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SharpeScooterShooter said:
This is the difference though. I can admit things and say I should have said this or I was wrong about that.
But some others here can’t do that even in obvious circumstances. Not a chance Phats admits he may have misread my op a bit l, thinking I was focused on the tweet, like I can admit I could have worded it better to avoid such confusion.
Makes it hard to take anything serious or give respect to those types of behavioral characters/ argumentative styles.
Two types of people in this world. Those who make mistakes and admit them and those who make mistakes and never admit them. This forum is full of characters who simply can never admit even the slightest mistake and will go to great lengths to divert and deflect to avoid saying such things.
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You responded directly to his tweet, and it's his style that makes it difficult to have a discussion in here? Because they thought you might be responding to what you responded to?? Yes, you admitted you were wrong, but you worded everything poorly and responded directly to things you didn't want to actually refer to, how is anyone else supposed to interpret that? And then you get all upset and up in arms at them and their posting style because of your mistakes?
 
RR7 said:
You responded directly to his tweet, and it's his style that makes it difficult to have a discussion in here? Because they thought you might be responding to what you responded to?? Yes, you admitted you were wrong, but you worded everything poorly and responded directly to things you didn't want to actually refer to, how is anyone else supposed to interpret that? And then you get all upset and up in arms at them and their posting style because of your mistakes?
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You and him have a track record of dismissing much of posts and focusing only on what you want to point out as wrong. Often never also mentioning the parts agreed with. Second I don’t even see who posted the tweet. I saw the headline and read a bit and posted on the tweet. It was never intended to be directed at Phats.
Yes we can all improve communication. That includes not dismissing some things and nitpicking at others.
did he mention a thing about poor government decision making good or bad, which was the point of my post and what I ended with? No. Because he doesn’t want to let on that I might be right about anything at all.
And now you are doing some of the same.
Instead of saying, “yeah, you could have worded that better, but I agree the issues are being poorly handled”, you want to nitpick on me accidentally saying drug use and not drug possession.

These are communication styles that make it hard to give any respect to. They are annoying and do lead to me getting abrasive because it’s frustrating.

I don’t know of anyone who words everything perfectly all the time, but I sure know some who act as if they do and they know everything and everyone who ever disagrees is wrong.

it’s time to move on now. I’ve clarified my intent hopefully clearly enough for all. I apologize for my part in the confusion.
 
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@SlyPokerDog wasn't this dude already banned from here for not being able to follow the rules? Swore he was. If somebody deletes this question I will post it again until answered.
 
Ma'am I'm not the one on here EVERY SINGLE DAY IN MULTIPLE THREADS just constantly getting into shit with people.......OVER AND OVER AND OVER. You got kicked off of here for a reason and I don't know why they let you back. You add nothing to this forum other than CONSTANT arguments. It NEVER stops bro! EVERYDAY!
Just fucking go a day without arguing with people.....fuck.
 
Patiently waiting for your reply about how you are the victim of SOMETHING or SOMEBODY on here. Just poor you.
 
Increase in homelessness across Oregon over the past 2 years, according to Portland State University

 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
I didn’t word that right when I said previously public drug use was legal. I meant drug possession, which it was.

In the links I provided and in measure 110 small amounts of drugs were legal to carry/possess. With that cause came the effect of a significant growth in drug use.

Phats took me commenting on the tweet as all one statement about the link. My comment was about crappy government oversight in a broad spectrum.
I was not directly tying the homeless issue to drugs alone. I was commenting as a whole about the multiple issues/mistakes the government has been making.

First we make small amounts of drugs legal to possess without any foresight(should have been fairly obvious) that drug use would increase both privately and publicly. And in three years public drug use increased significantly.
This issue put more people on the streets, increasing the homeless issue we already had.
Then we had to claim a state of emergency because of it.

then we have the increase of homeless that we have been working hard to fix, yet can’t fix even half of it based on the tweet.
I did not cite anything in the article in the tweet, in my post. I was simply summizing the issues and responses we have taken as being complete failures of the government.
Phats took it on himself to imply I was specifically saying everything based on the tweet alone.

government failure was my point. But instead of acknowledging that, Phats did the typical, argue Symantec’s without ever admitting/agreeing on the obvious issues I was pointing out. Instead of asking me to clarify if he didn’t understand what I posted , he did the typical, no one said, no one did blah blah deflection instead of focusing on the point of the post.


in that quote, I said drug use and should have said drug possession.
He focused on that instead of my point, which was poor government management. the usual deflective focus that so often happens.
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I corrected your misstatements. That's all.

