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SlyPokerDog said:
Both locally and nationally do you think the war on drugs has worked?
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No, but thats because the angles we fight the war is messed up. We have loosened the borders. Not good.

SlyPokerDog said:
Do you think we should continue doing the same thing or was it time to try something different?
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Open ended question. Sure. Try something different. But not legalizing it. We are seeing the results.

SlyPokerDog said:
Do you also think we should recriminalize marijuana?
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lots of potheads sitting on corners shooting up, squatting and burning buildings down and robbing stores are there???

No. Because it doesn't have the devastating effects that other drugs do.
ive never been for sweeping, all encompassing laws on drugs. They should all have thier own restrictions/laws and not be linked together.

Furthermore, each case should be looked at individually.
Forced treatment.
But also. More crackdown on the dealers. Not users.
Provide incentive for the users to turn the dealers in.

Now, some know it alls will scream that it costs more…
So what. Sometimes it costs more to get things right and sometimes it takes time. These same people think its good to hand out money to everyone. Such a double standard stance its amazing. Worried aBout higher costs but still willing to just hand out money… okay…

The drug problem and the homeless problem are tied together aNd we will never fix one without the other.
But instead we have basically passed laws to allow both to become rampant.

it will not bode well for Portland in the long run.

Now some higher moral authorities here will scream that im despicable and my stance is disgusting and blah blah blah…

oh well sometimes tough love is the only thing that gets through. Nurturing and pampering creates softness. So to those people, i say…

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Until we hold people more accountable for their decisions and actions, Portland gonna continue to flush itself down the toilet.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The only thing I can think of is a meth vaccine, which has been being worked on for the last 20 years and is still a ways from being an answer or treatment. But I think we've just had some sort of a bio-terrorism attack that has been advanced by the Deep State as justification for deadly, forced medical experimentation on Americans which violates the Geneva Convention and the longterm effects will be so heinous that you will forget all about meth, so maybe that will help.
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Fify.
 
https://www.koin.com/news/civic-affairs/hardesty-open-to-hearing-plan-on-increased-ppb-staffing/amp/

Ridiculous plan. Like retired cops want to come back here? Lol

but the good news is Hardesty is open to listening to the plan which means she is open to working with the ppb. A step forward in hopefully having opposing sides start to work together.
Now the ppb needs to try to work with her as well. Cameras on officers should be a must.
Non lethal weapons should be strongly considered over lethal weapons for most officers. Complete overhaul of hiring process, training and regular mental evaluations.

Please work together… So sad to see what i see driving around town…
 
Orion Bailey said:
https://www.opb.org/article/2021/10...ons-than-answers-early-months/?outputType=amp

Lmfao!
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So Portland police aren't harassing the poor and minority populations as much because it's no longer as profitable.

Looks good to me.

And this is where the healing happens, if it's done right.
In fact, the kind of robust treatment Ferraris and other skeptical law enforcement types are calling for is supposed to be on the way. Measure 110 will steer tens of millions of dollars toward more substance abuse treatment options around the state, most of that money derived from taxes on cannabis.

The state has already spent more than $30 million to help stabilize services. But the process of building up networks that can provide treatment, housing assistance, peer support and an array of other services to drug users throughout the state won’t begin in earnest until next year.
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Orion Bailey said:
https://www.koin.com/news/civic-affairs/hardesty-open-to-hearing-plan-on-increased-ppb-staffing/amp/

Now the ppb needs to try to work with her as well. Cameras on officers should be a must.
Non lethal weapons should be strongly considered over lethal weapons for most officers. Complete overhaul of hiring process, training and regular mental evaluations.

Please work together… So sad to see what i see driving around town…
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Absolutely. That's what she's been asking for. Great post.
 
Orion Bailey said:
No, but thats because the angles we fight the war is messed up. We have loosened the borders. Not good.


Open ended question. Sure. Try something different. But not legalizing it. We are seeing the results.



lots of potheads sitting on corners shooting up, squatting and burning buildings down and robbing stores are there???

