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oldmangrouch said:
Phooey.

Being a useful rotation player makes them neither "worthless" nor a future star. What the hell is wrong with just being honest?
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He didn't say "future star". He said "good guys for the future", in which he included CJ, Meyers, Crabbe, and maybe Vonleh, all of whom he deemed bench players. Thus, he was decreeing that Aminu, Davis, and Harkless were all not even worthy of being future bench players--hence, worthless.

As to what's wrong with being honest--nothing. I wasn't criticizing Blazers Roy's honesty; I was calling out his judgmentalism and close-mindedness.
 
ripcityboy said:
I think people miss on the kind of GM that Olshey he is. And as a person too. He's not a high card poker player or a commodities trader, a Glickman or McCloskey. He's good at building on the hand he is dealt. I think people are expecting too much out of him. In a way he is perfect for this market, he identifies what he has, what he doesn't and the best way to do things. Kind of ironic he used to be an actor because he'd make a great executive of a movie production company.
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Inman (drafted Drexler '83, Bowie & Kersey '84 and Porter '85) Buckwalter (drafted Sabonis '86) and Petrie (traded Bowie for Buck Williams '89) built those early 90's favorite teams.

Edit: sorry this was directed toward another post/quote.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
The fact he is still has yet to do a thing...

I understand now that a rebuild is inevitable. I can only hope that some of the things I have read in here are true and that he has spent the last two to three years learning about this fan base. Looking at the strong years and what made the team popular and align his rebuild model to those years. Case in point the early 90's. Blazermania has never been at it's highest. I hope he has done his homework and the next contender looks more similar to that one. I will say that he has infused this roster with what seems to be athletic, younger talent. The athleticism part is something that has been missing for a few years. But Inman and Walker built the early 90's team very similarly. With no name, athletic talent.

If Olshey has studied and done his homework around this team, town and fan base. I'm willing to give time to build a team. I'm still not happy with him. How he has handled the last few years. None of his moves have blew my skirt up. And I still have a great of question in his competence. That will be there until...

He does something. For real.
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Blazermania was even higher back in '77!! You obviously didn't see it or you wouldn't confuse it with fandom in Portland circa 1990-1992.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Some of us were born after that. I was born right before (May 1977), so no, we didn't GET to see any of that. The best we have is 1989-90.
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I was born 1973, but really was too young to even remember that championship. Hell, I didn't even become a Blazer fan until 86
 
Schilly said:
Ok tlong, how in the he'll do you get something in return if he walks to a team that doesn't need to send something back to make it work. How Pissed would those season ticket holders have been if we had traded him for the package Cleveland sent to Minnesota last summer? I'm going to guess in the wake of last season's playoffs at least doubly Pissed. So who would you have traded Lamarcus for last summer or how about at this year's deadline? How would that have won over season ticket holders?

I'm a season ticket holder. I recognize that it's the nature of sports.
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You think STH would have been pissed at sending LMA away for the package MIN got for Love? Did you re-up in 2007 when they traded away Z-bo? Because you still had a young, exciting team left over?

I think that if you say "we offered him the most money possible, and he said no, so we traded him while we could for Wiggins PLUS other stuff" you may have some die-hard LMA fans canceling ST, but you then have a team that has two cornerstone pieces for at least 7 years and can still do all the moves they did this summer.
 
BrianFromWA said:
You think STH would have been pissed at sending LMA away for the package MIN got for Love? Did you re-up in 2007 when they traded away Z-bo? Because you still had a young, exciting team left over?

I think that if you say "we offered him the most money possible, and he said no, so we traded him while we could for Wiggins PLUS other stuff" you may have some die-hard LMA fans canceling ST, but you then have a team that has two cornerstone pieces for at least 7 years and can still do all the moves they did this summer.
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It's unfair to use the Love for Wiggins. We just came from a successful season and Aldridge publicly saying he wants to be the best blazer ever. Trading him then would have been a PR nightmare. Using that or trades up until the deadline are all silly (since we were battling for 2nd and third in the west until Wes went down).

