What to do with Sharpe?

[tykendo]

Your comparing Dame and Ant's past performances to their future contracts.

Dame should be getting worse each year, peak basketball performance is normally in the 26-28 age range, Dame will be what 37 when his contract ends? Simons performance should be going up. If Simons doesn't significantly improve he's just an irrelevant role player on a terrible overpaid contract.

In terms of who can be a key part of a title; the most likely answer is probably neither. Second most likely answer is probably Simons improving in a few years, to where his value greatly exceeds his contract. The chance of Dame's value exceeding his contract in a way that enables a team to build a contender are him is much less likely.

Peak basketball performance is not an across the board thing. It's a player to player thing, and Dame is on another level than the average Joe.

 

[Natebishop3]

FIFY (pro tip: just replace the /reel/ part of the hyperlink with /p/ ):

He's such a quiet kid. In some ways he reminds me of Dame, but in others he reminds me more of a Kawhi. Someone who is quiet and just does their job. Not an extrovert.

I'm just hoping he's not an LMA. Quiet and constantly needing his ego stroked.

 

[Hoopguru]

His father Rob calls him Shae.

 

[theprunetang]

His father Rob calls him Shae.

Better keep him away from Tyrion Lannister.

 

[Hoopguru]

Better keep him away from Tyrion Lannister.

Tyrion cant jump as high as this Shae....

 

[theprunetang]

Tyrion cant jump as high as this Shae....

I hope a cool organic nickname develops for the kid, and I hope he deserves it. In the Kobe/Black Mamba vibe, I like Deadly Nightshade, but that would only come in time.

I imagine if he busts, everyone here going to be calling him Shaedon Sharte.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I hope a cool organic nickname develops for the kid, and I hope he deserves it. In the Kobe/Black Mamba vibe, I like Deadly Nightshade, but that would only come in time.

I imagine if he busts, everyone here going to be calling him Shaedon Sharte.

Triple”S”
Sharpe Shootin Shaedon

 

[Hoopguru]

I hope a cool organic nickname develops for the kid, and I hope he deserves it. In the Kobe/Black Mamba vibe, I like Deadly Nightshade, but that would only come in time.

I imagine if he busts, everyone here going to be calling him Shaedon Sharte.

How about Shaed....time to Pull the Shaed

 

[theprunetang]

How about Shaed....time to Pull the Shaed

I like Shaed over Shae cause it has a "d" in it.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

How about Shaed....time to Pull the Shaed

We don't pull the shaeds.... we peak through the blinds!

 

[Hoopguru]

I like Shaed over Shae cause it has a "d" in it.

Defense!

 

[Hoopguru]

We don't pull the shaeds.... we peak through the blinds!

Then give me some Shaed!

 

[Hoopguru]

Slim Shady or Rim Shady

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Your comparing Dame and Ant's past performances to their future contracts.

Dame should be getting worse each year, peak basketball performance is normally in the 26-28 age range, Dame will be what 37 when his contract ends? Simons performance should be going up. If Simons doesn't significantly improve he's just an irrelevant role player on a terrible overpaid contract.

In terms of who can be a key part of a title; the most likely answer is probably neither. Second most likely answer is probably Simons improving in a few years, to where his value greatly exceeds his contract. The chance of Dame's value exceeding his contract in a way that enables a team to build a contender are him is much less likely.

Kidd won his only title at age 38 and he was a BIG reason they won.

 

[Hoopguru]

Kidd won his only title at age 38.

Lowrey was 31 or 32 & Gasol 34 plus back up center 32

 

[Hoopguru]

Essentials Fear of God.....on his sweatshirt

 

[Tince]

I guess it comes down to your risk appetite. If you want the more certain chance to be a mediocre team Dame probably fits that role. If you want increased upside to gamble at being a contender one day but are willing to take the risk of having an overpaid role player as you say then Simons is the better choice.

I think risk factor is certainly a thing here. Would I trade Dame for the #1 pick in next years draft? Of course I would. Is there real risk to that? Yes, but it's a calculated risk where the probability favors a net-positive. In my opinion, building around Ant has a higher upside, but the probability is fairly strong the next 5 years is a net-negative.

Overall, since I plan on being a fan of this team for decades, I want them to make moves that are likely to yield a net-postive outcome. It was the same reason I was hesitant to move on from Stotts: It seemed likely the outcome would be a net-negative. And so far, it has been.

 

[andalusian]

Dame seems to enjoy pushing Sharpe...

 

[Haakzilla]

I like Shaed over Shae cause it has a "d" in it.

...you love the "D"?!

 

[theprunetang]

...you love the "D"?!

Bigly

 

[42N8Bounce]

Your comparing Dame and Ant's past performances to their future contracts.

