What to do at SF (post-TPE)

[Propagandist]

His stats are not the issue I have with him, his stats are ok because he plays way too many minutes. Give Thomas Robinson his minutes and he gives you 14 and 14, compare this with Aminu's numbers are realize he's not even nearly as good as Thomas Robinson

So I looked it up. For this where-in-the-fuck Russian team, Thomas Robinson averaged 8.5 pts and 5.7 rebounds. Lol.

Sidenote: the top scorer on that team? Good old Alexey Shved. Household names.

Pick another player that'd be better than Chief. This is fun!

(and if you wanted verification that he's not averaging 14 and 14: https://en.bckhimki.ru/mainteam/stat/)

 

[Propagandist]

And still he would give us much more in Aminu's minutes. proves my point

Seriously, man. I just woke up one of my kids laughing. This is great.

 

[Propagandist]

IF you didn't have shit for eyes. and knowing you watched both Aminu and T-Rob play basketball, you'll realize you're the fools

Again! Comedy gold! "SHIT FOR EYES"?!? Amazing.

 

[Propagandist]

IF you didn't have shit for eyes. and knowing you watched both Aminu and T-Rob play basketball, you'll realize you're the fools

I want you to know @Blazer4ever that for the rest of my life, when I disagree with someone, I'm going to tell them they have "shit for eyes." I fucking love it! Thank you.

 

[hoopsjock]

So I looked it up. For this where-in-the-fuck Russian team, Thomas Robinson averaged 8.5 pts and 5.7 rebounds. Lol.

Sidenote: the top scorer on that team? Good old Alexey Shved. Household names.

Pick another player that'd be better than Chief. This is fun!

(and if you wanted verification that he's not averaging 14 and 14: https://en.bckhimki.ru/mainteam/stat/)

In Russia 8.5 points and 5.7 rebounds converts to 14 and 14 in the NBA.

 

[Blazer4ever]

So I looked it up. For this where-in-the-fuck Russian team, Thomas Robinson averaged 8.5 pts and 5.7 rebounds. Lol.

Sidenote: the top scorer on that team? Good old Alexey Shved. Household names.

Pick another player that'd be better than Chief. This is fun!

(and if you wanted verification that he's not averaging 14 and 14: https://en.bckhimki.ru/mainteam/stat/)

In how many minutes per game?

per 36 minutes:

TRob - 13 points, 13 rebounds
Aminu - 11 points, 8.5 Rebounds

@BonesJones

The comparison is only in their NBA careers

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Thomas Robinson&player_id1_select=Thomas Robinson&player_id1=robinth01&player_id2_hint=Al-Farouq Aminu&player_id2_select=Al-Farouq Aminu&player_id2=aminual01&idx=players

 

[hoopsjock]

In how many minutes per game?

per 36 minutes:

TRob - 13 points, 13 rebounds
Aminu - 11 points, 8.5 Rebounds

@BonesJones

The comparison is only in their NBA careers

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Thomas Robinson&player_id1_select=Thomas Robinson&player_id1=robinth01&player_id2_hint=Al-Farouq Aminu&player_id2_select=Al-Farouq Aminu&player_id2=aminual01&idx=players

How do you explain T-Rob's crappy stats in Russia last year?

 

[Blazer4ever]

How do you explain T-Rob's crappy stats in Russia last year.

He didn't play much, when he played he's been effective, like throughout his career.
Aminu on the other hand plays way too much

 

[hoopsjock]

He didn't play much, when he played he's been effective, like throughout his career.
Aminu on the other hand plays way too much

So a player that couldn't cut it in the NBA and now isn't good enough to play in a crappy Russian league is simply being held back again? That's a pretty poor argument.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So a player that couldn't cut it in the NBA and now isn't good enough to play in a crappy Russian league is simply being held back again? That's a pretty poor argument.

I’m playing Devils advocate here a little so please take this with a very large chunk of salt...

I always liked watching T rob play, was he a good basketball player? Not really. He was / is an athletic freak though, and he had some spectacular highlights.

I’m my opinion his biggest problem was in between his ears, he seemed sort of uncoachable, just kind of did whatever he wanted out there. I think you could mAke the “eye test” arguement that when just casually watching T-rob’s natural athletic abilities really pop out. When you watch him closely though he’s constantly out of positions on both sides of the ball, has a tendency to be out of control and seemed to not really pay attention to what the team / coach needed from him.

