OT What Went Wrong with US Coronavirus Testing

[e_blazer]

Excellent article in the Washington Post today on what went wrong with the US Coronavirus testing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-what-went-wrong-with-coronavirus-testing-us/

The Bottom Line
The president spent nearly two months issuing confusing and contradictory signals — leaving the bureaucratic machine of the U.S. government to chart the course for the coronavirus response.

The CDC designed its own test. The FDA picked a conservative testing strategy, allowing labs to use only the CDC test. When those tests failed, neither a new strategy nor a new test was available for more than two weeks. Azar failed to push the agencies to change direction, and the president didn’t intervene.

Even then, widespread testing was not immediately available. It’s not just the number of tests that are the problem — it’s getting the materials to do the tests and the personal protective medical equipment for providers to give those tests. That means we may never have a true count of how many Americans contracted the virus.

The missteps that went unmanaged were ignored by leaders at the highest level of government and allowed cases to go undetected, contributing to the spike in the virus’s spread.

 

[Strenuus]

What went wrong is people got brainwashed in 2016 to think this guy could actually lead a country.

Or that he cared about this country.

 

[Natebishop3]

What went wrong is people got brainwashed in 2016 to think this guy could actually lead a country.

Or that he cared about this country.

Gonna be honest.... I don't think it would have mattered who was in the oval office. I think the whole world is getting bent over right now.

 

[ABM]

Gonna be honest.... I don't think it would have mattered who was in the oval office. I think the whole world is getting bent over right now.

Thank you.

Armchair QB's are a dime a dozen.

 

[julius]

Gonna be honest.... I don't think it would have mattered who was in the oval office. I think the whole world is getting bent over right now.

I think it's the severity of it that is affected by the preparedness of the administration.

 

[illmatic99]

Thank you.

Armchair QB's are a dime a dozen.

just have to say, it's disgusting to me how much you defend this asshole. absolute disgusting. 3000 people have died and this MFer couldn't muster up one ounce of empathy from his soulless body and yet you continue to support him to the ends of the earth.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Gonna be honest.... I don't think it would have mattered who was in the oval office. I think the whole world is getting bent over right now.

I think this has in a very loose sense of the word, has “proven” that our governments (throughout the world) officials arent really doing much of anything in terms of preparation for extreme circumstances. I understand theres a lot of factors and things they have to consider when making judgement calls but it seems like all throughout this they have had literally 0 plan, and what scraps of a plan they throw together changes every day. Its local all the way up too. We have Kate Brown on a Friday saying stay home but dont, take it seriously. We have daily appearances by federal employees who seem to just be grasping at straws. Italy, Spain, The UK, to name a few theyve all really failed. Apparently our house and senate had no emergency relief plans at all and had to wait until days after the emergency to figure out how to rob Americans while throwing them enough to hopefully appease them enough for November elections.
I think you’re right, maybe no administration would have gotten this right.
I think my confirmation bias on this is saying, yup none of these government officials are gonna do anything for us that doesn't benefit them and their friends 10 fold in the process. They aren't at all prepared for anything bad to happen. They frankly are too comfortable and haven't been doing their jobs.

I hope this inspires people to find elected officials that believe they are public servants, instead of people who are served by the public.

 

[crandc]

I think having a president who did not shut down pandemic response and then spend 6 weeks saying it was a hoax would make a difference.

 

[illmatic99]

I think having a president who did not shut down pandemic response and then spend 6 weeks saying it was a hoax would make a difference.

Legit question: if Nancy decides simply to put up his twitter account as evidence for grounds for yet another impeachment, he would get impeached by the house easily again.

And if the Senate grew some guts to actually do the right thing now, would we really be any worse without him at the helm?

 

[ABM]

I think having a president who did not shut down pandemic response and then spend 6 weeks saying it was a hoax would make a difference.

