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I have no problem saying I vote for Yi multiple times a day. No, he doesn't deserve to be an all-star. But neither do other players who will make it, or who have made it in the past. We need some Nets in there. Giving fans the responsibility to choose the starting lineup is useless when it's the same people every single year. All you have to do is look at the top 10 jersey sales and you basically have your starting lineups right there.
 
44Thrilla said:
Pierce was injured most of that year.
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Well Paul and Jefferson was better than what KG had, or what Ray had. My point is that neither of the three were winning championships before they were assembled.
 
This thread just reminds me everyday to vote for Vince, Harris, Yi. Keep bumping it up guys!
 
GrandKenyon6 said:
I can explain it to you pretty easily. It's because Wang ZhiZhi was a 2nd round pick and Mengke Bateer came into the league as an undrafted player. Both had little hype and limited potential. Neither was as popular nor as young as Yi. Yao's popularity has led to an enormous growth in Chinese fans and both of those players were just before Yao's time.

If Yi gets in, it's absolutely because of Chinese bias, something which needs to be controlled.
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I couldn't have said it any better myself. I realize that just about every year someone gets in that there is a debate attached, but usually they have done SOMETHING to warrant being in consideration, but seriously...Yi? He has no business at All-Star weekend excet in the Rookie/Soph game. And really shouldn't be starting in the All-Star game.

BTW as you can see in my pic I'm of asian decent as well and this thread was in no way intended to be racial...so those comments can calm down. You can point out the ethnic support for what it is...but it's not ment to bash any ethnic background....this is meant to point out that Yi would in no way shape or form be getting in on the content of his game....maybe in 2-3 years...but not now.

You would think that putting him in at this time would only hurt him in his development. If he was to end up starting, I'm assuming the Chinese population isn't too strong in Phnx...if he came out, got booed and then couldn't produce....that might stunt him for the rest of his career....that's hype and expectations a player who is still obviously developing doesn't need.

If he does make it (which I don't think he should) I hope he does well, cuz if not....I could be very bad. As many have stated before...to many this game may not be that important, but to the population that votes for him, it will be...and if he embarasses himself on a stage such as this....it could crush him
 
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Mr. J said:
Definitely. There's no one that comes to mind that could be worst.

Yao is up there, but he was solid putting up roughly 13/8/2 2 blocks. Another candidate is Big Z but he was and still is much more effective than Yi.

Ditto for Jamaal Magloire.
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WTF? Yao? Big Z?
 
I don't give a rat's ass about exhibition games, preseason games, summer league games or the MTV Rock 'N Jock Challenge - I care about international games for about 30 seconds after they end and then I don't care anymore.

But an All-Star spot is how these guys judge their careers and for Yi to take a spot from a deserving player is garbage and he should not be anywhere near the All-Star game no matter who the hell votes for him.
 
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Mr. J said:
Definitely. There's no one that comes to mind that could be worst.

Yao is up there, but he was solid putting up roughly 13/8/2 2 blocks. Another candidate is Big Z but he was and still is much more effective than Yi.

Ditto for Jamaal Magloire.
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How about Marbury 2x All-Star? There is talk of fans voting him in again just for laughs.
 
NattaNerNuttaMan said:
I couldn't have said it any better myself. I realize that just about every year someone gets in that there is a debate attached, but usually they have done SOMETHING to warrant being in consideration, but seriously...Yi? He has no business at All-Star weekend excet in the Rookie/Soph game. And really shouldn't be starting in the All-Star game.

BTW as you can see in my pic I'm of asian decent as well and this thread was in no way intended to be racial...so those comments can calm down. You can point out the ethnic support for what it is...but it's not ment to bash any ethnic background....this is meant to point out that Yi would in no way shape or form be getting in on the content of his game....maybe in 2-3 years...but not now.

You would think that putting him in at this time would only hurt him in his development. If he was to end up starting, I'm assuming the Chinese population isn't too strong in Phnx...if he came out, got booed and then couldn't produce....that might stunt him for the rest of his career....that's hype and expectations a player who is still obviously developing doesn't need.

If he does make it (which I don't think he should) I hope he does well, cuz if not....I could be very bad. As many have stated before...to many this game may not be that important, but to the population that votes for him, it will be...and if he embarasses himself on a stage such as this....it could crush him
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I am one of the biggest advocate for not voting Yi into the ASG. I've numerous debate with fans on other forums last year about it and it went nowhere. At the end of the day people are gonna vote for whoever they want to vote for. Heck Nets fan here are campaigning voting for Yi. So your generalization that it's an ethnic thing is quite disgraceful and I couldn't careless if your half Chinese or half martian. The truth is you're just parroting words off paranoid sportswriters who have produced little evidence to back up their articles. You are given a brain to think bro. It maybe useful for you to start using it for once. For starters do you know that Yao Ming, China's national icon and hero and a quite deservant all star didn't even finished in the top 5 vote getters last season. So if the China voting was going to have such a significant impact as these paranoid dumb a$$ writer say it is, then wouldn't China's best, most famous and most popular player be the top vote getter and by a large margin? I guess sometimes reality just isn't as good as fiction.
 
