What rule changes do you want to see?

[dviss1]

Again, just because something isn't broken doesn't mean it can't be improved.

The way you used the word improved is subjective.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Nonsensical. Hold referees accountable.

How do you teach your child not to whine? You ignore them. Don't speak whinease. Then they self correct.

Edit: How do you deter speeding?

Tickets.

How do you deter a rich man from speeding? Make his ticket based upon his income....?

It will take longer. Punish. Don't just ignore. Not talking about the child of course.

The speeding analogy actually backs my point. The tickets don't stop people from speeding. I see it and do it every day. But if I knew I only needed to be busted twice for speeding and I would have my license suspended? Now were talking...

Removing a player from the game until they want to PLAY the game is all good by me. I'm just saying like you did, the fines don't work.
Ignoring speeders wouldn't work either, EVERYONE would speed then because they get somewhere faster.

Ignoring the floppers wouldn't provide them a benefit, but they will continue to do so in the off chance they can fool the ref. Lets remember, a ref calls a flop a foul because he was fooled. Not because he thinks the flop was actually a foul... or he is fooled into thinking so. So how do you ignore what you don't really know, or are fooled into thinking something else?

Must be a punishment.

Eye for an Eye.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Hey Ref, who cut your hair? You tell me who did that to you!

Sounds like that whistle needs a new battery!

Whoever told you vertical stripes were slimming was lying to you...

We could hear that whistle better if you'd pull your head out of your ass?

Those who can, do! Those who can't, ref!

 

[Orion Bailey]

Hey Ref, who cut your hair? You tell me who did that to you!

Sounds like that whistle needs a new battery!

Whoever told you vertical stripes were slimming was lying to you...

We could hear that whistle better if you'd pull your head out of your ass?

Those who can, do! Those who can't, ref!

We should all pick a game and show up. Like a bunch of us, and just go off!!!!

HAHAHA

First person to make Dviss laugh during gamer play gets something... a prize.

 

[illmatic99]

If a team rattles off a 10-0 run on us do you want us to have to wait for a dead ball to call time? I don't.

Players anytime. Coaches at a dead ball.

A made basket is a dead ball.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

It doesn't address a problem. This is not fixing anything.

It fixes my OCD

 

[BlazerCaravan]

A made basket is a dead ball.

Yep

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I musta skipped the part where 14ft baskets are mentioned. GTFO

 

[dviss1]

A made basket is a dead ball.

No its not. Is there a whistle? Nope. Referee whistles the ball dead.

 

[illmatic99]

No its not. Is there a whistle? Nope. Referee whistles the ball dead.

Not per fiba rules from what i understand.

 

[dviss1]

It will take longer. Punish. Don't just ignore. Not talking about the child of course.

The speeding analogy actually backs my point. The tickets don't stop people from speeding. I see it and do it every day. But if I knew I only needed to be busted twice for speeding and I would have my license suspended? Now were talking...

Removing a player from the game until they want to PLAY the game is all good by me. I'm just saying like you did, the fines don't work.
Ignoring speeders wouldn't work either, EVERYONE would speed then because they get somewhere faster.

Ignoring the floppers wouldn't provide them a benefit, but they will continue to do so in the off chance they can fool the ref. Lets remember, a ref calls a flop a foul because he was fooled. Not because he thinks the flop was actually a foul... or he is fooled into thinking so. So how do you ignore what you don't really know, or are fooled into thinking something else?

Must be a punishment.

Eye for an Eye.

Just like prohibition stops drug use right?

Bro, I'm speaking from experience.
Quick story:

I'm doing a varsity Forest Grove vs Lincoln. After the captain's meeting the little point guard tells me

"We take a lot of charges".

I tell him:

"you'll get every one you earn tonight".

The first 2 block/charge decisions I have make are complete flops (what I expected tbh). I give him eye contact while he's on the ground to let him know I see what happened. I smirk and leave his ass on the floor. A 3rd one (in a row) happens. He looks at me, again while on the ground, and says

"C'mon ref!"

I make eye contact again, smile and say:

"You can't play defense or offense on your butt can you? Get up and stop flopping."

Now, I've made it abundantly clear that I'll leave you on the floor and you will be a detriment to your team while you're there. Afterward we're administering a free throw and the coach says:

"We took 65 charges last season."

I say:

"If your kids keep flopping you won't see one called tonight."

This all happened within the first 4 mins of the game. There were no more flops the rest of the game.

This is the tactic we use and that's why there isn't a rampant flopping problem in NCAA/NFHS.

 

[dviss1]

Not per fiba rules from what i understand.

You're not correct. When the player takes the ball out after a made basket the clock does not stop. Hence the term dead ball.

 

[dviss1]

So basically when the above tactic is used, the kid understands how that call is going to be made so he self corrects. The coach understands the same thing and he has to coach his kids up. Everyone from players, coaches, the table, and fans have to adjust to the officiating.

