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Phatguysrule said:
They are taking care of themselves now. They'd do a better job of it if they had a warm, dry room, electricity and locking door.

We're making it more complicated than it has to be. Get them housing ASAP. It can only get better with housing.
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It must have a shower and a toilet and some sort of heat such as steam heat.
 
barfo said:
That sounds like an interesting story. Who put you on that bus and why?

barfo
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My mom. I dropped out of school and my brother happened to be out here working on a drilling rig at the time. She handed me a bus ticket and kicked me out, said go to work. I hopped on a bus with a skateboard, a backpack and every intention of returning as soon as possible. We all know how plans go.
 
jonnyboy said:
My mom. I dropped out of school and my brother happened to be out here working on a drilling rig at the time. She handed me a bus ticket and kicked me out, said go to work. I hopped on a bus with a skateboard, a backpack and every intention of returning as soon as possible. We all know how plans go.
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Rough way to start but it sounds like it ended up working out well for you.

barfo
 
e_blazer said:
Like you've never Shanghaied a bunch of schmucks to crew the pirate ship?
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That should be a statement and not a question. Asking it simply gives him room to bob and weave.
 
jonnyboy said:
I’ll make sure your hut has these things Lanny. You want upstairs or downstairs?
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I hope upstairs and downstairs is not code for what I shudder to think about 'cause I object strenuously to that. More than strenuous, actually. I'll fight to the death to avoid that.
 
calvin natt said:
Holy Shit I just drove around downtown. It looks worse than ever. I cannot believe it. It’s full blown third world country. What the actual fuck are we doing? Is anyone in charge? Goddamn it pisses me off. Figure it out.
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Police are quitting in droves. Wheeler had a welcome back downtown event. Clueless as to why. Many companies are moving to the burbs. Sad.
 
calvin natt said:
Crazy idea. But could the state and city say to homeless - we will give you housing, but you have to work for the state/city doing manual labor (I dunno maybe like cleaning up all the shit they have caused to start). We take you to and from and pay you min wage. You sleep for free. Clean up graffiti and garbage and then move onto the next thing. Of course not all of them can or will do this. There are many with psychological issues that prevent them. We need to take those people and get them HELP and also house them. If we can’t get them to do either, jail it is. Whatever it is, the option cannot be shit on the sidewalk outside your tent shooting up in the pearl at 2 pm on a Thursday.
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Jail is like $60k+ per year. That's the wrong direction.

Plus, Martin_v._Boise
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_v._Boise
 
calvin natt said:
Well that sucks. Gotta find empty buildings and get going
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Yep. This is my take as well. It's not that expensive to build walls. Or even stack shipping containers. It's really not that expensive to run plumming.

People are making this more complicated than it needs to be.
 
calvin natt said:
The entire eastern side of this state is wide open
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That's a good point, but the way I read it, the court says the shelters have to be local.

So I don't think Portland can ship homeless people out of their jurisdiction. At least unless or until another court takes up the case. I'm not really sure how that works. Would it have to be the Supreme Court?
 
Phatguysrule said:
Only if they choose it though. It doesn't work very well if they don't choose it.
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Of course but for housing and help you gotta go the extra mile...if you want to be an addict you won't follow any programs including housing programs more than likely...it's hard to get two people to agree about anything let alone a homeless community but you don't want housing to become crack housing so that would be incentive to get clean or at least try..perks come to those who make the effort and there are plenty of those folks
 
riverman said:
Of course but for housing and help you gotta go the extra mile...if you want to be an addict you won't follow any programs including housing programs more than likely...it's hard to get two people to agree about anything let alone a homeless community but you don't want housing to become crack housing so that would be incentive to get clean or at least try..perks come to those who make the effort and there are plenty of those folks
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They don't want housing in exchange for going the extra mile or they'd already have it.

I get what you're saying but that will leave us exactly where we are now.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
They don't want housing in exchange for going the extra mile or they'd already have it.