We talk this to death on the Yao forums. The Asian fans are some of the most hating mean spirited people out there. Constantly demanding and bashing their players.

I don't see Yi getting voted in unless there was legit improvement and support. Maybe if he raise his stats to 18/7 in the month of December.

Of course this won't stop the Boston Globe from writing about the Chinese boogymen stealing your jobs.
 
Tang Man said:
I am one of the biggest advocate for not voting Yi into the ASG. I've numerous debate with fans on other forums last year about it and it went nowhere. At the end of the day people are gonna vote for whoever they want to vote for. Heck Nets fan here are campaigning voting for Yi. So your generalization that it's an ethnic thing is quite disgraceful and I couldn't careless if your half Chinese or half martian. The truth is you're just parroting words off paranoid sportswriters who have produced little evidence to back up their articles. You are given a brain to think bro. It maybe useful for you to start using it for once. For starters do you know that Yao Ming, China's national icon and hero and a quite deservant all star didn't even finished in the top 5 vote getters last season. So if the China voting was going to have such a significant impact as these paranoid dumb a$$ writer say it is, then wouldn't China's best, most famous and most popular player be the top vote getter and by a large margin? I guess sometimes reality just isn't as good as fiction.
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Why would you be such an ass as to turn a simple post into a verbal assult on my intellect? Have I somehow struck a nerve with you....ooohhh poor, baby...lol. And the fact that you think it's a disgrace that I point out ethnicity shows that your not thinking about this rationally. The topic is about the fact that if Yi wasn't Chinese would he even be in consideration for an All-Star starting spot....you can say all you want about Ming not even finishing in the top 5...but until you can show me that the majority of the votes he did get weren't made by the Chinese populous it only proves the point. Theirs no way around it....it's not meat as a racist post...it's just showing how IF he gets in it will have nothing to do with his game, but from the support of the majority (and in this case Nets too...he is thier player after all) CHINESE population. You can't make the argument without bring it up....since it's the whole point of thread.

I'm sorry if I have offended you....and since when has it been posted that just because I post a thread...I'm "parroting"...wouldn't that be the case for every person (including you) that uses a source in any thread? I'm just starting a conversation....you really are a sensitve one, aren't you....:ghoti:
 
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If Yi makes the all-star team and then goes onto win the game MVP...I will buy you all steak dinners...
 
NattaNerNuttaMan said:
Why would you be such an ass as to turn a simple post into a verbal assult on my intellect? Have I somehow struck a nerve with you....ooohhh poor, baby...lol. And the fact that you think it's a disgrace that I point out ethnicity shows that your not thinking about this rationally. The topic is about the fact that if Yi wasn't Chinese would he even be in consideration for an All-Star starting spot....you can say all you want about Ming not even finishing in the top 5...but until you can show me that the majority of the votes he did get weren't made by the Chinese populous it only proves the point. Theirs no way around it....it's not meat as a racist post...it's just showing how IF he gets in it will have nothing to do with his game, but from the support of the majority (and in this case Nets too...he is thier player after all) CHINESE population. You can't make the argument without bring it up....since it's the whole point of thread.

I'm sorry if I have offended you....and since when has it been posted that just because I post a thread...I'm "parroting"...wouldn't that be the case for every person (including you) that uses a source in any thread? I'm just starting a conversation....you really are a sensitve one, aren't you....:ghoti:
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Most of Yao's votes in his rookie year came from paper ballots. Meaning they were majority American votes, not overseas. Tangman wrote this in one of the replies above.

Just that some of us has been on this topic every year, every all-star weekend it's the same BS and fear mongering. I don't even care about ASG, but it's the writers that pisses me off and make me want to post. I find it very insulting. Lumping Asians as mindless drones.
 
Malorkayel said:
Most of Yao's votes in his rookie year came from paper ballots. Meaning they were majority American votes, not overseas. Tangman wrote this in one of the replies above.

