Rumor What's going on in Portland?

[ABM]

But you grew up a few blocks from where I now live. Surely you have some direct family that still lives in this little modest town.

The closest to you is a sis in the Woodstock district. I have family in Canby, plus another sis in The Dalles.

 

[Lanny]

The closest to you is a sis in the Woodstock district. I have family in Canby, plus another sis in The Dalles.

Nothing on my side of the Willamette?

 

[ABM]

Nothing on my side of the Willamette?

Just past girlfriends.

 

[ABM]

Nothing on my side of the Willamette?

I split L.O. when I was 17. Since then, I've lived in Portland, Gladstone, Aurora, Milwaukie, Willamette (West Linn), Bend, Vancouver.

 

[julius]

My whole family lives there. That's firsthand enough for me at this point in time.

Firsthand doesn't mean "well, my family told me". That is completely the opposite of "firsthand" means.

 

[ABM]

Firsthand doesn't mean "well, my family told me". That is completely the opposite of "firsthand" means.

K, so you must be down there in the midst witnessing everything firsthand. Otherwise, any other means of acquiring relative information is suspect.

 

[julius]

K, so you must be down there in the midst witnessing everything firsthand.

OR, and hear me out, maybe the opinions of the people who actually *HAVE* witnessed it firsthand has a little more clout than those who don't seem to know what the word "firsthand" means and think that words from relatives who don't live in the city or probably visit downtown means "firsthand".

Otherwise, any other means of acquiring relative information is suspect.

Actually, that's kind of the point. Why do you think trials have "eyewitnesses" and not "heard it from his brother who heard it on the radio"?

 

[ABM]

OR, and hear me out, maybe the opinions of the people who actually *HAVE* witnessed it firsthand has a little more clout than those who don't seem to know what the word "firsthand" means and think that words from relatives who don't live in the city or probably visit downtown means "firsthand"..

Well, there's firsthand knowledge, then there's firsthand evidence.

At any rate. to your point, I'm receiving most of my information from family members who are very close to the situation(s) there. That said, I'll certainly be very careful how to relate what I'm hearing from them for your sake in the matter(s).

 

[julius]

Well, there's firsthand knowledge, then there's firsthand evidence.

of which you have neither.

At any rate. to your point, I'm receiving most of my information from family members who are very close to the situation(s) there. That said, I'll certainly be very careful how to relate what I'm hearing from them for your sake in the matter(s).

You should be more concerned about people taking what you say seriously instead of passing it off as just another nonsensical comment you made.

 

[ABM]

You should be more concerned about people taking what you say seriously instead of passing it off as just another nonsensical comment you made.

I should? OK, thanks, coach.

 

[julius]

I should? OK, thanks, coach.

Well, I would hope that people when they post here, want to be taken seriously or at least knowledgeable about something. But if they don't want to, I guess admitting you don't know what the concept of "firsthand" is, and that even though you are, by definition, wrong about it but still think you made a valid point, that's the way to go.

I mean sure, you could just admit you're trolling people, but I don't think that's the case. I think you're either too stubborn to admit you're wrong about something OR don't know that you're actually wrong about something.

Either way, maybe you should listen to the coach.

 

[ABM]

Well, I would hope that people when they post here, want to be taken seriously or at least knowledgeable about something. But if they don't want to, I guess admitting you don't know what the concept of "firsthand" is, and that even though you are, by definition, wrong about it but still think you made a valid point, that's the way to go.

I mean sure, you could just admit you're trolling people, but I don't think that's the case. I think you're either too stubborn to admit you're wrong about something OR don't know that you're actually wrong about something.

Either way, maybe you should listen to the coach.

K, coach...this was my response to barfo:

"So, living thousands of miles away necessarily means I'd have absolutely no knowledge of the goings on in Portland and Oregon as a whole. Now that truly would be pathetic."

What's your point?

 

[julius]

K, coach...this was my response to barfo:

"So, living thousands of miles away necessarily means I'd have absolutely no knowledge of the goings on in Portland and Oregon as a whole. Now that truly would be pathetic."

You seem to be confusing issues here. No where has anyone said you'd have NO knowledge, just that you don't know firsthand, and are just repeating what you've heard. It's called the telephone game.

How would you feel passed on an opinion I have about the state of Tennessee, based on the fact I have relatives there who, for the most part, already share my opinion of how things are run? (There's that pesky confirmation bias again).

i.e., "All of my relatives in Memphis told me that the Mayor of Nashville is a total joke! And I agree."

