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Natebishop3 said:
You can't have that thinking though. The team has a legitimately good starting five. We have the best record in the west right now. If a deal can be made that would solidify us as a contender, you have to do it. You can't stick with Mo because he's better than Nolan Smith. You could stick an empty chair out on the court and it would be better than Nolan Smith.
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Oh, I totally agree. I'm probably one of the guys most open to making a trade!
I was just trying to put things in perspective. Even though I've joined in on bashing Mo, I don't feel he deserves it. Sure, we've been disappointed with his play but he's doing his best to help the team, and actually has helped way more than he's hurt.
 
blue9 said:
Oh, I totally agree. I'm probably one of the guys most open to making a trade!
I was just trying to put things in perspective. Even though I've joined in on bashing Mo, I don't feel he deserves it. Sure, we've been disappointed with his play but he's doing his best to help the team, and actually has helped way more than he's hurt.
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Mo is Mo... I like the man, but I don't think his style is best suited to the bench unit we're currently running. With that said, maybe playing him with Batum would work better. Who knows....
 
tlongII said:
Sure. Won't happen though.
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We have no idea what they're looking for. They just traded Gay, Acy, and Aaron Gray for Salmons, Patrick Patterson, Vasquez and Hayes. Patterson and Vasquez are nice young guys that I'm sure they want to start, so why not deal Lowry for an older point guard that wouldn't mind backing him up on a much cheaper contract?
 
Natebishop3 said:
We have no idea what they're looking for. They just traded Gay, Acy, and Aaron Gray for Salmons, Patrick Patterson, Vasquez and Hayes. Patterson and Vasquez are nice young guys that I'm sure they want to start, so why not deal Lowry for an older point guard that wouldn't mind backing him up on a much cheaper contract?
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Okay GM Natebishop. Go make that deal!
 
Natebishop3 said:
Doing fine based on what? He isn't dead?

He's shooting 41% from the field. That's horrible.
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Mo is shooting 41.3%. Lowry is shooting 41.9%.

Lowry is averaging 6.6 assists per 36 min. Mo williams is averaing 6.2 assists per 36 min.

I like Lowry's defense but what makes you think Lowry would want to backup Lillard? I can tell you why I think he wouldn't.
The Houston Chronicle reports Lowry is unhappy about the splitting playing time with Goran Dragic at point guard.
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Teams that are going to deal for Lowry are ones that need a starting PG, not a backup. The price will be significant I imagine.

I don't think chemistry is the end-all but it is a factor. And it seems like Mo and Aldridge really get along well, I always seem to see them talking and laughing. I just don't see a reason to do this when we're 18-4 and have our top draft pick about to come back who's also a combo guard. Doesn't make any sense. The grass is not always greener.
 
I have to think an elite athlete with Mo's skills and ability could play differently, with more control, and look for his teammates without forcing turnovers, if he wanted to. It falls on the coach. I suspect Stotts wants Mo to be vintage Jason Terry (he isn't), and has instructed him as such. Mo clearly has a green light. I'd rather Mo spent more effort looking to set up Lillard and Wright than himself. I'm not the coach though.
 
noknobs said:
Mo is shooting 41.3%. Lowry is shooting 41.9%.

Lowry is averaging 6.6 assists per 36 min. Mo williams is averaing 6.2 assists per 36 min.

I like Lowry's defense but what makes you think Lowry would want to backup Lillard? I can tell you why I think he wouldn't.


Teams that are going to deal for Lowry are ones that need a starting PG, not a backup. The price will be significant I imagine.

I don't think chemistry is the end-all but it is a factor. And it seems like Mo and Aldridge really get along well, I always seem to see them talking and laughing. I just don't see a reason to do this when we're 18-4 and have our top draft pick about to come back who's also a combo guard. Doesn't make any sense. The grass is not always greener.
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That makes a lot of sense btw. As long as our starters are happy, then maybe the chemistry experiment doesn't need retooling just yet.

I am fine waiting until this summer to fill some voids. For what Olshey had to work with, he's done a fine job! Just imagine what he can do when he has full MLE, a winning record and our current players will hold more value?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Doing fine based on what? He isn't dead?

He's shooting 41% from the field. That's horrible. (Crawchuck-esque)

He's averaging over 2 turnovers per game in 25 minutes played. (Barton-esque) Just to give you a comparison, Lowry is averaging about the same amount of turnovers.... in 36 minutes per game.

He has a PER of 10.5 (Lowry 17.4)

His ORtg is 96. Lowry's is 115.

He dribbles too much. I have no idea how you measure that, but god he dribbles a lot. He routinely dribbles until there's only 5-6 seconds left in the clock. (Stoudamire-esque)

The guy has been a huge disappointment.
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NB3...just added Lowry's PER but couldn't agree more. Mo is extremely inefficient and pounds the ball like he has a grudge against it. Some will say he hasn't cost us a game...well it's not for lack of trying. Remember the 20 point lead against the Lakers that evaporated with him on the court? He was a -17 that game while Lillard was a +21. That is not an isolated incidence of a very poor +/- number. He is supposed to hold the fort while Dame is on the bench, not create a mess for him to clean up. He is playing against other teams backups and manufacturing a flaming pile of dog doo.

And we haven't even talked about his defense....or lack thereof.

Dribble....dribble...dribble...........still dribbling.. :banghead:


:matrix:
 
noknobs said:
Mo is shooting 41.3%. Lowry is shooting 41.9%.

Lowry is averaging 6.6 assists per 36 min. Mo williams is averaing 6.2 assists per 36 min.

I like Lowry's defense but what makes you think Lowry would want to backup Lillard? I can tell you why I think he wouldn't.


Teams that are going to deal for Lowry are ones that need a starting PG, not a backup. The price will be significant I imagine.