T-robs career kind of resembles what it seems like Meyers Leonard’s career should’ve been. Just one had a GM fall in love with something(?) my guess is Meyers 3 point shooting.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Back in the day, I used to say I would rather see T-Rob on the floor than Leonard. They were both clueless and messed up frequently - but at least T-Rob played hard while Leonard often just stood around and watched.

As for Aminu, I have no problem having one guy like that in the rotation. Hustle guys have their value, even if they aren't pretty about it. The problem, is that you can't have Aminu and Hark (or any of our other SF candidates) on the floor together. You leave the Blazers playing 2.5 on 5 on offense.

 

[tlongII]

I'm not making up crap. Saying Aminu has less skills than most posters here is a fact, if you think Aminu is a talented basketball player what stats can support this?

Come on dude. This is a ridiculous post. How many posters here have played D1 ball? Much less NBA.

Are you Mixum?

 

[Orion Bailey]

I appreciate you having Bones' back, but let's avoid the personal stuff, shall we?

Thanks for the edited tag. Helps.

I'm sorry, I have no problelm with you. but this @BonesJones dude always tries to make me look like I'm just saying stuff, inaccurately thinking I know more basketball than some people here and this is just the perfect example.
How a majority of the posters in this forum think Aminu is a good player is beyond me. The one person speaking the truth is a lonely place to be so I can seem condescending but i'm actually really am disappointed by your views

You do. You already said no one on this forum has more knowledge than you. From that point on, nobody will take you seriously. Now your bitching about it?? Reap what you sow dude.

 

[Orion Bailey]

No, you are trying to pick fights. i'm looking for the one poster here that would agree with me that Aminu isn't someone he wants starting for his team and I can't find none

BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG......

 

[Wizard Mentor]

1) The eye test is a valid metric, but one that can have serious flaws. However, it's really surprising to me that anyone, in this millenium would completely eschew statistical evidence.

2) It is also strange that @Blazer4ever and I have such disparate eye-tests. Yes, Aminu can "look" awkward out there. But, not only do I not think that Aminu is worse than the posters on s2, I think Aminu could have taken down the entire 3-on-3 basketball tournament, 1-on-3.

Fun story:
One time a team of ex-blazers came to my small town and participated in a charity basketball game. The blazers were very lackadaisical because they didn't want to ruin the fun of a charity event. Put another way, they would intentionally play down to their competition. Some young guys let their egos get the better of them and tried to outdo the blazers. The Blazers squashed them like bugs. When my team and I got on the court, they basically let us shoot if we weren't too close to the basket. I went 3-for-3 hitting my outside shots. I was passed the ball again and I was open. As I went to take the shot, Darnell Valentine decided that I had scored enough and went to block my shot, Shit! I got somewhat nervous of course, but I wasn't going to get my shot blocked no matter how long and quick this dude was. So, I put extra arc on the shot and it wasn't blocked. Unfortunately, the ball flew up into the air and went 1 foot shy of the basket - air ball. I had always assumed that Valentine was 6'5" out there because he could so easily block my shot (I'm 5'10" in shoes). I just looked it up.... Valentine is 6'1". Shit, again. Side Note: I couldn't possibly imagine getting my shot off against a 60-something year old Darrall Imhoff who also was playing for the blazers - he's listed as 6'10". I'm pretty Effing sure that only 1 or 2 people on s2 (maybe less) could even get a shot off against the superlong Aminu.

 

[Orion Bailey]

And still he would give us much more in Aminu's minutes. proves my point

No. I don't think it does....



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[BonesJones]

In how many minutes per game?

per 36 minutes:

TRob - 13 points, 13 rebounds
Aminu - 11 points, 8.5 Rebounds

@BonesJones

The comparison is only in their NBA careers

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Thomas Robinson&player_id1_select=Thomas Robinson&player_id1=robinth01&player_id2_hint=Al-Farouq Aminu&player_id2_select=Al-Farouq Aminu&player_id2=aminual01&idx=players

BPM
Aminu: -0.1
T-Rob: -3.2

TS%
Aminu: 51% (including when he couldn't hit 3s)
T-Rob: 48%

Win Shares
Aminu: 21.6
T-Rob: 4.6

VORP:
Aminu: 6.9
T-Rob: -1.3

Want more?