Just that some of us has been on this topic every year, every all-star weekend it's the same BS and fear mongering. I don't even care about ASG, but it's the writers that pisses me off and make me want to post. I find it very insulting. Lumping Asians as mindless drones.
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this is true which is why I post this....as everyone will notice it seemed to get a rise out of many poster in a short time...isn't that what posting is all about conversation and debates? But as you posted at least you have the tact to debate without trying to insult people...well, played sir, well played....:clap:
 
adisodes said:
So nobody cares about this potential steak dinner? :crazy:
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But does that mean....if Yi doesn't win the MVP, we have to get you a steak dinner?....cuz ummm....gluttony is a very deadly sin...lol...:devilwink: You would be well fed the rest of your days
 
NattaNerNuttaMan said:
Why would you be such an ass as to turn a simple post into a verbal assult on my intellect? Have I somehow struck a nerve with you....ooohhh poor, baby...lol. And the fact that you think it's a disgrace that I point out ethnicity shows that your not thinking about this rationally. The topic is about the fact that if Yi wasn't Chinese would he even be in consideration for an All-Star starting spot....you can say all you want about Ming not even finishing in the top 5...but until you can show me that the majority of the votes he did get weren't made by the Chinese populous it only proves the point. Theirs no way around it....it's not meat as a racist post...it's just showing how IF he gets in it will have nothing to do with his game, but from the support of the majority (and in this case Nets too...he is thier player after all) CHINESE population. You can't make the argument without bring it up....since it's the whole point of thread.

I'm sorry if I have offended you....and since when has it been posted that just because I post a thread...I'm "parroting"...wouldn't that be the case for every person (including you) that uses a source in any thread? I'm just starting a conversation....you really are a sensitve one, aren't you....:ghoti:
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Struck a nerve??? You are funny bro, I'll give you that. Also according to who is Yi in 'consideration' for a starting 5? Those writers who you parrotted this line of thinking off? LMAO.

Anyway have you got the numbers to prove that Asians voted for him bro???? If you can produce me the evidence that shows ONLY Asians voted for him then you will have a point. Until then are just a parrot bro, repeating whatever is said to you.

Sensitive?? Call it whatever you want, I just don't like large parrots.
 
Malorkayel said:
Just that some of us has been on this topic every year, every all-star weekend it's the same BS and fear mongering. I don't even care about ASG, but it's the writers that pisses me off and make me want to post. I find it very insulting. Lumping Asians as mindless drones.
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You know it's the same every year since Yao Ming has been in the league. Lets' blame everything on the Chinese. Never mind the fact that the NY Times conducted a research one year and found that Yao got most of his vote from paper ballot rather than online voting. However you know there'll be some parrot that will take whatever is written and posts it on a message board some where.

I have said it many times, the most compelling evidence available that the voting in China has little impact on the starting 5 in the ASG can be found in last year's voting. Here are the top 10 vote getters.

1. Kevin Garnett, Bos 2,399,148
2. LeBron James, Cle 2,108,831
3. Dwight Howard, Orl 2,066,991
4. Kobe Bryant, LAL 2,004,940
5. Carmelo Anthony, Den 1,723,701
6. Tim Duncan, SA 1,712,800
7. Yao Ming, Hou 1,709,180
8. Dwyane Wade, Mia 1,608,260
9. Dirk Nowitzki, Dal 1,259,025
10. Jason Kidd, NJ 1,246,386

It's estimated that China has 200 million NBA fans. Yao's total votes isn't even 1% of that 200 million. So I don't know where all the votes in China are going but it sure as hell doesn't look like it's impacting the final voting.
 
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Tang Man said:
Struck a nerve??? You are funny bro, I'll give you that. Also according to who is Yi in 'consideration' for a starting 5? Those writers who you parrotted this line of thinking off? LMAO.

Anyway have you got the numbers to prove that Asians voted for him bro???? If you can produce me the evidence that shows ONLY Asians voted for him then you will have a point. Until then are just a parrot bro, repeating whatever is said to you.

Sensitive?? Call it whatever you want, I just don't like large parrots.
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ummm...so I'm a parrot for posting a thread of an article? Then I guess you can be labeled a parrot as well....as well as everyone else who has ever posted a thread bases on any article ever written....lol. Seriously, for someone that obviously has some ill gained superiority complex that forces you to nit-pick and blow one part of the conversation completly out of context and not focus on the argument as a whole, while simutaniously feel that you are so judgemental as to pass name calling off as a valid point...is well....rather sad...lol. But you know I refuse to stoop to your level of name calling...I'm much to mature for that..............you ass!!! LOL good convo, bro!

But so as not to have you put words in my mouth....I never once said that ONLY Asians voted for Yao....but that if the votes were counted I'm sure it greatly influenced his numbers
 
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NattaNerNuttaMan said:
As much as thier was major fan fair for Kobe and LeBron James....when it comes down to pride of thier nation....they will not hesitate to vote Yi above LeBron out of sheer devotion to seeing one of their own as an All-Star starter....sure they love watching and cheering for LeBron and Kobe....but they almost consider it a personal duty to have someone represent them in the Spotlight....it's all about honor
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Is this not one of rants bro?

So where are the evidence behind this rant of yours? Got them for me, or are we still just parroting?

Did you even question the legitimacy of that article before going off a spin about how "they will vote out of sheer devotion to seeing one of their own as an all star starter"?

