What to do at SF (post-TPE)

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blue9 said:
He's a slightly above average defender (if we're being generous) who can guard SF/PF, and doesn't get totally wrecked when he has to switch onto a PG/SG.
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"Slightly above average"? @BonesJones Bro, you've gotta make a video breakdown of how much shading and switching and shunting and so forth that Chief provides in any given game. Chief is defensive glue. Rarely will I say "what [said player] provides doesn't necessarily show up in the box score," but in Chief's case, it's true.
 
blue9 said:
He's a slightly above average defender (if we're being generous) who can guard SF/PF, and doesn't get totally wrecked when he has to switch onto a PG/SG.
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Crazy Question: What other players in the league can guard SF/PF while not getting "totally wrecked" when they have to switch onto a PG/SG who makes less than $10 mil/year?
 
dviss1 said:
Y'all are trippin. Harkless isn't a bad dribbler or passer.

He isn't a world beater with these skills but let's not push the narrative that he's bad at them, because he's not.

Say what y'all want, but when he's completely engaged, he's a better player than Aminu.
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Doesn't matter if he's better, because the key is something you mention: WHEN he is engaged.

He's engaged like 15-20 games every season, so it's all moot.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Crazy Question: What other players in the league can guard SF/PF while not getting "totally wrecked" when they have to switch onto a PG/SG who makes less than $10 mil/year?
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Luc Richard M'bah-a-Moute?
 
yuyuza1 said:
Doesn't matter if he's better, because the key is something you mention: WHEN he is engaged.

He's engaged like 15-20 games every season, so it's all moot.
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Or...perhaps his benching last season was a turning point for him. He seemed to be pretty fully engaged from February on.
 
BonesJones said:
You tell me I'm wrong, when I'm just going off statistical evidence, and you're going off of...?
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This is fascinating. Sort that by PPP, and you see that Dame (and Meyers) are our most efficient post players. And it's not even close after that. Jusuf is incredibly bad at this, as are Collins/Swanigan. We need a big man coach who can teach footwork and basic fundamentals in the worst way possible.
 
Propagandist said:
"Slightly above average"? @BonesJones Bro, you've gotta make a video breakdown of how much shading and switching and shunting and so forth that Chief provides in any given game. Chief is defensive glue. Rarely will I say "what [said player] provides doesn't necessarily show up in the box score," but in Chief's case, it's true.
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He should also make one showing how often he's out of place, late, or lost while Danilo "Just Back From Injury" Gallinari repeatedly goes around him for uncontested layups.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Doesn't matter if he's better, because the key is something you mention: WHEN he is engaged.

He's engaged like 15-20 games every season, so it's all moot.
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In the past this is true. What we don't know is if this moment last March was a turning point or not.

https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/...s_case_of_moe_harkless_how_an_apology_tu.html

He played well after that. If it was a true turning point then he could easily be our best starting SF. But, if he goes back to his old ways, not so much.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Doesn't matter if he's better, because the key is something you mention: WHEN he is engaged.

He's engaged like 15-20 games every season, so it's all moot.
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Harkless shot 51% from 3 after the all star break. He was engaged in the second half of the season. And your post was unnecessary because I specifically said:

"but when he's completely engaged"
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Good one, let's make it a thing:

Example 1: Mbah-a-Moute (much worse than Aminu on Offense).
Example 2: ?
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Well, I wasn't really planning on trying to argue against Aminu, but...Jared Dudley, Kyle Anderson, either Morris twin, OG Anunoby...? I'm sure there are plenty others.
 
Scalma said:
Not the first time hes been benched.
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First time here. Seems pretty likely that (at age 21) he blamed the organization for his benching in Orlando, but based on his apology (which @Reep linked), he appears to have blamed himself for last season.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
First time here. Seems pretty likely that (at age 21) he blamed the organization for his benching in Orlando, but based on his apology (which @Reep linked), he appears to have blamed himself for last season.
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Reep said:
In the past this is true. What we don't know is if this moment last March was a turning point or not.

https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/...s_case_of_moe_harkless_how_an_apology_tu.html

He played well after that. If it was a true turning point then he could easily be our best starting SF. But, if he goes back to his old ways, not so much.
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What does it tell you when Neil openly admits to trying to improve the SF position this summer (even if he failed miserably)? Don't think the team has much faith in his ability to maintain that level of engagement.

It's a damn shame because an engaged Moe is exactly what this squad needs from that position.
 
yuyuza1 said:
What does it tell you when Neil openly admits to trying to improve the SF position this summer (even if he failed miserably)? Don't think the team has much faith in his ability to maintain that level of engagement.