I don't think chemistry is the end-all but it is a factor. And it seems like Mo and Aldridge really get along well, I always seem to see them talking and laughing. I just don't see a reason to do this when we're 18-4 and have our top draft pick about to come back who's also a combo guard. Doesn't make any sense. The grass is not always greener.
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And Mo is turning the ball over at a much higher rate. You used Per 36, well Mo is averaging a full TO more per 36 than Lowry. They're averaging virtually the same amount of turnovers, but Mo is doing it in ten less minutes per game. Mo's assist to turnover ration is horrid.

They might also be shooting the same percentage, but Lowry's offensive rating is 20 points higher.

Also, here are some other key stats

True shooting percentage -
Mo: 48%
Lowry: 56%

eFG% -
Mo: 46%
Lowry: 51%

PER -
Mo: 10.5
Lowry: 17.5

Free throw attempt rate (this is huge)
Mo: .069
Lowry: .322

If you look at their advanced stats, it's like an epic beatdown. Mo can't hold a candle to Lowry.

And in regard to your quote from Lowry, that was how long ago? He's been playing on a shitty Toronto team, and I'm sure he probably wants to win. If we give him Mo's 25 minutes per game, on one of the best teams in the league, I can't see him being unhappy. If he doesn't want to come off the bench, I'm sure Neil will find out and that will be that.
 
noknobs;3187361[B said:
]Mo is shooting 41.3%. Lowry is shooting 41.9%.[/B]

Lowry is averaging 6.6 assists per 36 min. Mo williams is averaing 6.2 assists per 36 min.

I like Lowry's defense but what makes you think Lowry would want to backup Lillard? I can tell you why I think he wouldn't.


Teams that are going to deal for Lowry are ones that need a starting PG, not a backup. The price will be significant I imagine.

I don't think chemistry is the end-all but it is a factor. And it seems like Mo and Aldridge really get along well, I always seem to see them talking and laughing. I just don't see a reason to do this when we're 18-4 and have our top draft pick about to come back who's also a combo guard. Doesn't make any sense. The grass is not always greener.
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Look at their eFG% and True Shooting % ... they're not the same because Lowry gets to the line more often and takes a higher percentage of his shots from beyond the arc.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And Mo is turning the ball over at a much higher rate. You used Per 36, well Mo is averaging a full TO more per 36 than Lowry. They're averaging virtually the same amount of turnovers, but Mo is doing it in ten less minutes per game. Mo's assist to turnover ration is horrid.

They might also be shooting the same percentage, but Lowry's offensive rating is 20 points higher.

Also, here are some other key stats

True shooting percentage -
Mo: 48%
Lowry: 56%

eFG% -
Mo: 46%
Lowry: 51%

PER -
Mo: 10.5
Lowry: 17.5

Free throw attempt rate (this is huge)
Mo: .069
Lowry: .322

If you look at their advanced stats, it's like an epic beatdown. Mo can't hold a candle to Lowry.

And in regard to your quote from Lowry, that was how long ago? He's been playing on a shitty Toronto team, and I'm sure he probably wants to win. If we give him Mo's 25 minutes per game, on one of the best teams in the league, I can't see him being unhappy. If he doesn't want to come off the bench, I'm sure Neil will find out and that will be that.
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It's ten fewer minutes per game, not ten less minutes per game.

Neener.
 
Another thing about Lowry is he is getting a PER of 17.7, but only gives up 12.8 (+4.9). If you pair him with Lillard (+1.8), our PG position would just dominate!
 
Mediocre Man wrote:

Mo has a 12.1 PER at PG and gives up a 22.5 PER at PG....eek. They list him at SG as well, but I really think when he and Lillard are in the game together, Mo is the PG
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Holy Nolan Smith!! A PER of 12.1 giving up 22.5? I've never been a fan because he is a dribble machine but that is ridiculous. :banghead:


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BigGameDamian said:
Theatre Blazers will trade for Lowry and complain that CJ won't get any playing time. Oh I guess we'll do that anyway.:lol:
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Except that Lowry is actually a point guard.... and CJ is actually a shooting guard.
 
TBpup said:
Holy Nolan Smith!! A PER of 12.1 giving up 22.5? I've never been a fan because he is a dribble machine but that is ridiculous. :banghead:


:matrix:
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To give you a perspective…. Price gave up -12.7 PER, and Nolan Smith only gave up -6.7
 
magnifier661 said:
To give you a perspective…. Price gave up -12.7 PER, and Nolan Smith only gave up -6.7
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That perspective gives me a headache...lol. I always thought of Williams as the better shooter but since he and Lowry are essentially the same, give me the one with much better defense and who gets teammates better shots. Who knows....T-Rob might get a lob at the rim or Wright and open look....when he is actually open. The possibilities are endless. :ghoti:

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I would start my package with Mo Williams and Meyers Leonard add in Allan Crabbe or Claver if need be.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And in regard to your quote from Lowry, that was how long ago? He's been playing on a shitty Toronto team, and I'm sure he probably wants to win. If we give him Mo's 25 minutes per game, on one of the best teams in the league, I can't see him being unhappy. If he doesn't want to come off the bench, I'm sure Neil will find out and that will be that.
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Well just so long as you're probably sure, that's good enough for me. :devilwink:
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well, I called and left a voicemail, but the dude isn't calling me back!
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Yeah he does that. I'll shoot him a text.

You may be right that he's changed over time, but he is in a contract year, so if we ask him to become a role player he may be disinclined to acquiesce to our request.
 
noknobs said:
Yeah he does that. I'll shoot him a text.

You may be right that he's changed over time, but he is in a contract year, so if we ask him to become a role player he may be disinclined to acquiesce to our request.
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There are a lot of long words in there, and we're not but humble pirates.
 
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