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SlyPokerCat said:
I mean. Not really according to some of the logic in here. Gresham is east side but not Portland.

I don't get that mentality. Gresham and Portland border each other. I think it absolutely is fair with how close they are (in the same County to boot that spreads resources) to talk about how the Portland Metro area needs help and cleaning up.

I drove down to Delta Park this morning. Delta Park and Marine Drive are incredible sad. Something needs to happen to get those people off the streets. I don't want to get into a political debate about how. It is just incredibly sad.
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Give them a better place to go.

People make this far more complicated than it has to be.
 
riverman said:
The better game is how to drive across LA on the freeway and survive...I think you hold the record for the largest homeless camp in the country at over 50 blocks of them last I checked! Bet that's a fun stroll in the evening!
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I only hang in the good parts of town these days. Basically Manhattan Beach/Hermosa Beach and Orange County.
 
Holy Shit I just drove around downtown. It looks worse than ever. I cannot believe it. It’s full blown third world country. What the actual fuck are we doing? Is anyone in charge? Goddamn it pisses me off. Figure it out.
 
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calvin natt said:
Holy Shit I just drove around downtown. It looks worse than ever. I cannot believe it. It’s full blown third world country. What the actual fuck are we doing? Is anyone in charge? Goddamn it pisses me off. Figure it out.
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In actual 3rd world countries I've seen, the homeless have all these camps at the garbage dump and spend their days sorting through garbage for hidden treasures and food...problem now is they are moving into the woods and trashing the woods or starting fires...lot of my old fishing spots are now homeless camps filled with garbage...pisses me off...cigarette butts all over the river banks..
 
riverman said:
In actual 3rd world countries I've seen, the homeless have all these camps at the garbage dump and spend their days sorting through garbage for hidden treasures and food...problem now is they are moving into the woods and trashing the woods or starting fires...lot of my old fishing spots are now homeless camps filled with garbage...pisses me off...cigarette butts all over the river banks..
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That’s literally what they do downtown. It IS a dump. Garbage everywhere. Tent after tent. People naked. And not the naked you want to see. Businesses shuttered. It’s past sad. It’s infuriating
 
calvin natt said:
That’s literally what they do downtown. It IS a dump. Garbage everywhere. Tent after tent. People naked. And not the naked you want to see. Businesses shuttered. It’s past sad. It’s infuriating
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that really sucks...I'm glad they've cleaned up Eugene but I fear for the BLM land that borders my piece of the woods...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Give them a better place to go.

People make this far more complicated than it has to be.
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The answer is simple. The implementation and infrastructure is the difficult ppart.

But if you say it's not complicated, by all means... go for it. Build it!
 
Strenuus said:
The answer is simple. The implementation and infrastructure is the difficult ppart.

But if you say it's not complicated, by all means... go for it. Build it!
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Use dead shopping malls and install tiny houses in the parking lot and apartments in the dead mall.......that's a start...put in a clinic and a laundry..etc...job service center...trade school..help people turn it around. Somebody call Jimmy Carter
 
riverman said:
Use dead shopping malls and install tiny houses in the parking lot and apartments in the dead mall.......that's a start...put in a clinic and a laundry..etc...job service center...trade school..help people turn it around.
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And how long will that take?

People expect this change in a month or two. It takes years.

Solution is easy. Implementation is difficult. These are facts.
 
Strenuus said:
The answer is simple. The implementation and infrastructure is the difficult ppart.

But if you say it's not complicated, by all means... go for it. Build it!
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Sure.

If you'll just deflect the $40k per year per homeless person to me I'll get this started on Monday.
 
Strenuus said:
And how long will that take?

People expect this change in a month or two. It takes years.

Solution is easy. Implementation is difficult. These are facts.
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Those prefab one room sheds are lined up in a lot on W 11th for sale for a couple grand each or so...my neighbor justbought one for storage...they are empty right now...people make a buck building them and it takes no time to make one...it's not time...it's resources...I've built kit homes before...they're easy to make...it's basically box building 101...beats a blue tarp all day long..you're not going to get a ranch style 4 bedroom with cable and a hot tub for peanuts...I've had to live out of a suitcase when I was young and freshly divorced...it's not easy...
 