Meanwhile, Creepy Joe doesn't believe in travel restrictions. He's our other choice, plain and simple.

https://www.redstate.com/jeffc/2020...rus-travel-ban-despite-the-advice-of-experts/

 

[Orion Bailey]

Meanwhile, Creepy Joe doesn't believe in travel restrictions. He's our other choice, plain and simple.

https://www.redstate.com/jeffc/2020...rus-travel-ban-despite-the-advice-of-experts/

damned if we do, damned if we dont....

 

[Strenuus]

Gonna be honest.... I don't think it would have mattered who was in the oval office. I think the whole world is getting bent over right now.

Sorry, I'm right.

 

[Strenuus]

Thank you.

Armchair QB's are a dime a dozen.

Nope. We have even an ounce of an actual compassionate person that listens as president, we get ahead of this.

I already know that I'm right in this.

 

[Strenuus]

Trump is literally the worst thing to happen to this country.

If Obama was president during this, he would have been far ahead of this because he had a) a pandemic squad, and B) he actually cares about this country and it's citizens.

There is no argument.

 

[barfo]

Gonna be honest.... I don't think it would have mattered who was in the oval office. I think the whole world is getting bent over right now.

Yes, it would have, and no, it's not.

Some countries have dealt with the virus better than others, and have had better outcomes. We are about the worst.

If you think it didn't hurt at all to:

1) Have the president ignore/minimize the issue for a couple of months;
2) Eliminate the pandemic response team in the NSC
3) Eliminate the CDC epidemiologist based in China
4) Ignore the 'pandemic playbook' that the Obama admin created
5) Ignore the results of the federal pandemic exercise last fall
6) Send 18 tons of "surplus" PPE to China in February
7) Refuse to use the Defense Production Act until it was too late

then you may have your head in the sand.

barfo

 

[illmatic99]

Yes, it would have, and no, it's not.

Some countries have dealt with the virus better than others, and have had better outcomes. We are about the worst.

If you don't think it didn't hurt at all to:

1) Have the president ignore/minimize the issue for a couple of months;
2) Eliminate the pandemic response team in the NSC
3) Eliminate the CDC epidemiologist based in China
4) Ignore the 'pandemic playbook' that the Obama admin created
5) Ignore the results of the federal pandemic exercise last fall
6) Send 18 tons of "surplus" PPE to China in February
7) Refuse to use the Defense Production Act until it was too late

then you may have your head in the sand.

barfo

you'd think this would be obvious.

 

[barfo]

Thank you.

Armchair QB's are a dime a dozen.

Cultists are even cheaper.

barfo

 

[ABM]

Trump is literally the worst thing to happen to this country.

If Obama was president during this, he would have been far ahead of this because he had a) a pandemic squad, and B) he actually cares about this country and it's citizens.

There is no argument.

Perhaps....

https://time.com/3520341/obama-ebola-fear/

Obama on Ebola: 'We Can't Give in to Hysteria'

 

[barfo]

Perhaps....

https://time.com/3520341/obama-ebola-fear/

Obama on Ebola: 'We Can't Give in to Hysteria'

Scoreboard, baby. Ebola was contained. The government got on it early, and took rational steps to deal with it.

You'll note that Obama wasn't quoted in that article as saying

"It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear,"

or any bullshit like that.

barfo

 

[julius]

Scoreboard, baby. Ebola was contained. The government got on it early, and took rational steps to deal with it.

You'll note that Obama wasn't quoted in that article as saying

"It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear,"

or any bullshit like that.

barfo

Quick, someone check on his petard...

 

[Lanny]

just have to say, it's disgusting to me how much you defend this asshole. absolute disgusting. 3000 people have died and this MFer couldn't muster up one ounce of empathy from his soulless body and yet you continue to support him to the ends of the earth.

Why ABM doesn't recognize this is a mystery to me, too. However, I've known ABM for quite a while now and I know that his motives are very good. ABM is a very good person, please do not doubt this. Therefor, make allowances for his little foibles. Lord knows, he makes plenty of allowances for my multi foibles.

 

[ABM]

Scoreboard, baby. Ebola was contained. The government got on it early, and took rational steps to deal with it.

