy social media guy.

Corporate is sterilizing the Blazers.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Paul Allen owns a lot of land around the Rose Quarter, including a large piece on the river. It would likely be a package deal if the Moda were to be sold separate from the Blazers.
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Why would someone buy the Moda center though? Without the Blazers, it's not like it has a lot of value.
 
julius said:
Why would someone buy the Moda center though? Without the Blazers, it's not like it has a lot of value.
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When the convention center hotel fails, which it will, the city will finally sell the Memorial Coliseum to the Spirit Mountain. Having a large entertainment venue and casino next to the convention center hotel will make financial sense.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Whats going to change in Portland?

Why would an outside buyer with no ties to Portland move their family to Portland for a "healthy profit" when they can print money with a flashy new team and arena in Vegas?

Because Portland has a passionate fan base?

I would be happy to be proven wrong (in this example ONLY) but I do not have confidence in McGowan.

First they came for the edgy announcers.
Then the edgy social media guy.

Corporate is sterilizing the Blazers.
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A New Yorker owns the Bucks.
A Seattlite owns the Clippers.
A Cali techie owns the Grizzlies.

it happens
 
Roster-wise, they may start dumping salaries of everyone except Lillard. Keep payroll lean except for a star, marketable player.

Winning is secondary now to selling the team and making the team attractive to buyers. Ugh.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Thursday is gonna be really emotional, but it just sucks a bunch of L*ker fans bought up the tickets from Blazer fans.

So fuck all Blazer fans that sold out and put money over franchise.
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I’ll be there opening night against the Lakers.

My family has been season ticket holders for 40+ years. This is Portland’s team. I want to see my son take over these tickets some day.
 
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For those fearful, listen to Steve Ballmer on the Simmons podcasts.Lifelong dream of owning 1 of 30 teams, cash not an issue, private jets, etc etc, owning a team out of state is not an issue. Valuations in the league are at an all time high-- NBA franchises are cash cows. You really think a Cali guy cares if his team is an hour and half away?

The thing that worries me is Paul spent indiscriminately on the team. We were his hobby. A guy/girl like that is hard to find. He was a fan first, boss second. Such a tremendous loss.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Whats going to change in Portland?

Why would an outside buyer with no ties to Portland move their family to Portland for a "healthy profit" when they can print money with a flashy new team and arena in Vegas?

Because Portland has a passionate fan base?

I would be happy to be proven wrong (in thus example) but I do not have confidence in McGowan.
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Was Paul Allen from Portland?

Was Merritt Paulson from Portland?

Was Larry Weingberg from Portland?

Was the owners of the Winterhawks (both their original and their current) from Portland?

Is the owner of the Clippers from L.A.?

Why must the owner be from Portland?

And why would they stay here vs moving to Vegas? Because it would cost a LOT to move to Vegas. Not only the cost of the team (probably 1.5 billion) plus the buyout (who knows how much that is) and the moving fees?

EVEN if they did move to Vegas, and it cost them (around) 2 billion, you know how many years they'd have to make L.A. type operating income to re-coup that? probably 10-12 years. And that's probably generous.

So yeah, it's not actually super smart to buy a franchise worth over a billion and a half, just to move it, so you can MAYBE make a profit in 10 years.

There's a reason why the Thunder moved, it was back when it was much cheaper to move. And there's a reason why the Chargers, Rams and Raiders all moved. Their ownership did not change hands.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You know we're going to make everyone stroke the fuck out.
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Or you'll just make it so no one takes anything either of you seriously anymore (we already know that EP doesn't care, but deep down inside, you actually don't care either, but that's besides the point).
 
bradk8605 said:
Went through lists of high net worth individuals who might consider owning the Blazers, who are not super old:

Not in any particular order:

Jeff Bezos (Amazon)
Howard Schultz (Starbux)
Jensen Huang (Nvidia) ~Went to Oregon State
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The Nvidia guy would be cool, but has he ever even mentioned basketball before? Who owns Intel?
 
julius said:
Was Paul Allen from Portland?

Was Merritt Paulson from Portland?

Was Larry Weingberg from Portland?

Was the owners of the Winterhawks (both their original and their current) from Portland?

Is the owner of the Clippers from L.A.?

Why must the owner be from Portland?

And why would they stay here vs moving to Vegas? Because it would cost a LOT to move to Vegas. Not only the cost of the team (probably 1.5 billion) plus the buyout (who knows how much that is) and the moving fees?

EVEN if they did move to Vegas, and it cost them (around) 2 billion, you know how many years they'd have to make L.A. type operating income to re-coup that? probably 10-12 years. And that's probably generous.

So yeah, it's not actually super smart to buy a franchise worth over a billion and a half, just to move it, so you can MAYBE make a profit in 10 years.

There's a reason why the Thunder moved, it was back when it was much cheaper to move. And there's a reason why the Chargers, Rams and Raiders all moved. Their ownership did not change hands.
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Vegas is a different animal though.

Having the Blazers will be more about marketing Park MGM than anything. They can afford heavy losses to recoup later.
 
Sports are going to go through a drastic change. Sports betting is now legal and the NBA wants a piece of every dollar bet. They are working with the big books and gaming companies to make an agreement. If this happens the NBA could within a decade make more money from gambling than TV contracts.

Increased revenue from gambling will change how the NBA looks at team locations. Portland doesn't do much for national TV ratings. Portland also wouldn't do much for sports bettors. But a Vegas or Anaheim team would get lots of attention from national TV and betting audiences. The relocation committee isn't going to care about a small market area of the country when moving the team can make all of the owners more money.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Sports are going to go through a drastic change. Sports betting is now legal and the NBA wants a piece of every dollar bet. They are working with the big books and gaming companies to make an agreement. If this happens the NBA could within a decade make more money from gambling than TV contracts.

Increased revenue from gambling will change how the NBA looks at team locations. Portland doesn't do much for national TV ratings. Portland also wouldn't do much for sports bettors. But a Vegas or Anaheim team would get lots of attention from national TV and betting audiences. The relocation committee isn't going to care about a small market area of the country when moving the team can make all of the owners more money.
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I see AEG's check to you cleared too.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Sports are going to go through a drastic change. Sports betting is now legal and the NBA wants a piece of every dollar bet. They are working with the big books and gaming companies to make an agreement. If this happens the NBA could within a decade make more money from gambling than TV contracts.

Increased revenue from gambling will change how the NBA looks at team locations. Portland doesn't do much for national TV ratings. Portland also wouldn't do much for sports bettors. But a Vegas or Anaheim team would get lots of attention from national TV and betting audiences. The relocation committee isn't going to care about a small market area of the country when moving the team can make all of the owners more money.
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So sports betting is your reasoning for why the relocation committee is more likely to move the Blazers to Vegas than the Kings (with what was their run down arena and super-low attendance) to Seattle?

You're smarter than that. I've never been so ashamed of anything you've posted. Sheesh.
 
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