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riverman said:
Use dead shopping malls and install tiny houses in the parking lot and apartments in the dead mall.......that's a start...put in a clinic and a laundry..etc...job service center...trade school..help people turn it around. Somebody call Jimmy Carter
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The two main camps in the homelessness debate always seem to be “They are just lazy” vs. “They just fell on hard times financially”
I think in reality those two scenarios make up a very small piece of the puzzle. The true homelessness landscape is one of addiction and mental illness. Most of these people would require treatment and full time care just to live functionally. The solutions you mentioned are good ideas and would cover the tangible, logistical side. Finding a literal army to care for the people in the places you mentioned would be the real challenge. It would take only a week for one of those malls or tiny homes to be trashed, deemed unlivable and condemned. And it’s not because the homeless are animals, it’s because they literally don’t have the skills to maintain any sort of structured environment on their own. I guess what I’m saying is it would take a whole shit load of people, dedicating themselves AND getting payed, to care for the homeless. And that just doesn’t exist right now, unfortunately.
 
I took my 15 year old son with me. He was shocked how bad it’s gotten. It just sucks when I was his age we would go down there and walk around and hang out. I’d never let him go now. We walked by someone throwing up, someone changing their clothes, about ten sleeping, at least twenty tents. One. Block.

Figure it out. Whatever it is, do it. Get them help. Get them out. We have .03% of the population ruining an entire city. What are we doing? Build something and make them live there. If they don’t, arrest them. They either live in housing for them or they live in jail. I don’t care. But get off the streets.
 
jonnyboy said:
I was put on a greyhound bus when I was 17. I wasn’t actively fleeing.
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I passed through Wyoming on a Greyhound bus when I was 17. I was headed for Decatur Alabama. Returned on a Greyhound from I think it was either Huntsville Alabama or Atlanta Georgia. Didn't turn 18 until I returned to Portland and then started college at OSU.
 
Terminal Two would make for a practical place to provide housing for the homeless.
 
jonnyboy said:
I was put on a greyhound bus when I was 17. I wasn’t actively fleeing.
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That sounds like an interesting story. Who put you on that bus and why?

barfo
 
jonnyboy said:
The two main camps in the homelessness debate always seem to be “They are just lazy” vs. “They just fell on hard times financially”
I think in reality those two scenarios make up a very small piece of the puzzle. The true homelessness landscape is one of addiction and mental illness. Most of these people would require treatment and full time care just to live functionally. The solutions you mentioned are good ideas and would cover the tangible, logistical side. Finding a literal army to care for the people in the places you mentioned would be the real challenge. It would take only a week for one of those malls or tiny homes to be trashed, deemed unlivable and condemned. And it’s not because the homeless are animals, it’s because they literally don’t have the skills to maintain any sort of structured environment on their own. I guess what I’m saying is it would take a whole shit load of people, dedicating themselves AND getting payed, to care for the homeless. And that just doesn’t exist right now, unfortunately.
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They are taking care of themselves now. They'd do a better job of it if they had a warm, dry room, electricity and locking door.

We're making it more complicated than it has to be. Get them housing ASAP. It can only get better with housing.
 
Crazy idea. But could the state and city say to homeless - we will give you housing, but you have to work for the state/city doing manual labor (I dunno maybe like cleaning up all the shit they have caused to start). We take you to and from and pay you min wage. You sleep for free. Clean up graffiti and garbage and then move onto the next thing. Of course not all of them can or will do this. There are many with psychological issues that prevent them. We need to take those people and get them HELP and also house them. If we can’t get them to do either, jail it is. Whatever it is, the option cannot be shit on the sidewalk outside your tent shooting up in the pearl at 2 pm on a Thursday.
 
calvin natt said:
Crazy idea. But could the state and city say to homeless - we will give you housing, but you have to work for the state/city doing manual labor (I dunno maybe like cleaning up all the shit they have caused to start). We take you to and from and pay you min wage. You sleep for free. Clean up graffiti and garbage and then move onto the next thing. Of course not all of them can or will do this. There are many with psychological issues that prevent them. We need to take those people and get them HELP and also house them. If we can’t get them to do either, jail it is. Whatever it is, the option cannot be shit on the sidewalk outside your tent shooting up in the pearl at 2 pm on a Thursday.
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If they both wanted, and were able, to work for a living, wouldn't they already be doing that?

barfo
 
barfo said:
If they both wanted, and were able, to work for a living, wouldn't they already be doing that?

barfo
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I think if we hand deliver them a place and a remedial job, many more would take the offer. They are out of it and have given up. I think it’s time to be a bit assertive and start the process. Doing nothing isn’t an option.
 
Shanghaiing is how Portland & Astoria dealt with vagrants. It was a booming industry that city politicians were involved with.
 
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