No. Because it doesn't have the devastating effects that other drugs do.
ive never been for sweeping, all encompassing laws on drugs. They should all have thier own restrictions/laws and not be linked together.

Furthermore, each case should be looked at individually.
Forced treatment.
But also. More crackdown on the dealers. Not users.
Provide incentive for the users to turn the dealers in.

Now, some know it alls will scream that it costs more…
So what. Sometimes it costs more to get things right and sometimes it takes time. These same people think its good to hand out money to everyone. Such a double standard stance its amazing. Worried aBout higher costs but still willing to just hand out money… okay…

The drug problem and the homeless problem are tied together aNd we will never fix one without the other.
But instead we have basically passed laws to allow both to become rampant.

it will not bode well for Portland in the long run.

Now some higher moral authorities here will scream that im despicable and my stance is disgusting and blah blah blah…

oh well sometimes tough love is the only thing that gets through. Nurturing and pampering creates softness. So to those people, i say…

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Until we hold people more accountable for their decisions and actions, Portland gonna continue to flush itself down the toilet.
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There is no evidence that forced treatment works. Quite the opposite actually.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/people-with-drug-addictions-forced-into-rehab

However, there’s little research showing that forcing someone into drug treatment helps them in the long run.

Many states don’t track whether civil commitments help people with a substance use disorder stay in recovery, or how many times they enter forced treatment.

But there are studies showing that these programs don’t help and may actually be harming people instead.
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Punishing people doesn't work either. As the war on drugs has proven.
 
Orion Bailey said:
https://www.kgw.com/amp/article/new...tage/283-41e44bd4-b4bd-41d2-9cec-af36622c8868
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BigGameDamian said:
https://www.kgw.com/amp/article/new...tage/283-41e44bd4-b4bd-41d2-9cec-af36622c8868

'It's going to be problematic': Police union fears for public safety amid Gresham PD staffing shortage

Gresham Police Chief Travis Gullberg plans to remedy the problem by focusing on recruiting new officers and retaining current officers.
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yours is better. Im still learning. Lol.
 
Yep. It's almost like we should house the homeless or something... It's far more expensive not to do so...

How Finland is eradicating homelessness

Finland succeeds where the rest of Europe did not

A lot of progress has been made. We now have the lowest number of homeless. Our present government has decided that the rest of the homeless should be halved within the next four years and completely end by 2027.
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Why the taxpayer argument doesn't hold up

Keeping people homeless, instead of providing homes for them, is always more expensive for the society. In Finland we have some scientific evaluations of the cost of this program. When a homeless person gets a permanent home, even with support, the cost savings for the society are at least 15,000 Euros per one person per one year. And the cost savings come from different use of different services.

In this study, they looked at the services that homeless people used when they were without a home. They calculated every possible thing: emergency healthcare, police, justice system, etc. They then compared that cost to when people get proper housing. And this was the result. I'm quite sure this kind of cost analysis can also be found for Canada.
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https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sunday/the...finland-is-eradicating-homelessness-1.5437402
 
Natebishop3 said:
This addresses the problem as though it's strictly an issue of housing.

The articles linked above show that meth is a much larger issue that no amount of housing will fix.
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I don't know which comes first meth or homelessness, I imagine there are cases both ways.
The ones that are homelessness first, then meth, might be helped by housing.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I don't know which comes first meth or homelessness, I imagine there are cases both ways.
The ones that are homelessness first, then meth, might be helped by housing.

barfo
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The massive homeless crises that has boomed in the past 10 or so years directly follows the timeline of the new type of meth that causes mental illness.

Portland was never this bad until recently.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This addresses the problem as though it's strictly an issue of housing.

The articles linked above show that meth is a much larger issue that no amount of housing will fix.
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What it shows is that the first step to addressing the meth issue is housing.

You can't treat the meth issue by force.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This addresses the problem as though it's strictly an issue of housing.

