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Since I am fairly new here.

I just wanted to know. I dont want to waste my time and I would like to avoid discussions about Kidd when discussing other topics.

My point of view on this is:

Yeah this past year Kidd did himself a disservice demanding a trade and questionably not putting a 100% effort. Kidd made this team creditable again especially after the f'en Wannabe-A-Starbury. The years before last, Kidd also lead this team to 2 Finals Appearances.

Am I glad he is gone? Definitely. Thorn and Kiki did a great job getting Harris in return for an aging HOF.
 
Since I am fairly new here.

I just wanted to know. I dont want to waste my time and I would like to avoid discussions about Kidd when discussing other topics.

My point of view on this is:

Yeah this past year Kidd did himself a disservice demanding a trade and questionably not putting a 100% effort. Kidd made this team creditable again especially after the f'en Wannabe-A-Starbury. The years before last, Kidd also lead this team to 2 Finals Appearances.

Am I glad he is gone? Definitely. Thorn and Kiki did a great job getting Harris in return for an aging HOF.

Who cares... it's the past now.

Topic has been discussed ad nauseam. Do a search and let's move on.
 
Who cares... it's the past now.

Topic has been discussed ad nauseam. Do a search and let's move on.

Nice!!!

The only reason why I asked is because people here have different thoughts about and it has been mentioned it in other post recently.

Edit: Act like a civilized person and refrain from calling other posters childish names.
 
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Since I am fairly new here.

I just wanted to know. I dont want to waste my time and I would like to avoid discussions about Kidd when discussing other topics.

My point of view on this is:

Yeah this past year Kidd did himself a disservice demanding a trade and questionably not putting a 100% effort. Kidd made this team creditable again especially after the f'en Wannabe-A-Starbury. The years before last, Kidd also lead this team to 2 Finals Appearances.

Am I glad he is gone? Definitely. Thorn and Kiki did a great job getting Harris in return for an aging HOF.

Glad he played for Nets, but it became apparent to me that he was all about himself at the '03 All-Star break.

Great competitor, and didn't go public with his egomaniacy until last season.

Thorn really ripped off Cuban in that deal.
 
History will vindicate him and show him as the greatest player to play for the Nets in the NBA.

If someday the Nets win a championship, they will look back to 2001 and Jason Kidd when it all turned around.
 
Glad he played for Nets, but it became apparent to me that he was all about himself at the '03 All-Star break.

Great competitor, and didn't go public with his egomaniacy until last season.

Thorn really ripped off Cuban in that deal.


What happened exactly?
 
What happened exactly?

Wouldn't publicly commit to wanting to play for the Nets in the '03-'04 season (he was about to become a free agent) because Thorn wouldn't fire Byron Scott.

The youngsters had the wind taken out of them, and Nets played poor basketball the rest of the season.

Then Kidd re-signed in '-03-'04 offseason, but punished Thorn by making Nets sign ZO.
 
History will vindicate him and show him as the greatest player to play for the Nets in the NBA.

If someday the Nets win a championship, they will look back to 2001 and Jason Kidd when it all turned around.

Personally, I think Buck Williams was the Nets best NBA player.

And there isn't a whisper of either of those Finals teams left on the Nets, so the Kidd turnaround has been turned around.

No one could possibly lay any credit at the feet of Jason Kidd should Nets ever win a Title.
 
good to have him on the team for the first few years, great to bring NJ in the spotlight for a bit and give us some respect as a club, but that effected faded as each year went by, leading us to this past season, and we saw how that went.

regardless of how good or bad our team will be this season or in upcomming seasons, very happy to have Harris as a replacement.
 
He was great (on the court) those first few years...but his ego just got way too big near the end. I thank him for all the good memories I have with him as part of the team, but I can't say I'm sad to see him gone.
 
Wouldn't publicly commit to wanting to play for the Nets in the '03-'04 season (he was about to become a free agent) because Thorn wouldn't fire Byron Scott.

The youngsters had the wind taken out of them, and Nets played poor basketball the rest of the season.

Then Kidd re-signed in '-03-'04 offseason, but punished Thorn by making Nets sign ZO.

1) Why would you commit to something that you may not be absolutely sure? 2) Why hurt your bargaining power by do so?

Yeah it is f'ed up but that is how the world turns. If he signed with the Spurs, I would have been cool with that too.

I had no problem with the Zo thing. It was one of those things that happens a lot in the NBA. Agents do that stuf with their clients. Look it is happening with us now. Kiki is trying to get some of the players he had in Denver. $hit like that happens a lot.
 
Here is a quote from another thread. I didnt want to bring it up there, but this is why I wanted an better understanding of what people thought of him.

I am quoting Dumpy (No offense dude. I know you are still upset with me about the avator thing. lol)

He may not be a great leader (although infinitely better than Jason Kidd), but most of the world isn't great leaders in whatever they do.