 

[BonesJones]

He didn't play much, when he played he's been effective, like throughout his career.
Aminu on the other hand plays way too much

He's been a horribly inefficient (48 TS%) turnover machine (0.6 assists for every turnover) that has no value on the defensive end.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Come on dude. This is a ridiculous post. How many posters here have played D1 ball? Much less NBA.

Are you Mixum?

These type of things really bother me. NBA players who are "trash" are so much better at basketball than like 99% of the planet. When 10-12 years ago I was a good basketball player, starter in HS, small college (Canada) played all the freaking time. I have played against d1 players and while I could hold my own for stretches the fact is those guys are incredible and whats more is none of those guys were NBA players. It is utterly ridiculous to say a good role player in the NBA has less skill than us common people.
People gotta really watch out saying those guys are awful, or whatever and remember it's just that they aren't good enough for the competition they're with, don't get into this oh I'm better than that guy crap because it's stuuuuupid.
Of course you have guys here or there who are really only even on a team because they're tall and athletic, but even most of those guys are better than people like me. I can't speak for everyone for all I know there are NBA players or a bunch of d1 or better basketball players here, but in almost all the circles I find myself in, in real life people think I'm really good at basketball, but it's just relative to how good they are, compared to nba players I'm like a toddler and even in my best shape ever I wasn't all that close.

 

[Blazer4ever]

BPM
Aminu: -0.1
T-Rob: -3.2

TS%
Aminu: 51% (including when he couldn't hit 3s)
T-Rob: 48%

Win Shares
Aminu: 21.6
T-Rob: 4.6

VORP:
Aminu: 6.9
T-Rob: -1.3

Want more?

Yes, but only if you can explain what they mean

 

[Blazer4ever]

BPM
Aminu: -0.1
T-Rob: -3.2

TS%
Aminu: 51% (including when he couldn't hit 3s)
T-Rob: 48%

Win Shares
Aminu: 21.6
T-Rob: 4.6

VORP:
Aminu: 6.9
T-Rob: -1.3

Want more?

Your problem is you trust stats with initials like VORP more than you trust your eyes.
"Give me data", you don't have eyes?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Your problem is you trust stats with initials like VORP more than you trust your eyes.
"Give me data", you don't have eyes?

My eyes tell me Trobs not getting minutes in Russia and Aminu is a starter on an NBA team...
For the record Trob was an NBA level athlete that lacked the more “intangible” skill sets to thrive in the NBA, but part of being an NBA basketball player is being coachable, learning your craft, knowing the sport. Lots of great athletes aren’t good basketball players.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Your problem is you trust stats with initials like VORP more than you trust your eyes.
"Give me data", you don't have eyes?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yes, but only if you can explain what they mean

But. You have more knowledge than anyone here. You don't know what they mean?

Your problem is you trust stats with initials like VORP more than you trust your eyes.
"Give me data", you don't have eyes?

This is maybe the worst post yet. And im gonna take a break for a while.

I don't have enough NBA knowledge to have a discussion with people here...

Fucking ridiculous......

 

[dviss1]

Maybe in his dimension Thomas Robinson is the gold standard for which all other players are compared to.

Like comparing David Hasselhoff in America to what Germans think of him.

 

[hoopsjock]

Yes, but only if you can explain what they mean

For some reason I knew that you wouldn't have any clue what those stats meant.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

For some reason I knew that you wouldn't have any clue what those stats meant.

To be fair there’s like a new acronym for some random stat, someone threw together like every week... Not that this one is new but it’s hard to keep up.

 

[hoopsjock]

To be fair there’s like a new acronym for some random stat, someone threw together like every week... Not that this one is new but it’s hard to keep up.

I understand that but if someone is claiming they have more basketball knowledge than someone else, that person can't just claim eye test for every argument. They can't just dismiss someone's stats because they don't understand them.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I understand that but if someone is claiming they have more basketball knowledge than someone else, that person can't just claim eye test for every argument. They can't just dismiss someone's stats because they don't understand them.

The more you know about something, the more you realize how much you have to learn.

 

[BonesJones]

Your problem is you trust stats with initials like VORP more than you trust your eyes.
"Give me data", you don't have eyes?

I trust my eyes, but the "eye test" is subjective and influenced by bias. Meanwhile, statistics are derived directly from what happens on the court, and serves as an unbiased, detailed reflection of productivity.

Those who don't understand stats or have an argument that goes against stats will always say "Stats don't matter" without saying why certain stats aren't an accurate reflection or productivity, or "Stats are misleading" without providing the missing context that's being withheld to make the stats "misleading".