Measure 110 did not make anything legal. It has also shown to have no negative impact on overdose rates.

Study says drug decriminalization in Oregon did not cause more overdose deaths


I said drug use and should have said drug possession.
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So now it's not enough that police can actually arrest people for public drug use (if they actually chose to do their jobs), but you want them to be able to go back to harassing the poor and minorities because they "suspect" they may have small amounts of drugs in their possession?

That plays right into the fascist lies that have been spread by police.

The fact that police have lost that ability and incentive to harass people is part of what is great about measure 110. The other part is that more people are given the access to treatment, and the measure funds said treatment using taxes collected from the sale of controlled substances.

Those are all good things. If a law from 1971 needs to be adjusted so it is more clear that public use of controlled substances is illegal then so be it.

As long as police have evidence of said public use I'm fine with them arresting people for it.

If you see someone using in public get a video and send it to police. They'll have all the evidence they need to remove that person from that place and take them to a shelter as well as fine them, if nothing else.

They are being paid. They should do their jobs.
 
THE HCP said:
Ma'am I'm not the one on here EVERY SINGLE DAY IN MULTIPLE THREADS just constantly getting into shit with people.......OVER AND OVER AND OVER. You got kicked off of here for a reason and I don't know why they let you back. You add nothing to this forum other than CONSTANT arguments. It NEVER stops bro! EVERYDAY!
Just fucking go a day without arguing with people.....fuck.
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THE HCP said:
Patiently waiting for your reply about how you are the victim of SOMETHING or SOMEBODY on here. Just poor you.
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use the fucking ignore button then….

@SlyPokerDog would you kindly show this guy how to use the ignore button so he isn’t continuously trying to create drama amidst the middle of other peoples’ conversations? He is back at chasing me around the forum inserting his bs anytime he sees me disagreeing about anything with anyone. There is an ignore function he can easily use but instead continues to try to egg me on, creating drama. Which I know first hand you frown upon. I’m not seeking him out and barely acknowledge him and his games. But he is trying to make more drama than there currently is without adding anything positive, constructive or relevance to the conversation.
Anyone who reads up on this forum knows that Phats and I often go back and forth mostly in a respectable manner, but are capable of moving on and not holding grudges. Unfortunately this guy seems obsessed with me.
He tagged you. Please educate him on ignore button.
Thanks! :)
 
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Phatguysrule said:
I corrected your misstatements. That's all.

Measure 110 did not make anything legal. It has also shown to have no negative impact on overdose rates.

Study says drug decriminalization in Oregon did not cause more overdose deaths




So now it's not enough that police can actually arrest people for public drug use (if they actually chose to do their jobs), but you want them to be able to go back to harassing the poor and minorities because they "suspect" they may have small amounts of drugs in their possession?

That plays right into the fascist lies that have been spread by police.

The fact that police have lost that ability and incentive to harass people is part of what is great about measure 110. The other part is that more people are given the access to treatment, and the measure funds said treatment using taxes collected from the sale of controlled substances.

Those are all good things. If a law from 1971 needs to be adjusted so it is more clear that public use of controlled substances is illegal then so be it.

As long as police have evidence of said public use I'm fine with them arresting people for it.

If you see someone using in public get a video and send it to police. They'll have all the evidence they need to remove that person from that place and take them to a shelter as well as fine them, if nothing else.

They are being paid. They should do their jobs.
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lack of excess drug overdoses does not mean there isn’t an increase of drug use. Drug use has a different definition than drug overdoses.
You know this right?
The next question you asked is a huge hyperbole leap.
Move on. We disagree.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
lack of excess drug overdoses does not mean there isn’t an increase of drug use. Drug use has a different definition than drug overdoses.
You know this right?
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So it doesn't cause more overdoses and it funds addiction treatment. Perfect.

SharpeScooterShooter said:
The next question you asked is a huge hyperbole leap.
Move on. We disagree.
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Hyperbole? How else would making possession a more serious crime do anything? Police would have to search people to find it. I'm not interested in a bunch of jackboots patting people down in public trying to stick them with a possession charge. Even if they wouldn't target me.
We all know who they would target. Right? Right...

Again, I'm not at all interested in that fascist paradise.

