What stats do people expect from the SF position?

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blue32 said:
I expect someone that shows the fuck up every god damned night. Not just every three games for 7 fucking years, while they get paid 10s of millions of dollars.

Fuck Batum. The guy gave us mediocre effort for his entire Blazer career, probably the only thing he was consistent with.
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That's a funny post!
 
I'm not defending Batum, I'm looking for alternatives and ideas. I'm having a hard time trying to find a similar player. Considering that a lot of you think Batum is way overpaid I'm having a really hard time trying to find a similar player that makes less money.

I'm asking about stats because some of you are great at breaking things down. If you can show that we would be the same or better with a rebounding only sf or a scoring only...

The only other alternative I'm coming up with is if the development of Meyers, can he had assists to his game? I 3pt shooting, 5 assist per game center would be a great weapon and we wouldn't need Batum anymore.
 
I'm not sure there is a similar player to Batum and I hate that word " Potential " so I won't use it. You just have to ask yourself if your OK with paying a player with great skills 10+ mill and doesn't bring it every night.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I'm not sure there is a similar player to Batum and I hate that word " Potential " so I won't use it. You just have to ask yourself if your OK with paying a player with great skills 10+ mill and doesn't bring it every night.
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No, lot of the reasons I disliked Sheed are some of the reasons Nic is wearing on me.

I just don't think it matters to him and this hurts the team. And THAT doesn't matter to him. I've seen enough. Even if he is destined for a great year due to it being a contract year...

I'VE SEEN ENOUGH.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
In the playoffs Batum averaged:

14.4 points per game.

8.6 rebounds per game.

5.2 assists per game.

That's not bad. Actually it's pretty good. I'd be happy with a SF that averaged 15/10/5 during the regular season.

Can Batum do that? Who is available that can?
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He shot 34% from the field in the playoffs and barely 40% in the regular season. I'd rather have a player with 11 ppg but efficient. It wasn't all Batum's fault but its meaningless to say you want a SF with X per game stats regardless of how he gets it.

Batum had a bad season and postseason but if he can return to his career averages he will be fine.

SlyPokerDog said:
Batum was #2 in the NBA in assists by SFs and #1 by a long shot in fewest turnovers per assist.
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A big reason for that was because he couldn't shoot worth crap and passed the ball when most players would have easy scoring opportunities. I want him to make the play that most often leads to Blazer points regardless if he gets the assist or bucket.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What SFs do you think we could sign or trade for this offseason that could give us those numbers?
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Middleton would be the target but even at a max salary Milwauke probably ends up matching.
 
I will tell you what, people that bitch about Batum would fucking hate DeRozan in no time if he was on our team.
 
Kind of a grass is greener crowd around here. Often without even looking over the fence.
 
Is it too much to ask that someone, who makes 250 times most peoples salary, to show at least a little bit of interest, and to expel just an ounce of effort on a regular basis?

Batum certainly doesn't look worth $230,000 a week to me!!

Despite, perhaps, a small drop off, I'm ready for a small forward who's at least willing to come prepared to work everyday.
 
WillG said:
Is it too much to ask that someone, who makes 250 times most peoples salary, to show at least a little bit of interest, and to expel just an ounce of effort on a regular basis?

Batum certainly doesn't look worth $230,000 a week to me!!

Despite, perhaps, a small drop off, I'm ready for a small forward who's at least willing to come prepared to work everyday.
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It makes you wonder how many of these dudes have watched good basketball before. The expectations from some of them are pretty minimal.

I will say this that I think Clyde's Blazers have ruined the game for me. The game just can't equate to what it once was.
 
jlprk said:
This only sorts for all forwards, not just SFs, but you tell me how you see that Batum is #1 in A/TO by a long shot. Did you just make it up?