 

[dviss1]

But if I knew I only needed to be busted twice for speeding and I would have my license suspended? Now were talking...

Removing a player from the game until they want to PLAY the game is all good by me. I'm just saying like you did, the fines don't work.

Ignoring the floppers wouldn't provide them a benefit, but they will continue to do so in the off chance they can fool the ref. Lets remember, a ref calls a flop a foul because he was fooled. Not because he thinks the flop was actually a foul... or he is fooled into thinking so. So how do you ignore what you don't really know, or are fooled into thinking something else?

Must be a punishment.

Eye for an Eye.

Not to sound like an ass but your last paragraph is not speaking from the experience of actually changing player behavior. It's a bit of armchair Quarterbacking. The first paragraph I completely agree with.

In NCAA/NFHS "faking being fouled" is a tech. I've yet to see a ref enforce it. Not sure if I want to be that ref but damn... techs would work. When a ref FINALLY does... I'm going to make sure to get the video.

(fap, fap, fap)

 

[Orion Bailey]

Just like prohibition stops drug use right?

Bro, I'm speaking from experience.
Quick story:

I'm doing a varsity Forest Grove vs Lincoln. After the captain's meeting the little point guard tells me

"We take a lot of charges".

I tell him:

"you'll get every one you earn tonight".

The first 2 block/charge decisions I have make are complete flops (what I expected tbh). I give him eye contact while he's on the ground to let him know I see what happened. I smirk and leave his ass on the floor. A 3rd one (in a row) happens. He looks at me, again while on the ground, and says

"C'mon ref!"

I make eye contact again, smile and say:

"You can't play defense or offense on your butt can you? Get up and stop flopping."

Now, I've made it abundantly clear that I'll leave you on the floor and you will be a detriment to your team while you're there. Afterward we're administering a free throw and the coach says:

"We took 65 charges last season."

I say:

"If your kids keep flopping you won't see one called tonight."

This all happened within the first 4 mins of the game. There were no more flops the rest of the game.

This is the tactic we use and that's why there isn't a rampant flopping problem in NCAA/NFHS.

Good Analogy. I understand now. I took ignoring as literal.

Not to sound like an ass but your last paragraph is not speaking from the experience of actually changing player behavior. It's a bit of armchair Quarterbacking. The first paragraph I completely agree with.

I get it based on how you described above. all good.

 

[dviss1]

Not per fiba rules from what i understand.

I won't argue with you anymore. I know the rule. A dead ball is always with a stopped clock. You keep saying "from what you understand" just look up the rule and prove yourself right.

Edit: Oops. Already responded. My mistake.

 

[Strenuus]

Just like prohibition stops drug use right?

Bro, I'm speaking from experience.
Quick story:

I'm doing a varsity Forest Grove vs Lincoln. After the captain's meeting the little point guard tells me

"We take a lot of charges".

I tell him:

"you'll get every one you earn tonight".

The first 2 block/charge decisions I have make are complete flops (what I expected tbh). I give him eye contact while he's on the ground to let him know I see what happened. I smirk and leave his ass on the floor. A 3rd one (in a row) happens. He looks at me, again while on the ground, and says

"C'mon ref!"

I make eye contact again, smile and say:

"You can't play defense or offense on your butt can you? Get up and stop flopping."

Now, I've made it abundantly clear that I'll leave you on the floor and you will be a detriment to your team while you're there. Afterward we're administering a free throw and the coach says:

"We took 65 charges last season."

I say:

"If your kids keep flopping you won't see one called tonight."

This all happened within the first 4 mins of the game. There were no more flops the rest of the game.

This is the tactic we use and that's why there isn't a rampant flopping problem in NCAA/NFHS.

You are a god.

 

[Strenuus]

How I interpret dead ball in my opinion is that the only way the ball comes back into play is when the ref allows it by blowing his whistle and handing the ball to the player... if the players play the ball immediately after anything, it's not a dead ball.

 

[dviss1]

How I interpret dead ball in my opinion is that the only way the ball comes back into play is when the ref allows it by blowing his whistle and handing the ball to the player... if the players play the ball immediately after anything, it's not a dead ball.

A dead ball happens whenever my whistle is blown. It stops the clock. I don't have to blow my whistle to start play. I do it at key moments like the start of the game or quarter. Or if a huge play happens that causes a good amount of crowd noise. I always whistle the play dead though (fouls, infractions, timeouts).

 

[Strenuus]

A dead ball happens whenever my whistle is blown. It stops the clock. I don't have to blow my whistle to start play. I do it at key moments like the start of the game or quarter. Or if a huge play happens that causes a good amount of crowd noise. I always whistle the play dead though (fouls, infractions, timeouts).

You said it better, and I realized my error in how I worded it. But yes, this is what I -meant- to say lol.