What we “know”

[Sheldon Shape]

You’re in denial

How so? I asked you a question. You dodged it.

 

[kjironman1]

Baseless speculation.
The sale is going to auction. It's going to be almost entirely price based. They are still in the very early stages of the sales process.

That's kinda why I said it was a "Rumor".

 

[wizenheimer]

You think Clingan is ready to play 30 minutes a night and put up DA Numbers……A NIGHT!

Clingan averaged 28 minutes over the last 20 games. He didn't score like DA, but he doesn't shoot nearly as much. However, he rebounded at an elite level, especially on the offensive glass, and was an excellent rim protector Portland and paint defender; two things Ayton doesn't do

so yeah, I think he could play 30 minutes a night but probably won't need to

* Portland was +4.2 in rebounding with Clingan on the floor; they were -1.4 in rebounding with Ayton on the floor
* Portland's block rate was +2.2 with Clingan on the floor; it was -2.1 with Ayton on the floor
* Portland's offensive rating was +0.8 with Clingan on the floor; -0.3 with Ayton on the floor

* Portland's opponents had an offensive rating of 112.5 with Clingan on the floor; and a rating of 116.3 with him off the floor. They were -3.8 points worse facing Clingan
* Portland's opponents had an offensive rating of 118.4 with Ayton on the floor; and a rating of 113.6 with him off the floor. They were +4.8 points better facing Ayton

 

[GoZers]

How so? I asked you a question. You dodged it.

No. NBA teams are not going to post their draft boards publicly. Terrrific question and glad I could help.

 

[GoZers]

I would rather go with Shae at the 2 than Deni

Sure but if they’re trying to win now then guys like Grant and Timelord will play

 

[julius]

Trading a guy who played a grand total of 26 games over 2 years because he can't walk without getting injured should be a no brainer.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Trading a guy who played a grand total of 26 games over 2 years because he can't walk without getting injured should be a no brainer.

The only value he provides is his salary to make a trade happen. So it's gotta be him PLUS another player of significance.

 

[BrianFromWA]

You'd know a lot about having neither

I always had @THE HCP as a “good sense, common looks” kinda dude

 

[BrianFromWA]

Trading a guy who played a grand total of 26 games over 2 years because he can't walk without getting injured should be a no brainer.

You guys would know better, but how much of it was “keep him in bubble wrap in case there’s a deadline trade” vs. “we’d love to play him 20mpg but he keeps tearing things?”

 

[kjironman1]

What I know at this point for sure is that I'm really unhappy with where my Blazers are right now.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Clingan averaged 28 minutes over the last 20 games. He didn't score like DA, but he doesn't shoot nearly as much. However, he rebounded at an elite level, especially on the offensive glass, and was an excellent rim protector Portland and paint defender; two things Ayton doesn't do

so yeah, I think he could play 30 minutes a night but probably won't need to

* Portland was +4.2 in rebounding with Clingan on the floor; they were -1.4 in rebounding with Ayton on the floor
* Portland's block rate was +2.2 with Clingan on the floor; it was -2.1 with Ayton on the floor
* Portland's offensive rating was +0.8 with Clingan on the floor; -0.3 with Ayton on the floor

* Portland's opponents had an offensive rating of 112.5 with Clingan on the floor; and a rating of 116.3 with him off the floor. They were -3.8 points worse facing Clingan
* Portland's opponents had an offensive rating of 118.4 with Ayton on the floor; and a rating of 113.6 with him off the floor. They were +4.8 points better facing Ayton

Clingan also gives a shit and will do whatever it takes to help his team win.

Ayton just wants to float around on the perimeter, jack up inefficient jumpers, and get blown by on defense.

 

[THE HCP]

Only thing we know is Cronin is a complete tool and he even knows once there is a new owner he is out of a job and then will go on a spin doctor type tour blaming everyone so he can get another job in a few years ... bank on this

Still seems like you have a TON of pent up negativity. Wound so tight. Breath…..

 

[THE HCP]

Only that matters is unloading Grant and Timelord. I refuse to accept a opening night starting 5 of:
Jrue
Deni
Tou
Grant
Ayton

I promise you the the tank is over. Joe and CB are going to try to win EVERY game going forward. Whatever that takes, it’s on.

 

[THE HCP]

Clingan averaged 28 minutes over the last 20 games. He didn't score like DA, but he doesn't shoot nearly as much. However, he rebounded at an elite level, especially on the offensive glass, and was an excellent rim protector Portland and paint defender; two things Ayton doesn't do

so yeah, I think he could play 30 minutes a night but probably won't need to

* Portland was +4.2 in rebounding with Clingan on the floor; they were -1.4 in rebounding with Ayton on the floor
* Portland's block rate was +2.2 with Clingan on the floor; it was -2.1 with Ayton on the floor
* Portland's offensive rating was +0.8 with Clingan on the floor; -0.3 with Ayton on the floor

* Portland's opponents had an offensive rating of 112.5 with Clingan on the floor; and a rating of 116.3 with him off the floor. They were -3.8 points worse facing Clingan
* Portland's opponents had an offensive rating of 118.4 with Ayton on the floor; and a rating of 113.6 with him off the floor. They were +4.8 points better facing Ayton

WAY too much to read.

Right now on opening night DA gives us a better chance to win an NBA game than DC.

 

[THE HCP]

I always had @THE HCP as a “good sense, common looks” kinda dude

Only because your sister does…….. #BBBBBBBAM

 

[inconceivable]

The Jrue/Simons trade is not finalized and Cronin can't talk about it, meaning it could likely get expanded. Jrue could potentially be sent elsewhere.