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/advanced/?sort=AST_TO&dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular Season&PlayerPosition=F
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jlprk said:
This site doesn't have A/TO, so I had to get creative. Batum's Asst% divided by his TO% is 1.206 (= 20.5 / 17.0). Here are all players at the positions of F or F-G (but not G-F, F-C, or C-F, or you'd see a lot more listed who are better than him) who played more than 1000 minutes (or you'd see a lot more listed who are better than him) who exceeded Batum in Asst% to TO% ratio. Note that of the 18 forwards with a better Asst%/TO% ratio than Batum, Batum is by far the worst in TO%.

http://bkref.com/tiny/9f1FC

Again...Did you just make it up (that he ranks #1 by a mile in A/TO among SFs)? What is your source?
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SlyPokerDog said:
I was looking here - http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/p...gAssists/seasontype/2/position/small-forwards

#2 in assists and #1 in AST/TO
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Bumped for jlprk
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Only a few of you are answering the question, how many pts, assists and rebounds do you want from a starting SF?
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I want somewhere between 10-24 pts, 2-9 assists and 4-9 rebounds.

Its a flawed question so it'll never have a good answer. Those three stats by themselves are somewhat meaningless. It critical how efficiently those stats are produced. I want to know how the teams total offensive efficiency is correlated. A player could be a top5 SF with stats anywhere in that broad range it depends how they play off the other players, their defensive contributions. As many downsides as PER has its a vastly better metric than what your asking.
 
I don't understand why Batum doesn't give me a mani/pedi every saturday. He's certainly paid enough. Is it a coincidence that Sheed never did either? Or are both of them selfish French bastards?

barfo
 
OneLifeToLive said:
It makes you wonder how many of these dudes have watched good basketball before. The expectations from some of them are pretty minimal.

I will say this that I think Clyde's Blazers have ruined the game for me. The game just can't equate to what it once was.
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Gauranteed contracts.
Once it's signed, then some players are playing to 'not get injured' - so they can reap that next contract on the horizon. It means they don't go all out, and are not as competitive. It's more akin to a 'millionaires club' shoot-around.

Todays NBA pales in comparison to the late 80's - 90's.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Bumped for jlprk
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Yeah, yeah, I just noticed it and am reading the thread. If you're right, I'll acknowledge it tonight, but I want to analyze it for awhile later tonight to learn how his A/TO can be high when he is such a sucky passer.

Batum has always had a good box score line with no zeroes, which jacks up his PER--I used to praise him for it when he was a rookie--yet had minimal effect upon the game. Judging him by stats ignores his disappearances every game at scoring, except on wide open opportunities. He concentrates on defense and passing to compensate for his permanent scoring vacation. So the whole premise of the thread--that his stats are so good--is irrelevant.

Anyway, if you're right about his A/TO, I'll announce that you are the greatest moderator in history. I'll get to it tonight.
 
You don't get the award till I say so!

Just for that, I'm clicking over to the space news. You'll have to read your praise in the morning, while singing your morning vespers.
 
jlprk said:
You don't get the award till I say so!

Just for that, I'm clicking over to the space news. You'll have to read your praise in the morning, while singing your morning vespers.
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Oh yeah, I forgot!

SLYPOKERDOG IS THE GREATEST MODERATOR IN HISTORY.

And I haven't even had time to verify that yet!

But I'm sure it's true, whether or not he's wrong.
 
jlprk said:
Oh yeah, I forgot!

SLYPOKERDOG IS THE GREATEST MODERATOR IN HISTORY.

And I haven't even had time to verify that yet!

But I'm sure it's true, whether or not he's wrong.
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I think igoudala could be great for you and he could be available with the w's trying to stay under the tax. Salary isn't horrible, very good secondary ball handler, very good defender,unselfish...on a good team he is much more than his stats show.

Or ariza.
 
WarriorFan said:
I think igoudala could be great for you and he could be available with the w's trying to stay under the tax. Salary isn't horrible, very good secondary ball handler, very good defender,unselfish...on a good team he is much more than his stats show.
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Since you're in a sharing mood, we'll take Draymond Green.

But seriously. You'll need Iguodala when Green leaves for Detroit.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Since you're in a sharing mood, we'll take Draymond Green.

But seriously. You'll need Iguodala when Green leaves for Detroit.
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I think, if green leaves, some team will be very disappointed with him. He's one of those guys that looks very good when he's surrounded by good players but looks overmatched when he is one of the best players on the team. Last year you could really see this difference when he came off the bench and then see him excel when he was in with starters. Jackson's hockey style substitutions didn't help him out any either. He certainly is not a max player like many people are talking about.
 
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