It's a damn shame because an engaged Moe is exactly what this squad needs from that position.
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All true. And since we know with 99% certainty that no SF upgrades are coming anytime soon, I'm going to believe the best about Moe, because that's the best option we've got.

However, if a Jimmy Butler deal were on the table, and Harkless' inclusion were a linchpin, I'd show up at his door and help him pack.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
All true. And since we know with 99% certainty that no SF upgrades are coming anytime soon, I'm going to believe the best about Moe, because that's the best option we've got.

However, if a Jimmy Butler deal were on the table, and Harkless' inclusion were a linchpin, I'd show up at his door and help him pack.
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Unfortunately, I too don't see any viable replacements that can be better. Let's just hope he doesn't get complacent in working this summer as a result. He certainly did that when his development stagnated after getting paid.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Unfortunately, I too don't see any viable replacements that can be better. Let's just hope he doesn't get complacent in working this summer as a result. He certainly did that when his development stagnated after getting paid.
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Hopefully the Trent pick, the Stauskas addition, and Layman's summer league performance all provide sufficient motivation for Moe to put in the work necessary to avoid any speculation on the security of his role.
 
Anyone like the idea of trying to get Kelly Oubre Jr from the Wizards? His stats don't indicate that he's starter material yet, but he certainly has shown more than Layman so far. In addition to Otto Porter, Jr., the Wizards signed both Jeff Green and Troy Brown Jr this summer, so it looks like they have plenty of options at SF. Oubre's $3.2M salary would fit the Vonleh TPE, if the deep LT Wizards are interested in dumping him to save some money.
 
tester551 said:
You just hate Aminu because his 'style' is unconventional, so you think he's much worse.
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Make things up as you go along? Didn't read the thread correctly? Reading comprehension need work?

I love Aminu and what he brings to the team...
I just don't think he's a better starter than Moe.

WTF are you you talking about?
 
e_blazer said:
Anyone like the idea of trying to get Kelly Oubre Jr from the Wizards? His stats don't indicate that he's starter material yet, but he certainly has shown more than Layman so far. In addition to Otto Porter, Jr., the Wizards signed both Jeff Green and Troy Brown Jr this summer, so it looks like they have plenty of options at SF. Oubre's $3.2M salary would fit the Vonleh TPE, if the deep LT Wizards are interested in dumping him to save some money.
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He's a great value for them. If they're desperate to dump someone, not sure he'd be the guy. We'd have to send value to get him.

Reep said:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250878/Rockets-Pelicans-Interested-In-Kent-Bazemore
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He's owed as much as ET this upcoming season and will definitely pick up his option for the year after. Not sure he's an upgrade.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Hopefully the Trent pick, the Stauskas addition, and Layman's summer league performance all provide sufficient motivation for Moe to put in the work necessary to avoid any speculation on the security of his role.
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A second-round rookie and two players barely hanging onto their NBA careers (and arguably should not be on an NBA roster this year even).... That's not going to put too much stress on Moe.
 
dviss1 said:
Make things up as you go along? Didn't read the thread correctly? Reading comprehension need work?

I love Aminu and what he brings to the team...
I just don't think he's a better starter than Moe.

WTF are you you talking about?
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Sorry - was remembering several posts throughout the season and had you confused with another poster (Blue9) for a second. He consistently bags on Chief.
 
riverman said:
dude...I'm not arguing this point...I follow the games...I never check statistics to form my opinion of what I see players do but hey....you're welcome to disagree and use your method of observation....I still say Chief is in the paint more than Mo....agree to disagree...I think stats can be misleading...just like shooting percentages..Chief is on the court more than Mo as well
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You're talking about spending time in the paint and using rebounding as the stat.

Bones is talking about offensive post ups.

Apples/oranges
 
yuyuza1 said:
He's owed as much as ET this upcoming season and will definitely pick up his option for the year after. Not sure he's an upgrade.
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Probably not the best fit for starting SF. He would look great playing next to Dame, but can't see NO trading cj for an older player at that expense, and I don't see any good value propositions for either team in that trade.
 
e_blazer said:
Anyone like the idea of trying to get Kelly Oubre Jr from the Wizards? His stats don't indicate that he's starter material yet, but he certainly has shown more than Layman so far. In addition to Otto Porter, Jr., the Wizards signed both Jeff Green and Troy Brown Jr this summer, so it looks like they have plenty of options at SF. Oubre's $3.2M salary would fit the Vonleh TPE, if the deep LT Wizards are interested in dumping him to save some money.
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If the Wiz are interested shedding a wing to save some tax, Satoransky is the guy in whom I'm most interested.
 
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