You'll note that Obama wasn't quoted in that article as saying

"It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear,"

or any bullshit like that.

barfo

Perhaps, so, but I'm simply citing a similar mantra early on. That said, Ebola wasn't nearly the same type of virus that COVID-19 is. From what I understand, you had to be in direct contact with someone who had contracted it and very sick to get it yourself.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/spread-of-coronavirus-much-worse-than-ebola-expert-claims/

I understand why many are up in arms about Trump's seemingly overoptimistic handling of the situation. I do. Just my opinion, but I think part of what he's tried to do is to prevent hysteria. It's a double-edged sword of caution and preparedness vs. life must go on the best we know how. The thing is, the entire world has never seen a pandemic like this in many, many decades. Every single world leader is facing the same, exact challenges. Trump is experiencing on-the-job training just like the rest of them. The entire situation sucks.

Many thought Germany was doing so well, now they're experiencing new issues..

https://www.thelocal.de/20200330/explained-why-is-the-coronavirus-mortality-rate-in-germany-rising

I mean, in some cases, has led to this...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...erman-finance-official-linked-to-virus-crisis

 

[yankeesince59]

Trump fucked up, period...there's certainly a lot of individuals who will have died needlessly because of Trump's actions/inactions.

There is no way to spin it/skew it/defend it otherwise.

 

[ABM]

Trump fucked up, period...there's certainly a lot of individuals who will have died needlessly because of Trump's actions/inactions.

There is no way to spin it/skew it/defend it otherwise.

Your're certainly entitled to your opinion. Meanwhile, others claim he's been doing all he can. There are alternative views on the situation/issue, as well.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/who...demic-response-trump-is-doing-all-he-can.html

 

[ABM]

Why ABM doesn't recognize this is a mystery to me, too. However, I've known ABM for quite a while now and I know that his motives are very good. ABM is a very good person, please do not doubt this. Therefor, make allowances for his little foibles. Lord knows, he makes plenty of allowances for my multi foibles.

Father Lanny weighs in.

 

[yankeesince59]

Quick, someone check on his petard...

Your're certainly entitled to your opinion. Meanwhile, others claim he's been doing all he can. There are alternative views on the situation/issue, as well.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/who...demic-response-trump-is-doing-all-he-can.html

Again, you miss the point.

There's a huge difference in what he is NOW doing after the fact versus what he SHOULD have done much earlier.

 

[ABM]

Again, you miss the point.

There's a huge difference in what he is NOW doing after the fact versus what he SHOULD have done much earlier.

No doubt. He was embroiled in impeachment proceedings, etc., but, yes, he and Congress, too, could/should have acted much sooner. There were just a few calls to action.

https://www.politico.com/newsletter...e-done-more-to-prepare-for-coronavirus-488748

Again, this is a pandemic of its kind not seen in a century. Trump - and Trump, alone - will be blamed at every turn, though. So be it.

 

[RR7]

"What went wrong with US testing?"

What about what Biden said?

What about Obama?

classic old soviet tactic. Wanna throw Clinton in there, as well, for shits and giggles.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Trump is literally the worst thing to happen to this country.

If Obama was president during this, he would have been far ahead of this because he had a) a pandemic squad, and B) he actually cares about this country and it's citizens.

There is no argument.

I guess if there’s a silver lining to the Covid 19/Trump response crisis it’s that Terry Stotts has moved down to #2 on your list of “worst things to happen to this country”...........you really DO hate Terry......

 

[julius]

No doubt. He was embroiled in impeachment proceedings, etc., but, yes, he and Congress, too, could/should have acted much sooner. There were just a few calls to action.

https://www.politico.com/newsletter...e-done-more-to-prepare-for-coronavirus-488748

Again, this is a pandemic of its kind not seen in a century. Trump - and Trump, alone - will be blamed at every turn, though. So be it.

Ah, so it's secretly the democrats fault for not trying to hold him accountable for stuff. Gotcha.