Now if Dame didn't hit that miraculous .09 and we lost in the first round, Aldridge for wiggins would easily happen.

Now the argument would be "would he trade when he first arrived?" And seriously that would have been a mistake as well.

So the naysayers about the doom and gloom Aldridge scenarios are pretty much silly all way around
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
Big cop out, tlongII!! When exactly would you have pulled the trigger on a LMA trade rather than losing him? Keep in mind the shrinking value as he was closer and closer to actual free agency!! Who would have paid what? Olshey didn't stand a chance.
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Times I would've traded LMA and said so:
1) (right before draft, June 2013) #1 overall (Oladipo, maybe? Noel? I don't think that anyone outside of CLE would've taken Bennett), Thompson, #19 overall or future 1st . Full disclosure, I also said after trading for Lopez that we weren't going to be bad enough or have cap enough to trade LMA away after the FA period. So if he wasn't traded before the draft 2013, I would've offered the max extension using cap space and signed him to a max-max deal through 2017.

2) (July 2014, after LMA declined extension) Wiggins, Bennett (the Kevin Love-ish package), 2015 1st

By the trade deadline, you've already made your decision to try for him. I give Olshey credit for trying to do all he could (maybe with his hands tied behind his back),but there were plenty of chances to trade him, and POR/Allen have shown they don't mind shipping out good players if they don't fit the plan. And a guy who won't sign a max extension or who expresses less than full interest in being here does not fit the plan.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Not likely. Not to go all "Marazul," but people who tend toward the "J" end of the Myers-Briggs scale are likely to make quick judgments of people/situations and then hold to those conclusions, often despite significant evidence to the contrary. If someone has already decided early on that Aminu and Davis are worthless, no amount of statistical analysis will convince them otherwise.
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What about an INTP?
 
magnifier661 said:
It's unfair to use the Love for Wiggins. We just came from a successful season and Aldridge publicly saying he wants to be the best blazer ever. Trading him then would have been a PR nightmare. Using that or trades up until the deadline are all silly (since we were battling for 2nd and third in the west until Wes went down).

Now if Dame didn't hit that miraculous .09 and we lost in the first round, Aldridge for wiggins would easily happen.

Now the argument would be "would he trade when he first arrived?" And seriously that would have been a mistake as well.

So the naysayers about the doom and gloom Aldridge scenarios are pretty much silly all way around
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It's not unfair at all to use Love for Wiggins. CLE was looking for an All-Star PF to pair with LeBron. He didn't want rookie Wiggins. That trade EASILY could've happened, especially after LMA declined the extension. I even wrote out a press conference speech last year to explain why it would've happened (in the entertainingly off-the-rails adventure called the "Aldridge Offered Max Extension" thread or something in July 2014).

I would be careful dropping "silly" and other pejoratives into this thread.
 
I don't think 1, 19, Thompson and future 1st was ever offered.

I think Cleveland preferred Love(and his extra potential year of control which turned out not to matter) over Aldridge, so don't think we would have gotten that deal either.
 
BrianFromWA said:
It's not unfair at all to use Love for Wiggins. CLE was looking for an All-Star PF to pair with LeBron. He didn't want rookie Wiggins. That trade EASILY could've happened, especially after LMA declined the extension. I even wrote out a press conference speech last year to explain why it would've happened (in the entertainingly off-the-rails adventure called the "Aldridge Offered Max Extension" thread or something in July 2014).

I would be careful dropping "silly" and other pejoratives into this thread.
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Wrong!!! It's silly because of the circumstance. You interview all the GMs in the league and I bet they would say it's silly as well. If we didn't make it out of the first round, then it's more than likely to happen. Because we made the second round, it's silly as fuck.
 
RR7 said:
I don't think 1, 19, Thompson and future 1st was ever offered.