The Blazers are continuously shopping at least Ayton and Williams and it appears they want Clingan starting next season. Though, Cronin said we could potentially go into next year with the current roster if moves don't happen, though it seems his plan is to make more moves.

Grant could be moved but is likely the hardest contract to get rid of.

all talk about rolling with 5 centers is just so we do not appear in urgent need to make a trade which diminishes our bargaining power, one or two of ayton robwill reath will be gone. ideally grant too but we need to find someone stupid to give us something good for him and his contract

 

[SharpesTriumph]

WAY too much to read.

Right now on opening night DA gives us a better chance to win an NBA game than DC.

By "we" do you mean the Lakers when they play the Blazers?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

No. NBA teams are not going to post their draft boards publicly. Terrrific question and glad I could help.

Much appreciated.

 

[Trailblazers76]

The Blazers aren’t done

Drafting Yang Jokic means RWIII is all but gone

This team still does stupid shit, way too much


What am I missing

I'm not sold on Cling Kong. I don't get it. I think he's a stiff. All I can see is big white man in the mold of Pryzbilla. I hope I'm wrong. At least Yang has some offensive game. It seems like a reasonable gamble. At 11 we probably weren't hoping for more than a solid starter at best, and we're already loaded with those. If we were going to take a swing on late pick superstar prayer, this was the time to do it. I think Ayton is gone too after next year if Yang pans out. A two headed monster of Clingan and Yang is an end result of the rebuild isn't bad.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

was RWIII ever really here?

He was. But then like Flash, gone a moment later. We should name him FlashWilliams.

 

[Everything Beagle]

I'm not sold on Cling Kong. I don't get it. I think he's a stiff. All I can see is big white man in the mold of Pryzbilla. I hope I'm wrong. At least Yang has some offensive game. It seems like a reasonable gamble.

I really liked Clingan’s defense before his injury last season; he was forcing teams to respect him. I think Yang is definitely the better prospect, for sure, but why not have both of them compete against each other in practice and get better, then trade off the asset you don’t want keep later?

 

[inconceivable]

I really liked Clingan’s defense before his injury last season; he was forcing teams to respect him. I think Yang is definitely the better prospect, for sure, but why not have both of them compete against each other in practice and get better, then trade off the asset you don’t want keep later?

One of them is gunna Jokic and the other Nurkic

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I really liked Clingan’s defense before his injury last season; he was forcing teams to respect him. I think Yang is definitely the better prospect, for sure, but why not have both of them compete against each other in practice and get better, then trade off the asset you don’t want keep later?

Quit being so logical!

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Did you miss the quotes?

Are those supposed to mean, what we “think” we know?

 

[wizenheimer]

WAY too much to read.

Right now on opening night DA gives us a better chance to win an NBA game than DC.

wrong again...

 

[BonesJones]

The Blazers aren’t done

Drafting Yang Jokic means RWIII is all but gone

This team still does stupid shit, way too much


What am I missing

I feel like we've had an iteration of this type of thread for the past few years where "Cronin's not done" when he actually is.

 

[blazerkor]

I feel like we've had an iteration of this type of thread the for the past few years where "Cronin's not done" when he actually is.

Yeah, I don't put it past Joe to bring 5 centers into camp... hell and at the end of the season, keep Jerami, burry our young talent on the bench and come up short of the play-in. I also don't think it's impossible that Joe moves Ayton, Rob and Jerami for meh player but less money in future salaries which would free up time to see if the guys Joe has drafted and others he's kept can win games with Jrue as their on floor general.

 

[wizenheimer]

Yeah, I don't put it past Joe to bring 5 centers into camp... hell and at the end of the season, keep Jerami, burry our young talent on the bench and come up short of the play-in. I also don't think it's impossible that Joe moves Ayton, Rob and Jerami for meh player but less money in future salaries which would free up time to see if the guys Joe has drafted and others he's kept can win games with Jrue as their on floor general.

I think all out ideas about Portland somehow getting 1st round picks for their vets were just fantasies. People here were dreaming about Orlando sending two 1st's for Ant. But the Blazers had to add two 2nd's to Simons to trade him for a 35 year old guard with a bad contract

Ayton-Grant? I think the best Portland could do is expiring contracts, and maybe a 2nd

 

[blazerkor]

I think all out ideas about Portland somehow getting 1st round picks for their vets were just fantasies. People here were dreaming about Orlando sending two 1st's for Ant. But the Blazers had to add two 2nd's to Simons to trade him for a 35 year old guard with a bad contract

Ayton-Grant? I think the best Portland could do is expiring contracts, and maybe a 2nd

I think at this point having been reality checked into oblivion. I would love to see those guys on other teams with expiring contracts returning that just don't get in the way of our young guys being able to show if they're capable of making it to the play-in and ultimately to the playoffs or not.

Hell ideally I'd like to see Joe move Jerami, Deandre, Rob and Jrue just for flexibility and maybe a prospect or two that haven't really been able to get PT on their teams that we might think could be what Jermaine O'Neal was to the Pacers.

 

[BIG Q]

I think all out ideas about Portland somehow getting 1st round picks for their vets were just fantasies. People here were dreaming about Orlando sending two 1st's for Ant. But the Blazers had to add two 2nd's to Simons to trade him for a 35 year old guard with a bad contract

Ayton-Grant? I think the best Portland could do is expiring contracts, and maybe a 2nd

Since Ayton is expiring, forget about him until Grant/RWIII/Jrue are gone.