Dame should be getting worse each year, peak basketball performance is normally in the 26-28 age range, Dame will be what 37 when his contract ends? Simons performance should be going up. If Simons doesn't significantly improve he's just an irrelevant role player on a terrible overpaid contract.

Yep. Peak performance is typically between ages 25 - 28.



It looks like Dame may have peaked at 29 -



Here's a look at Simons' PER chart so far -



At age 22, Simons had a PER of 15.2. Dame at that age had a PER of 16.4. Comparing anyone to Dame is a tough comp. Dame is in a league of his own in my opinion.

Watching the highlights of Sharpe so far, I'm excited, but he hasn't even played a regular season game. Before I anoint anyone the next leader of this team, I'd like to see at least a solid season or 2 out of them on a team that's not tanking.

 

[wizenheimer]

Yep. Peak performance is typically between ages 25 - 28.

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It looks like Dame may have peaked at 29 -

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Here's a look at Simons' PER chart so far -

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At age 22, Simons had a PER of 15.2. Dame at that age had a PER of 16.4. Comparing anyone to Dame is a tough comp. Dame is in a league of his own in my opinion.

Watching the highlights of Sharpe so far, I'm excited, but he hasn't even played a regular season game. Before I anoint anyone the next leader of this team, I'd like to see at least a solid season or 2 out of them on a team that's not tanking.

the graph for Dame seems deceptive. For one thing, the dive at 31 is almost certainly because of an injury, not because of his age. It's an outlier that because of placement is really deceptive

Dame was better at 30 than he was at 28 or 27. And he had a much bigger drop from 27 to 28 than he did from 29 to 30. For all we know, if he would have been healthy last season we might have seen the same upward variance from 30 to 31 we saw from 28 to 29.

obviously, Dame is aging, but I think that graph may very well be misrepresenting the situation by showing a huge decline that wasn't due to aging. That's not to say there isn't decline as players age...that's obviously true. By the way, you might want to plot Steve Nash's PER; he may be an outlier though. Chauncey had his best PER at 31; and his PER at 33 was better than 7 of his first 8 seasons. Bird's best PER was when he was 31, and that's when his back was bothering him

as far as Dame at 22 vs Simons at 22, keep in mind that was Dame's 1st season while it was Ant's 4th season. Obviously there was a big difference in roles, but Simons had played 2600 NBA minutes before he was 22; Dame had played none

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Btw- Curry looks pretty good and he’s 34. KD is also 34.

 

[wizenheimer]

Btw- Curry looks pretty good and he’s 34. KD is also 34.

Curry was Finals MVP when he was 34

 

[42N8Bounce]

the graph for Dame seems deceptive. For one thing, the dive at 31 is almost certainly because of an injury, not because of his age. It's an outlier that because of placement is really deceptive

Dame was better at 30 than he was at 28 or 27. And he had a much bigger drop from 27 to 28 than he did from 29 to 30. For all we know, if he would have been healthy last season we might have seen the same upward variance from 30 to 31 we saw from 28 to 29.

obviously, Dame is aging, but I think that graph may very well be misrepresenting the situation by showing a huge decline that wasn't due to aging. That's not to say there isn't decline as players age...that's obviously true. By the way, you might want to plot Steve Nash's PER; he may be an outlier though. Chauncey had his best PER at 31; and his PER at 33 was better than 7 of his first 8 seasons. Bird's best PER was when he was 31, and that's when his back was bothering him

as far as Dame at 22 vs Simons at 22, keep in mind that was Dame's 1st season while it was Ant's 4th season. Obviously there was a big difference in roles, but Simons had played 2600 NBA minutes before he was 22; Dame had played none

Totally agree. I certainly hope Dame’s best years are still ahead of him.

 

[wizenheimer]

Totally agree. I certainly hope Dame’s best years are still ahead of him.

personally, I doubt his best years are ahead of him, although he may be super-Dame this season. However, I'm thinking his decline will likely be fairly gradual over the next 3 years or so. Portland need to ramp down his minutes to the 32-33 range, at most

 

[KSF-ERIC]

personally, I doubt his best years are ahead of him, although he may be super-Dame this season. However, I'm thinking his decline will likely be fairly gradual over the next 3 years or so. Portland need to ramp down his minutes to the 32-33 range, at most

With "decline" comes wisdom. And that is why I believe Dame could win a title for us at the end of this contract.

 

[blazerkor]

After his first game you give him more touches, more playing time and tell him to be more aggressive/active on both ends of the court. This dude is going to be a superstar!!!

 

[Sheldon Shape]

What to do with Sharpe?

GTFO the way!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Listening to @BonesJones talk about him during the BlazersUprise postgame show, I misheard "Shaedon Shark", and I think a shark-related nickname might be appropriate. He's a killer.