And then when pressed for reasons why I feel that way, I just repeat it "I have relatives there! so I know"

And then when I complain about someone being critical of me passing off incorrect (or inaccurate) information about the mayor (and can't back it up with anything other than "it's what I've been told"), they point out I haven't had firsthand knowledge of the situation (which is true, I don't have firsthand knowledge).

Wouldn't you then think "well, I *live* in Nashville, maybe I know more about what is happening than those people who don't?" Or would you think "well, that's firsthand knowledge, and while it doesn't jive with what I, a person who actually lives there has experienced, nor does it match anything I've seen while driving through the city, I have to admit, they have firsthand knowledge of the situation"??

What's your point?

You were passing it off as though it was what you KNOW to be the case.

Like, right now, I KNOW it to be the case that there is a car outside of my house. Hey ABM, there's a crappy car outside of my house.

Your respond with "hey, there's a clunker car outside of julius' house! He told me!"

"What kind of car is it? Why is it crappy?"

"Well, my friend julius said it was a crappy car, so it's obviously a junker"

Little did you know, maybe I just don't like that variety of car? Or maybe i don't like my neighbor who is parking there illegally? I know firsthand and can pass off that information as firsthand. You can't. You at best have secondhand knowledge of the situation, and being several thousand miles away, doesn't really give you credibility.

 

[ABM]

You seem to be confusing issues here. No where has anyone said you'd have NO knowledge, just that you don't know firsthand, and are just repeating what you've heard. It's called the telephone game.

How would you feel passed on an opinion I have about the state of Tennessee, based on the fact I have relatives there who, for the most part, already share my opinion of how things are run? (There's that pesky confirmation bias again).

i.e., "All of my relatives in Memphis told me that the Mayor of Nashville is a total joke! And I agree."

And then when pressed for reasons why I feel that way, I just repeat it "I have relatives there! so I know"

And then when I complain about someone being critical of me passing off incorrect (or inaccurate) information about the mayor (and can't back it up with anything other than "it's what I've been told"), they point out I haven't had firsthand knowledge of the situation (which is true, I don't have firsthand knowledge).

Wouldn't you then think "well, I *live* in Nashville, maybe I know more about what is happening than those people who don't?" Or would you think "well, that's firsthand knowledge, and while it doesn't jive with what I, a person who actually lives there has experienced, nor does it match anything I've seen while driving through the city, I have to admit, they have firsthand knowledge of the situation"??



You were passing it off as though it was what you KNOW to be the case.

Like, right now, I KNOW it to be the case that there is a car outside of my house. Hey ABM, there's a crappy car outside of my house.

Your respond with "hey, there's a clunker car outside of julius' house! He told me!"

"What kind of car is it? Why is it crappy?"

"Well, my friend julius said it was a crappy car, so it's obviously a junker"

Little did you know, maybe I just don't like that variety of car? Or maybe i don't like my neighbor who is parking there illegally? I know firsthand and can pass off that information as firsthand. You can't. You at best have secondhand knowledge of the situation, and being several thousand miles away, doesn't really give you credibility.

What is it I've specifically said in this 1,200+ post thread you're having issue with?

 

[julius]

What is it I've specifically said in this 1,200+ post thread you're having issue with?

Are you not reading what i just wrote? I specifically referenced how you make a claim that you think the Mayor is an "abject failure", but fail to give any examples past "my relatives tell me so".


I don't have time, nor the interest, to go over things you've said that you'll just ignore. So I'll just point out the most recent glaring example.

My whole family lives there. That's firsthand enough for me at this point in time.

Thing is, if you go back through the thread, you'll see that from the very start, people responded by saying they actually live here and what you're saying doesn't jive. Is it a conspiracy against you by the "liberals of the board" or is it that you are saying nonsense?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Are you not reading what i just wrote? I specifically referenced how you make a claim that you think the Mayor is an "abject failure", but fail to give any examples past "my relatives tell me so".


I don't have time, nor the interest, to go over things you've said that you'll just ignore. So I'll just point out the most recent glaring example.




Thing is, if you go back through the thread, you'll see that from the very start, people responded by saying they actually live here and what you're saying doesn't jive. Is it a conspiracy against you by the "liberals of the board" or is it that you are saying nonsense?

I think you care too much that ABM cares too much about the mayor of Portland.