When you act like a parrot, you get treated like one. That means when you can provide me with solid evidence that only the Chinese people vote for Yi, then I'll take what you say seriously and even join you on a campaign to educate Chinese bball fans the right things to do when it comes to all star voting. Heck I'v already even done that before. Presenting parrot material from sources which have little or no proof is not evidence.

BTW I've presented you with evidence that seems to contradict your claims. Got anything to say about that or has your owner not fed you with the correct answers yet?
 
Tang Man said:
Is this not one of rants bro?

So where are the evidence behind this rant of yours? Got them for me, or are we still just parroting?

Did you even question the legitimacy of that article before going off a spin about how "they will vote out of sheer devotion to seeing one of their own as an all star starter"?

When you act like a parrot, you get treated like one. That means when you can provide me with solid evidence that only the Chinese people vote for Yi, then I'll take what you say seriously and even join you on a campaign to educate Chinese bball fans the right things to do when it comes to all star voting. Heck I'v already even done that before. Presenting parrot material from sources which have little or no proof is not evidence.

BTW I've presented you with evidence that seems to contradict your claims. Got anything to say about that or has your owner not fed you with the correct answers yet?
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Oh my goodness, get off your high horse for one minute and understand me....I'm not saying ONLY CHINESE people are voting but that with out the ethnic support he wouldn't be in consideration for an All-Star slot. Wow, dude....I'm not preaching thier word or even agreeing with everything....only that it would be wrong for Yi to start in an All-Star game over proven players. Wow....either your part of the "Bradjolena Humanitarian Support Program" or you really just live in a fantasy word were only your words and thoughts count...lol.

As for your evidence...it doesn't prove that more asians haven't voted either...so in context....your evidence doesn't seem to contradict my claims either, nor do thier prove I'm false.

I wouldn't consider myself a parrot for happening to agree that Yi doesn't deserve to start in an All-Star game....and if in your eyes this makes me a parrot...then squak, squak!!! But I'm sure their are plenty more in the flock!
 
This thread and article is hilarious... in the end its all about fans and writers scared to crap that some sophomore is more popular than KG. Thats what its about folks. All-star voting is a popularity contest. If you like the guy then of course you're going to vote for him. Theres nothing wrong with that.
 
NattaNerNuttaMan said:
I wouldn't consider myself a parrot for happening to agree that Yi doesn't deserve to start in an All-Star game....and if in your eyes this makes me a parrot...then squak, squak!!! But I'm sure their are plenty more in the flock!
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Deserve? Who said anything about deserve? I think if you had a poll of whether yi deserves to be an all star or not you'll almost get universal agreement that he doesn't.

The article you parroted from implied that China is going to get into the all star game because 200 million fans in China are going to vote for him or something to that effect.

I am about as anti Yi being an all star as you can get until he becomes a 20/10 player or at least something real close, say 20/9. However there is just too much garbage that gets written about him and the all star voting without any concrete proof. I mean if Yi is leading all forward voting after Thursday's first return of ballot, then fine. Go off about how he doesn't deserve it and how it's wrong for the Chinese to vote for their own kind etc Until then I just don't understand the fascination people have with jumping to conclusion one way or another. Yao was a first for Chinese and even ethnic Chinese basketball fans around the world. Since then the popularity of the NBA has grown tremendously in China. They have become a lot more knowledgeable about the game and the players. So it's no longer simply about voting for one of their own rather than their favorite player, which just happens to be the likes of Kobe and Lebron. If they want to vote for one of their own, they can always vote for Yao Ming who would be deservant. Why would they need to vote for Yi? Outside of his home province of Guangdong, Yi actually isn't all that popular. Last year one of the Chinese basketball site conducted a poll asking whether fans would vote for Yi and more than 75% said no. So don't just go assuming that because there is 200 million basketball fans in China therefore Yi is going get 200 million votes. That's just plain ignorant.

As for more parrots in the flock, I am sure they are everywhere bro. You actually don't need to look very hard to find them.
 
As for KG being an all star starter. Is he more deservant than say Chris Bosh. Chris Bosh is averaging 25.7 ppg and 10.1 rpg. Why should KG who is averaging 16.4 ppg and 9.4 rpg start ahead of Chris Bosh? The truth is the coaches and players should be the only people voting for the all stars. That's my opinion and final say in this thread.
 
Tang Man said:
As for KG being an all star starter. Is he more deservant than say Chris Bosh. Chris Bosh is averaging 25.7 ppg and 10.1 rpg. Why should KG who is averaging 16.4 ppg and 9.4 rpg start ahead of Chris Bosh? The truth is the coaches and players should be the only people voting for the all stars. That's my opinion and final say in this thread.
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I agree with you on that....Bosh definitly deserves to be starting over KG this year...but you can't bank too much on stats when KG plays on a team that doesn't require him to put up high numbers...but with that said...as much as I'm a KG fan....even I voted for Bosh to start over KG
 
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