I disagree with Dumpy. Kidd was a very good leader until the last year. The guy helped bring this team to the Finals his first year. Then to go back again the next. VC isnt as good as a leader as Kidd. All the hopla about VC and the young guys is all BS. Kidd the same thing last year. What was the quote? " Best team or bench or group he has played with."
 
Here is a quote from another thread. I didnt want to bring it up there, but this is why I wanted an better understanding of what people thought of him.

I am quoting Dumpy (No offense dude. I know you are still upset with me about the avator thing. lol)



I disagree with Dumpy. Kidd was a very good leader until the last year. The guy helped bring this team to the Finals his first year. Then to go back again the next. VC isnt as good as a leader as Kidd. All the hopla about VC and the young guys is all BS. Kidd the same thing last year. What was the quote? " Best team or bench or group he has played with."

I agree that Kidd demonstrated good leadership skills his first few years with the team. However, they have eroded drastically since then. There were a number of epic threads about this last year; I'll see if I can find one and bump it.
 
I like howyou say those threads were epic Dumpy! :D


Anyway on topic- He was great in the first few years here, but I really disliked him once Kmart left. His off-court behavior and his meddling with team affairs really killed him for me.
 
I guess it was more a constant stream of threads instead of just a single thread.

The best statement I could find that expressed my opinion on Kidd actually was in a thread in the Mavericks forum. I'll just cut and paste my two posts, and spare you the insults that were flung back and forth:

First, right after the trade, and when some Mav fans were gloating about their "steal", I wrote:

Dumpy said:
I don't want to turn this into a "bash Kidd" thread. He's a great player. Yes, he's a selfish prima donna, but in most cases that's necessary to BE a great NBA player--you need to be cocky and self absorbed, even arrogant. See, for instance, James, LeBron. Obviously that statement is overbroad and not true in all cases, but it's interesting that some players that lack that arrogance are criticised for not having a "killer instinct" and "winner's mentality"--like Vince, for instance.

However, on top of that, I just don't think that Jason Kidd is much of a leader. Although he helps his teammates play better on the court, he doesn't help them play HARDER consistently. Even before this year, it seemed like he would go entire quarters, halves, even games where he would just go through the motions--and his teammates would then do the same. He'd talk about how the team "took the game off," but I see him as one of the primary culprits for that. There's no question that when he is focused and driven, he can be a dominant player. But can he still do that for a three-month stretch? We haven't seen it.

I understand that you are just thrilled with geting Kidd on your favorite team. But if he is so great, and such a leader, why have the Nets been a .500 team for the last two years? Why are they five or eight games under .500 this year? It's easy to blame injuries, or the talent level of the players on the team, but other teams have injuries and can still win if they have leaders--look at Washington this year, for instance, or Houston last year when Yao was injured. If Kidd was such a great leader, why had he become a cancer in the locker room? Why was he getting to the foul line the fewest number of times in his career? Why is he taking the fewest shots in his career, with the lowest field goal percentage? Either he is proving that he is not a leader, or his skills ahev declined. There is no other possible answer. A leader LEADS, he doesn't go through the motions or is satisfied with a half-assed effort.

Who is the real Jason Kidd? I don't know. As I said earlier, I suspect that, like has happened with each team he has been on, he'll be focused and play well for the rest of this year and probably next year, but after that you'll start to see him take games off and come up with some random excuse about how "it wasn't their game." Ask yourself if Kevin Garnett or Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan would do that.

In this case, as was confirmed in an article today, Kidd decided he wanted to be traded over a year ago and just didn't want to play for the Nets any more, which is a damning statement, and insulting to both his teammates and the organization. At first, Kidd said that he wanted to play with an athletic big man who could finish--and now the Nets have THREE of them, so that wasn't the problem. I SUSPECT--although don't know for sure--that he just wanted to get away because of things that were going on in his personal life, but we'll never know for sure.

Kidd right now is half a player. His defense is overrated--on yesterday's Orlando Magic broadcast they mentioned how much Jameer Nelson--JAMEER NELSON, THE WORST STARTING PG IN THE LEAGUE--will miss Kidd, because Kidd couldn't contain him. He doesn't shoot, and when he does take a shot, there is a 2/3 chance he'll miss, anyway. He doesn't get to the line. His rebounds are overrated, because 90% of them are on the defensive end, and if he didn't get them, there's around an 85% chance that one of his teammates would. In other words, I figure he adds at most around one rebound per game over a lineup with a typically-rebounding PG. All that's left is his passing ability, and I'm not sure how much that's worth in comparison to those other skills. It's possible that all those skills will improve now that he's focused--he definitely has been getting more steals than before, so it seems like his intensity is up--but that just brings us back to the leadership issue.

Anyway, just to finish, Jason was a great player for the Nets, and I loved to watch him--but I hated to root for him, because, as I said at the start of this, he's a selfish prima donna who resorts to sleazy behavior at times--lying about making a trade demand, pressuring the front office to make certain moves, and the personal stuff like the allegations in the divorce proceeding and the allegation that he groped a woman at a bar.