The articles linked above show that meth is a much larger issue that no amount of housing will fix.
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barfo said:
I don't know which comes first meth or homelessness, I imagine there are cases both ways.
The ones that are homelessness first, then meth, might be helped by housing.

barfo
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Natebishop3 said:
The massive homeless crises that has boomed in the past 10 or so years directly follows the timeline of the new type of meth that causes mental illness.

Portland was never this bad until recently.
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Phatguysrule said:
What it shows is that the first step to addressing the meth issue is housing.

You can't treat the meth issue by force.
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If you go to the homeless camps you can totally see who is on meth and who is not. There are homeless that are very tidy and neat. Usually, they are off by themselves. Then there are the homeless camps that are pure chaos. Full of shit stolen from neighboring houses, yards, and businesses. Cars being junked and dismantled.

I would help the ones who don't look and act like fucking junkies first.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If you go to the homeless camps you can totally see who is on meth and who is not. There are homeless that are very tidy and neat. Usually, they are off by themselves. Then there are the homeless camps that are pure chaos. Full of shit stolen from neighboring houses, yards, and businesses. Cars being junked and dismantled.

I would help the ones who don't look and act like fucking junkies first.
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Good point. And that is definitely the way housing first works.

But as I understand it, you can't help homeless junkies. It's impossible to treat the addiction without a safe, secure place, which is stable long term. And they have to choose it.

Once you check all of those boxes you find that treating addiction can be successful. Not always, but it's possible. It's not possible when they're sleeping under a bridge or in a tent.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
If you go to the homeless camps you can totally see who is on meth and who is not. There are homeless that are very tidy and neat. Usually, they are off by themselves. Then there are the homeless camps that are pure chaos. Full of shit stolen from neighboring houses, yards, and businesses. Cars being junked and dismantled.

I would help the ones who don't look and act like fucking junkies first.
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So what you're saying is we need to design a junky-meter and if they're over, let's say 20% junky, they don't get housing assistance?
 
Phatguysrule said:
Good point. And that is definitely the way housing first works.

But as I understand it, you can't help homeless junkies. It's impossible to treat the addiction without a safe, secure place, which is stable long term. And they have to choose it.

Once you check all of those boxes you find that treating addiction can be successful. Not always, but it's possible. It's not possible when they're sleeping under a bridge.
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I know from 6-7 years ago we had a family friend that had a severe addiction. They were finally arrested and were able to sober up in jail. But as their release date was approaching they wanted to go to treatment but there was no treatment available. All they could do was get on a waitlist. And as soon as they were released from jail they started using again and then didn't want treatment.

There has to be more treatment. Jail has to be used not only for punishment but also as a tool for getting people sober and off drugs, then directly into treatment. Then while in treatment we can transition them into housing.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So what you're saying is we need to design a junky-meter and if they're over, let's say 20% junky, they don't get housing assistance?
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Sure, something like that.

We have limited resources. We have to find ways to maximize those resources and get the best results.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I know from 6-7 years ago we had a family friend that had a severe addiction. They were finally arrested and were able to sober up in jail. But as their release date was approaching they wanted to go to treatment but there was no treatment available. All they could do was get on a waitlist. And as soon as they were released from jail they started using again and then didn't want treatment.

There has to be more treatment. Jail has to be used not only for punishment but also as a tool for getting people sober and off drugs, then directly into treatment. Then while in treatment we can transition them into housing.
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That would work. Though it's far more expensive than just getting them in a home and treating them... But if that's what it takes, that's what it takes.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Good point. And that is definitely the way housing first works.

But as I understand it, you can't help homeless junkies. It's impossible to treat the addiction without a safe, secure place, which is stable long term. And they have to choose it.

Once you check all of those boxes you find that treating addiction can be successful. Not always, but it's possible. It's not possible when they're sleeping under a bridge or in a tent.
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Seems clear to me that both housing and treatment are necessary for junkies.
 
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