I get what you're saying but that will leave us exactly where we are now.
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Build housing for them and they will come. They'll come in droves from all over the country. This needs to be a national program or it just won't work.
 
Lanny said:
Build housing for them and they will come. They'll come in droves from all over the country. This needs to be a national program or it just won't work.
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Agreed. However, both Washington and California are starting their own Housing First programs, so at least we wouldn't be alone...

And we'll still need to solve the problem of why people are becoming homeless to begin with.

You're right, it's a national problem. One we could solve for a couple dollars per month per US household.
 
Phatguysrule said:
You're right, it's a national problem. One we could solve for a couple dollars per month per US household.
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Defund the military industrial complex. There’s enough money there to house bums, pay for school and provide single payer healthcare. It costs us taxpayers a lot of money to fund constant illegal wars we have no say in starting.
 
jonnyboy said:
Defund the military industrial complex. There’s enough money there to house bums, pay for school and provide single payer healthcare. It costs us taxpayers a lot of money to fund constant illegal wars we have no say in starting.
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It's not just the wars. It's also the absurdly expensive hardware that doesn't even get used in the wars.

barfo
 
barfo said:
It's not just the wars. It's also the absurdly expensive hardware that doesn't even get used in the wars.

barfo
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That’s actually the main thing. Hundreds of billions of dollars are given to defense contractors to pay gouged prices for equipment to use in questionable conflicts. The politicians and generals who egged the conflicts on and signed the spending bills usually sit on the boards of these companies after they retire, and reap the benefits.

This type of money laundering and blatant conflict of interest is only illegal when poor people do it though.
 
jonnyboy said:
That’s actually the main thing. Hundreds of billions of dollars are given to defense contractors to pay gouged prices for equipment to use in questionable conflicts. The politicians and generals who egged the conflicts on and signed the spending bills usually sit on the boards of these companies after they retire, and reap the benefits.

This type of money laundering and blatant conflict of interest is only illegal when poor people do it though.
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The same thing is done with State procurement of equipment and supplies.
 
jonnyboy said:
Defund the military industrial complex. There’s enough money there to house bums, pay for school and provide single payer healthcare. It costs us taxpayers a lot of money to fund constant illegal wars we have no say in starting.
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Yep, I'm all for it. $10 billion per year would fully fund homes for every homeless person in the country and not even put a dent in military spending...
 
jonnyboy said:
That’s actually the main thing. Hundreds of billions of dollars are given to defense contractors to pay gouged prices for equipment to use in questionable conflicts. The politicians and generals who egged the conflicts on and signed the spending bills usually sit on the boards of these companies after they retire, and reap the benefits.

This type of money laundering and blatant conflict of interest is only illegal when poor people do it though.
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The only way to stop this is via voting in candidates who see the problem and want to fix it.

But history has shown that voters rarely vote for candidates who are said to be 'weak on defense'.

So unless/until voters wise up and actually want politicians to spend less on defense, and vote with that in mind, the beatings will continue.

barfo
 
barfo said:
The only way to stop this is via voting in candidates who see the problem and want to fix it.

But history has shown that voters rarely vote for candidates who are said to be 'weak on defense'.

So unless/until voters wise up and actually want politicians to spend less on defense, and vote with that in mind, the beatings will continue.

barfo
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We are never given that opportunity. The DNC and RNC pick who we get to vote for. And they don't let us vote for people who would do this.
 
Phatguysrule said:
We are never given that opportunity. The DNC and RNC pick who we get to vote for. And they don't let us vote for people who would do this.
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I don't entirely buy that. There are primary contests, the party honchos don't actually pick the nominees in smoke-filled rooms anymore.

The truth is, cut-the-military has not been a successful campaign plank in most of the country. There are too many voters who vigorously disagree with the idea. Even "I'll increase military spending, just maybe a little less than the other guy" is often a losing position.

barfo
 
barfo said:
It's not just the wars. It's also the absurdly expensive hardware that doesn't even get used in the wars.

barfo
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I built such hardware and it got used plenty. I like to think it saved American lives.
 
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