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I keep hearing that, but as far as I can tell it's because (a) he's on a good cheap contract, but (b) it's expiring. (a) is a reason to KEEP him, and also a reason why we wouldn't get fair value in a trade, and (b) is a reason why no other team would want him, so I just don't see it. I guess the assumption is either that we'll lose him for nothing as a FA or that he'll cost too much to re-sign (and the focus will be on Grant). Okay, that makes a LITTLE more sense, but if you look at the stats, Hart is actually more valuable to us than Grant, and will be cheaper, so why aren't people saying Grant will get traded? Because they think it'll piss Dame off? Because he was a "splashier" acquisition?

I like Hart... I'm not sure if he's more valuable than Grant, but he certainly provides something different that is of value.

I'm guessing Grant won't be traded because there was a handsake agreement on the extension before he came to Portland, something that was unlikely to be included when we traded for Hart.
 
It seems that a lot of you would like to trade both Nurk and Simons. How about Simons to the Spurs for Poeltl and McDermott? Nurk and filler to Toronto for O.G.

Simons has much more value than Poeltl. As far as Nurk and filler for OG, I’d love that but OG is worth way more than that.
 
Simons has much more value than Poeltl. As far as Nurk and filler for OG, I’d love that but OG is worth way more than that.

It would probably have to be a 3- way trade, with the Spurs sending more assets to the Raptors.
 
If I were to buy a jersey this season it would be a Josh Hart jersey. I've wanted a guy like him on this team for a long time. I actually like for all the 3Js to stick around.
 
If they tear this team apart….HART is NOT the player to get rid of.
But if they want to tinker, he has a reasonable, easy to move contract...

It's not always about the value of the player, sometimes it's the contract...

And yes. I. As well, would hate to see Hart traded
 
But if they want to tinker, he has a reasonable, easy to move contract...

It's not always about the value of the player, sometimes it's the contract...

And yes. I. As well, would hate to see Hart traded

nobody wants to see him go…but they are not going to sign him to a long term deal to be the starting SF.
He’s the first and maybe only to go at the deadline
 
I think the only way Hart would be traded is if he tells management he doesn't want to come back here.

I hope he doesn't get traded, but hope this year hasn't meant for shit. Hope in one hand and shit in the other and see what you get first.
 
If we fucking trade Josh Hart I swear I will burn SOMETHING to the ground
And if we let him walk...

And if we sign him to a very large contract...

Honestly, trading him now for ANYTHING is better that the alternatives. That's not a slight against him as a player (although he has had a remarkable aversion to bring on good teams). It's just what it is.
 
Can we bring someone that can dribble the ball and play off the bench? That bench unit sucks. Getting someone like Rubio would be amazing.
 
It would probably have to be a 3- way trade, with the Spurs sending more assets to the Raptors.
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In general, I'd see Poeltl as an upgrade over Nurk, and OG as an upgrade over Simons, so I'd most certainly be in favor of a deal like this.
 
If we were to trade dame, when is the earliest we can trade him? I’ve been seeing it’s July?
 
Vassel has been playing really well for S.A. unsure they make that move.
Oh, I see that you're right. I haven't been paying much (any) attention to the Spurs, so I didn't realize.
 
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The Blazers will trade him for Crowder watch.

What’s wrong with Crowder is he too old? If we are going to continue with Dame we can’t be going young all the time. The Blazers will have to be targeting more veteran players.
 
And if we let him walk...

And if we sign him to a very large contract...

Honestly, trading him now for ANYTHING is better that the alternatives.

You're giving a false trilemma. We could re-sign him to a reasonable contract. It happened with Nas (although probably because of his injury history). You're assuming we'll do what we have in the past and bid against ourselves. I don't see the market for him as huge because his value isn't evident when you look at his scoring numbers.

(although he has had a remarkable aversion to being on good teams).
 
Well, you can’t blame the defense. Only 4 teams have played better defense in the last 10 games.

But only 4 teams have played worst offensively..,

 
Well, you can’t blame the defense. Only 4 teams have played better defense in the last 10 games.

But only 4 teams have played worst offensively..,



Blazers have lost5 in a row and 6 of the last 7 games. In those games they have shot 30.5% on three's and averaged 18 turnovers. What's crazy is that Portland's season average on three's is 37.1% (0n 33.3 attempts) and their average on turnovers is 15.8

if the Blazers would have shot their season average on three's they'd have score 5.5 more points/game. And if you say a turnover is worth a 2 point margin (based upon points/possessions), then Portland would have had close to 10 more points in differentials simply by shooting their norm on three's and taking care of the ball at their normal rate. They would have very likely won all 7 games

I'm not really sure how much of that is correctable and by how far. But it does suggest, for the most part, that the Blazers are desperate for one more EFFICIENT facilitator (like a point-guard or point-forward) and one more solid three point shooter. Which kind of looks like a trade deadline target list.

I know it probably not as simple as this but here goes: Portland's backup 'PG' in Justice Winslow. Blazers are 3-8 without Winslow. So, he could solve their turnover problem. But he sure wouldn't solve their 3 point shooting problem
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* Denver is looking pretty strong this season. A lot better than last season. It helps they have Murray back but they really struck gold by trading for KCP. he's shooting 48% on three's this year and he's a good defender. Been a real 3-&-D gem....so far; because just like Grant, he's so far above his norm in 3pt% you really have to believe he's bound to regress. But maybe not by a lot

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when I was thinking about Blazer turnovers I got to wonder how much a turnover was worth in points for opponent and last points for your team. I realized it could just be quick and dirty math using median points/possessions in the NBA. Before that I asked the question on google and got this result:

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my first thought was what a miss by google. Then I thought, maybe for Blazer fans watching all of the Blazer turnovers a discussion about liver disease is right on point
 
What’s wrong with Crowder is he too old? If we are going to continue with Dame we can’t be going young all the time. The Blazers will have to be targeting more veteran players.

I didn't say anything was wrong with him.
 
If they tear this team apart….HART is NOT the player to get rid of.


So Hart is a guy you build around? Love the guys passion and effort but talent he’s definitely not a guy you build around. If I was tearing down the team I’d build around guys with the most upside Simon and Sharpe. That said if your close to winning championship I’d want a guy like Hart on my team just not as a starter
 
That isn't what he said at all.

we’ll sort of did

“If they tear this team apart….HART is NOT the player to get rid of.”

i get his point and understand why he wouldn’t want to get rid of Hart but if you’re rebuilding you don’t need Hart to be part of the rebuild
 
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