If you can ignore all that, all the more power to you, and you'll enjoy watching him play even more. I prefer to root for nice, introspective guys. Like Antoine Wright, who was one of my favorite players, even though he was terrified whenever he had the ball in his hands.

Two months later, when Kidd predictably failed in the playoff environment, I added the following:

He really isn't a great leader, and I base that on my experience about what it takes to BE a great leader. Please understand that it is hard to be a leader. It takes more than being the "best" at something. It's not just yelling at everyone whenever they do something wrong. In every organization, there are people in positions of leadership that are not great leaders, and will never be great leaders, but they've been promoted until they reach senior management. Saying someone is not a great leader is NOT denigrating them; a large part of it has to do with inherent skills and brain type that is very difficult to change. I've certainly accepted the fact that I'm not a great leader, and wouldn't make a great leader. Anyway, you can point to his mannerisms, his language, the way he talks about his teammates, the way he accepts losses, the way he encourages and mentors teammates, the way he trusts others to make competent decisions, and yes, even the way he treats strangers. There are all sorts of anecdotal evidence I could bring up. It's true that we don't see the whole picture, because we dont get to see what goes on behind the scenes, but everytime we get to peek behind the curtain I haven't been at all impressed by him. You know, though, I'll just say that when Kidd first joined the Nets, and stood up and said "the losing stops here," or something like that, he was really exhibiting tremendous leadership skills. But that Jason Kidd has completely faded away and has been replaced by the one who just goes through the motions and then will say that the other team just "had their number" on a particular night.

Hope that helps.
 
1) Why would you commit to something that you may not be absolutely sure? 2) Why hurt your bargaining power by do so?

He had a young team he was trying to get to the Finals. What you say to a reporter at halftime of an All-Star game does not hurt your bargaining position.

He could have made his intentions clear after the season is over. THAT is what agents are for.

Lost a lot of respect for Kidd at that point.

He did turn it up bigtime in that years playoffs, though. Until the Finals.
 
Personally, I think Buck Williams was the Nets best NBA player.

And there isn't a whisper of either of those Finals teams left on the Nets, so the Kidd turnaround has been turned around.

No one could possibly lay any credit at the feet of Jason Kidd should Nets ever win a Title.

Without Kidd, there'd probably be no interest in buying the Nets, no Ratner, no Brooklyn, no "world's most expensive arena" and no talk of any big name player ever coming here through FA.
 
loved him while he was here

thought he could improve his shooting

disappointed to see how he ended his career as a net.

as of now, not a fan at all, hope he loses and regrets his decision to leave jersey.
 
Without Kidd, there'd probably be no interest in buying the Nets, no Ratner, no Brooklyn, no "world's most expensive arena" and no talk of any big name player ever coming here through FA.

No Ratner? That would be wonderful. I don't care where Nets play.

And 'talk' is very cheap.
 
Without Kidd, there'd probably be no interest in buying the Nets, no Ratner, no Brooklyn, no "world's most expensive arena" and no talk of any big name player ever coming here through FA.

That's not necessarily true. Ratner wanted them for a real estate deal not because they were successful. All it did was probably cost him a little more.
 
When the Nets traded for him, I was deliriously happy and would have (and probably did) defended him as arguably the best team player in the league and one of the guys who works hardest to win games in the history of the NBA. By the time he left I couldn't wait to see the last of him, and it had little to do with his deteriorating skills.

He became his own antithesis.
 
This is crazy...

A couple years ago people couldn't get off this guy's jock. They were saying that he deserved to win MVP over Duncan (which I agree with) and they said that he was one of maybe 5 in the L that made those around him better. Now those same people have been drinking haterade and have nothing better to do than talk shit?
 
This is crazy...

A couple years ago people couldn't get off this guy's jock. They were saying that he deserved to win MVP over Duncan (which I agree with) and they said that he was one of maybe 5 in the L that made those around him better. Now those same people have been drinking haterade and have nothing better to do than talk shit?

Well, Kidd hasn't stayed the same type of player so you can't blame them.
 
This is crazy...

A couple years ago people couldn't get off this guy's jock. They were saying that he deserved to win MVP over Duncan (which I agree with) and they said that he was one of maybe 5 in the L that made those around him better. Now those same people have been drinking haterade and have nothing better to do than talk shit?

2008 is a long way away from 2002

As far as what Kidd can do, he was a selfish asshat last season and he burnt up a lot of the support he had because of those actions.

Because he didn't immediately turn it back on when he joined the Mavs, I'm very curious to see what he does this season. Granted, I have very little faith in the Mavs because Carlisle and his assistants don't coach a Kidd-style offense.
 
"I don't wanna talk about Jason Kidd, so I'll make a topic about him when I first get to the forum."
 

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