I think Cleveland preferred Love(and his extra potential year of control which turned out not to matter) over Aldridge, so don't think we would have gotten that deal either.
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Exactly this.

Love was 26 this past season. He's young, able to carry a big load on nights where needed, and will be 31 at the end of his 5 year contract.

Plus, it's not clear at all that LMA would re-sign with the Cavs, causing them all sorts of headaches.
 
One unanswerable question will always hang over this debate: did Olshey ever really understand the depths of the problem with LMA?

He may have been making an honest effort to resolve the issues and keep LMA. Or he may have known this was coming and just put off dealing with it as long as possible.
 
RR7 said:
I don't think 1, 19, Thompson and future 1st was ever offered.

I think Cleveland preferred Love(and his extra potential year of control which turned out not to matter) over Aldridge, so don't think we would have gotten that deal either.
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The hypothetical GMs are pretty "silly". We've got many Nostradamus Virtual GMs in here!
 
Hey youngsters.....Gramps here.......don't make comparisons where you don't know both sides. Better to say "this was the best I've ever known" or similar.
School out!!
 
oldmangrouch said:
One unanswerable question will always hang over this debate: did Olshey ever really understand the depths of the problem with LMA?

He may have been making an honest effort to resolve the issues and keep LMA. Or he may have known this was coming and just put off dealing with it as long as possible.
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I think how he traded Batum leads me to believe he would have cut the rope if he knew for sure Aldridge was gonna bolt.
 
Nikolokolus said:
What about an INTP?
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Well I'm no expert, but I would think that the "thinking" and "perceiving" aspects of that personality type suggest continuous intake and consideration of information, and the "intuition" aspect indicates a tendency to extrapolate conclusions. I would assume that your typical INTP would have drawn a conclusion of some sort based on the available data, but that that conclusion would be malleable as further information presented itself.
 
oldmangrouch said:
One unanswerable question will always hang over this debate: did Olshey ever really understand the depths of the problem with LMA?

He may have been making an honest effort to resolve the issues and keep LMA. Or he may have known this was coming and just put off dealing with it as long as possible.
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Not this. I think he did everything he could within reason to keep LMA here. I do not think for a moment if NO NEW he was gone, would sit and wait.
 
magnifier661 said:
Wrong!!! It's silly because of the circumstance. You interview all the GMs in the league and I bet they would say it's silly as well. If we didn't make it out of the first round, then it's more than likely to happen. Because we made the second round, it's silly as fuck.
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You're right...being 11 wins away from the banner is waaaay better than being 13 wins away.
 
BrianFromWA said:
You're right...being 11 wins away from the banner is waaaay better than being 13 wins away.
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I am right. They made it further than any other team Aldridge played for his 8 years before. This with a shit bench to boot. Many said if Portland just had depth, they could have made it to the wcf. But if you need to play The hindsight card to justify we needed to trade is "silly". No offense...
 
BrianFromWA said:
Chad Ford said #1/#19 for LMA and POR immediately rejected.
Andy Katz said #1/Thompson/Waiters for Love and MIN said no.
Simmons said #1/Thompson/#19, but he was speculating.
Woj said that Waiters/Thompson/#1 wouldn't happen "because CLE is higher on Thompson and Waiters than the rest of the NBA)
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So 1/19. No surprise they'd potentially offer more to Love, who is younger, with more team control. Sure, it'd be nice to look and say oh, this team, but with...whoever, Oladipo, Noel, Len, etc. Or, there's the chance they take Bennet. There's the possibility that being forced into being the #1 alters Lillard's trajectory, instead of getting to play off of Aldridge. Who knows.
I think speculating on trading him for Wiggins is silly if we're going to talk about STHss concerns, and seems like a poor move coming off of a 54 win season with a young team. If we're a WCF team this year, I think Aldridge stays. If healthy, who knows, maybe we are. I think Paul didn't want a rebuild, and Neil had to bank on if you build a winner, he'll stick around.
 
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