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BlazerCaravan said:
Actually, I'd call for a small overhaul of the entire shotclock: it shouldn't reset to 14 on a half-court possession (i.e., when a foul occurs and play resets with the same team holding possession), it should reset to 16 (14 is a holdover from the "10 seconds to get over the half court line" era). Now, with that set up, I'd make any shot clock resets that result in the offensive team retaining the ball in their half of the court result in 16 seconds because there's no need to go back over half court.
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This is precisely how I was looking at it. :cheers:
 
dviss1 said:
Meh. How many offensive boards are there a game? Not enough to institute this great of a change. This doesn't fix a problem. And of it ain't broke....
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854 Offensive Rebounds was the average total last season, meaning 10.4 per game on average. Let's say 1/3 are kick outs to restart the play (and 2/3 are tip-in attempts), that gives you an extra 24 seconds per team per game (48 seconds per game) of possessions...

You're probably right. Also, this article: http://nyloncalculus.com/2016/01/06/offensive-rebounds-and-three-pointers/ Kind of points to the offensive rebound going extinct thanks to the three point shot and the stretch 4.
 
dviss1 said:
It doesn't address a problem. This is not fixing anything.
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Not saying its broken and this is a fix, but sometimes you improve upon something that isn't broken. I think this would provide better flow to the game even if that second shot is of a less percentage made, and that i'm not so sure about because of the time allotted for crossing half court.

The MBox Pro was Pro Tool's first major successful home interface and it wasn't broken, but they improved with the MBox Pro 2. Some things require evolution even if it doesn't seem broken.
 
dviss1 said:
UST like I predicted: The flopping fines didn't fix one thing. It did exactly what I said the new rule would do. It created a new revenue stream for the NBA.
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Please, Stevie Wonder could see the NBA would enforce that rule only for mid-tier and lower players.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Honestly, I love the way the game is designed.

It's the politics that piss me off. The favoritism towards star players. Get rid of that shit, and the game will flourish. I don't want to see James Harden shoot 25 free throws in a game. That's the one thing that I appreciate most about the Olympics is watching refs simply not give a shit who you are or what team you play for.
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100% with ya right there. To me its the favoritism that has changed almost everything else we are discussing.

Sinse when does scoring 25ppg mean you are fouled more than a guy who scores 10ppg when they are both off of something like 5-20 shooting? Odds are the guys with the less points was fouled more, but the guy with more points gets the calls...
 
Guys 24 seconds is the shortest shot clock. I do agree with resets to 16 but not after an offensive rebound. I think that's overkill and again what problem does it fix?
 
dviss1 said:
Beirdo has been fined multiple times. I've seen Chris Paul AND LeBron pay fines.

The rule doesn't work.
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Notwhen they make millions and floppers are stars. So yes. They make millions.

To me it should be like techs. 1st flop is a T and the other team gets a pair of free throws. Second flop and your out of the game. flop in two games in a row and your suspended a game.

You want to end this flopping crap? Then the punishment must be a capital offence. Not a dock on their allowance.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Honestly, I love the way the game is designed.

It's the politics that piss me off. The favoritism towards star players. Get rid of that shit, and the game will flourish. I don't want to see James Harden shoot 25 free throws in a game. That's the one thing that I appreciate most about the Olympics is watching refs simply not give a shit who you are or what team you play for.
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DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!

We have a winner!

This and fucking call Traveling! I was watching the gold medal game and Derozan caught the ball (on a fast break no less) took two steps and then put the ball on the floor. Before I could say the word they called Travel. I said YES!! It was the only time in the Olympics that I rooted against the US.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Notwhen they make millions and floppers are stars. So yes. They make millions.

To me it should be like techs. 1st flop is a T and the other team gets a pair of free throws. Second flop and your out of the game. flop in two games in a row and your suspended a game.

You want to end this flopping crap? Then the punishment must be a capital offence. Not a dock on their allowance.
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Nonsensical. Hold referees accountable.

How do you teach your child not to whine? You ignore them. Don't speak whinease. Then they self correct.

Edit: How do you deter speeding?

Tickets.

How do you deter a rich man from speeding? Make his ticket based upon his income....?
 
dviss1 said:
Nonsensical. Hold referees accountable.

How do you teach your child not to whine? You ignore them. Don't speak whinease. Then they self correct.

Edit: How do you deter speeding?

Tickets.

How do you deter a rich man from speeding? Make his ticket based upon his income....?
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How do you deter a rich man from speeding? A swift kick to the balls.
 
Yea call the travel when there actually traveling. That I think Olympic refs did a great job because they didn't care who you were as someone mention. I would change much either just call the game as it should be.
 
This thread reminded me of my feelings for floppers. In all seriousness, some variation of the following should absolutely happen:

There should be a "Flopping 1" penalty, which counts as a technical foul.
There should be a "Flopping 2" penalty, which counts as a double technical foul - and automatic ejection.
FLOPPING SHOULD BE REVIEWABLE!

The problem with flopping, from an incentives POV, is that it doesn't hurt the team, it actually helps the team. When it does start to hurt the team, the coaches will put a stop to in, instead of encouraging it.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
This thread reminded me of my feelings for floppers. In all seriousness, some variation of the following should absolutely happen:

There should be a "Flopping 1" penalty, which counts as a technical foul.
There should be a "Flopping 2" penalty, which counts as a double technical foul - and automatic ejection.
FLOPPING SHOULD BE REVIEWABLE!

The problem with flopping, from an incentives POV, is that it doesn't hurt the team, it actually helps the team. When it does start to hurt the team, the coaches will put a stop to in, instead of encouraging it.
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In NCAA/NFHS "faking being fouled" is a tech. I've yet to see a ref enforce it. Not sure if I want to be that ref but damn... techs would work. When a ref FINALLY does... I'm going to make sure to get the video.

(fap, fap, fap) :lol:
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Then go watch WNBA. Those of us who enjoy explosive displays of athleticism will continue watching guys who play above the rim.
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So you don't think most of the players in the NBA right now couldn't explode and still dunk on a 14ft rim?
 
BigGameDamian said:
So you don't think most of the players in the NBA right now couldn't explode and still dunk on a 14ft rim?
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No I don't think there's a human being on the face of the planet that can dunk on a 14 ft rim. If you said 11 ft, you might have an argument, but since you've said 14 twice now, you've lost the ability to claim typo.
 
dviss1 said:
In HS/college if you're falling out of bounds you can't call for time. And just like a coach can tell his player to run a play they can tell a player to call for time.
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If it had to be one or the other I'd choose the players.
 
dviss1 said:
This is not a counter. Again you gotta referee a lot of games to know this. You only award a timeout when you see clear possession. You actually made my point. There have been many times when I've had to tell a coach his team didn't have possession of the ball when he called for time.
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It's why I suggested FIBA's rule. You can't call time unless there is a dead ball situation
 
dviss1 said:
Beirdo has been fined multiple times. I've seen Chris Paul AND LeBron pay fines.

The rule doesn't work.
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To those guys those fines aren't peanuts. They are the equivalent of a single peanut. And well worth the cost/benefit of getting the winning calls.
 
yuyuza1 said:
It's why I suggested FIBA's rule. You can't call time unless there is a dead ball situation
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If a team rattles off a 10-0 run on us do you want us to have to wait for a dead ball to call time? :dunno: I don't.

Players anytime. Coaches at a dead ball.
 
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