Here are some fun links...
Portland police chief to city cops: Stop telling residents DA Mike Schmidt won’t prosecute crimes

Prosecution rates have stayed about the same. Arrests are down.

Hmm. Looks like the problem with prosecution has been lack of police doing their job, or doing the job half-assed.

Lack of lawyers leads 5 criminal defendants to ask federal court to dismiss their sex crime, assault cases
And the only problem with getting more convictions (aside from police failing to collect adequate evidence) is a lack of public defenders. But for some reason police aren't complaining about that... I wonder why?
 
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SharpeScooterShooter said:
Lmao.. your going to continue to be obtuse…

it was so rampant they had to try to ban it.

https://www.opb.org/article/2023/09/02/portland-revisits-ban-public-drug-use-legal-issues/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/11/us/portland-oregon-drug-laws.html

Public drug use has skyrocketed across the state and many blame a law that went into effect in 2021. This law made Oregon the first state in the country to decriminalize small amounts of hard drugs like heroin, fentanyl, and cocaine. It's called Measure 110, and it effectively made all drugs legal.Nov 8, 2023

https://apnews.com/article/oregon-drug-decriminalization-law-3f851183d45e9c29609360b09e996d04


People who argue like you do are contributing to getting nothing done. Maybe concede some petty shit and admit what’s really going on. But you pick at petty semantics instead of addressing the issues. Hence nothing gets done.
Good job.
I’ll keep seeing the reality of what’s going on.

No measure 110 didn’t specifically say public drug use is legal but to deny it wasn’t a large contributor to it is simply putting your head in the sand.

No wonder nothing gets solved when voters such as yourself take these silly stances…

I stand by my op that you quoted and took issue with…

cause and effect is a real thing. But not to all apparently…

Moving on now, as you haven’t brought anything relevant or educational to this discussion.
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SharpeScooterShooter said:
This is the difference though. I can admit things and say I should have said this or I was wrong about that.
But some others here can’t do that even in obvious circumstances. Not a chance Phats admits he may have misread my op a bit l, thinking I was focused on the tweet, like I can admit I could have worded it better to avoid such confusion.
Makes it hard to take anything serious or give respect to those types of behavioral characters/ argumentative styles.
Two types of people in this world. Those who make mistakes and admit them and those who make mistakes and never admit them. This forum is full of characters who simply can never admit even the slightest mistake and will go to great lengths to divert and deflect to avoid saying such things.
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THE HCP said:
And I'M the one people have on ignore?
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THE HCP said:
@SlyPokerDog wasn't this dude already banned from here for not being able to follow the rules? Swore he was. If somebody deletes this question I will post it again until answered.
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SharpeScooterShooter said:
Care to say what rules I have broken? Our are you just continuously trying to create drama?
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THE HCP said:
Oh you DIDN'T get kicked off this site?
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SharpeScooterShooter said:
oh, you AREN’T continuously trying to create drama?
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THE HCP said:
Ma'am I'm not the one on here EVERY SINGLE DAY IN MULTIPLE THREADS just constantly getting into shit with people.......OVER AND OVER AND OVER. You got kicked off of here for a reason and I don't know why they let you back. You add nothing to this forum other than CONSTANT arguments. It NEVER stops bro! EVERYDAY!
Just fucking go a day without arguing with people.....fuck.
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THE HCP said:
Patiently waiting for your reply about how you are the victim of SOMETHING or SOMEBODY on here. Just poor you.
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SharpeScooterShooter said:
use the fucking ignore button then….

@SlyPokerDog would you kindly show this guy how to use the ignore button so he isn’t continuously trying to create drama amidst the middle of other peoples’ conversations? He is back at chasing me around the forum inserting his bs anytime he sees me disagreeing about anything with anyone. There is an ignore function he can easily use but instead continues to try to egg me on, creating drama. Which I know first hand you frown upon. I’m not seeking him out and barely acknowledge him and his games. But he is trying to make more drama than there currently is without adding anything positive, constructive or relevance to the conversation.
Anyone who reads up on this forum knows that Phats and I often go back and forth mostly in a respectable manner, but are capable of moving on and not holding grudges. Unfortunately this guy seems obsessed with me.
He tagged you. Please educate him on ignore button.
Thanks! :)
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SlyPokerDog said:
No, that should not be a jailable offense. Some community service of having to plant 100 trees would be appropriate and fair.
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it can be both, thing is I seriously doubt that planting 100 trees would keep them from doing stupid shit again.
 
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