 

[ABM]

Are you not reading what i just wrote? I specifically referenced how you make a claim that you think the Mayor is an "abject failure", but fail to give any examples past "my relatives tell me so".


I don't have time, nor the interest, to go over things you've said that you'll just ignore. So I'll just point out the most recent glaring example.




Thing is, if you go back through the thread, you'll see that from the very start, people responded by saying they actually live here and what you're saying doesn't jive. Is it a conspiracy against you by the "liberals of the board" or is it that you are saying nonsense?

I've posted links, surveys, and the like. Go ahead and choose to ignore. Be my guest. If you disagree with me and think he's doing fine, that's your choice.

Yawn.

 

[THE HCP]

I've posted links, surveys, and the like. Go ahead and choose to ignore. Be my guest. If you disagree with me and think he's doing fine, that's your choice.

Yawn.

I've said own here 3 or 4 times that my family and I have been downtown, walks on the waterfront and dinner where the city is supposedly on fire. But you refuse to believe me. I've even posted pictures. Your family from CANBY must have a better pulse on the inner city vibe than me.

 

[julius]

I think you care too much that ABM cares too much about the mayor of Portland.

I think it's more that I would hope someone would be able to show growth.

 

[julius]

I've posted links, surveys, and the like. Go ahead and choose to ignore. Be my guest. If you disagree with me and think he's doing fine, that's your choice.

Yawn.

but you haven't given reasons why YOU PERSONALLY feel that way. You just posted anecdotal evidence.


As for "think he's doing fine", you clearly haven't been paying attention. the difference is I actually have stated reasons why I feel he's a bad mayor, instead of relying on relatives and "surveys" and the like.

 

[julius]

I've said own here 3 or 4 times that my family and I have been downtown, walks on the waterfront and dinner where the city is supposedly on fire. But you refuse to believe me. I've even posted pictures. Your family from CANBY must have a better pulse on the inner city vibe than me.

Well, it is Canby...that shit hole is a shit hole for a reason.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think it's more that I would hope someone would be able to show growth.

ABM has showed growth, it's just not in a direction that you personally agree with.

 

[julius]

ABM has showed growth, it's just not in a direction that you personally agree with.

I don't care if he votes for trump, I don't care if he thinks biden is a creepy rapist..I do care that facts and the dictionary don't seem to apply to his thought process.

 

[ABM]

but you haven't given reasons why YOU PERSONALLY feel that way. You just posted anecdotal evidence.


As for "think he's doing fine", you clearly haven't been paying attention. the difference is I actually have stated reasons why I feel he's a bad mayor, instead of relying on relatives and "surveys" and the like.

Ted Wheeler is an abject failure as Mayor of Portland, OR. I don't have to have any more evidence than what I've been reading, hearing, and seeing. This is 2020. We ALL make evaluations without having to be in one particular place, moment, and/or time. I'm really not certain why you want to keep hammering on this point. It's become a bit nonsensical, at best.

You know what, though? This will all be moot when he gets tossed by the voters in November. Y'all won't have ol' Ted to kick around anymore.

As to @SlyPokerDog thinking I care about the Mayor of Portland, OR too much? OK, well, I was born and raised there, so there's that. I do still have family and friends there, so there's that. Moreover, I've been responding to comments and assertions by julius and others ad nauseam, so there's that, too.

It is interesting that nearly 2/3 of Portland wants Wheeler gone. It's plain to see....from even 2,000 miles away. This horse is pretty much mincemeat.

 

[julius]

Ted Wheeler is an abject failure as Mayor of Portland, OR. I don't have to have any more evidence than what I've been reading, hearing, and seeing. This is 2020. We ALL make evaluations without having to be in one particular place, moment, and/or time. I'm really not certain why you want to keep hammering on this point. It's become a bit nonsensical, at best.

You know what, though? This will all be moot when he gets tossed by the voters in November. Y'all won't have ol' Ted to kick around anymore.

I didn't think citing examples was too high of a bar to expect, but apparently it is.

Let's try this another way.

"I think Donald Trump is an abject failure as President"

"why?"

"my family tells me he is and I've read things"

"So what in your opinion makes him an abject failure?"

"I've read things and my family has told me stuff"

"Like what?"

"Listen, I'm allowed to have my opinion"

"I'm not saying you aren't allowed to have an opinion, I just would hope you'd actually be able to express why it is you have it."

"I believe it because my family has told me that he is, and I've read stuff. I don't know what more I can tell you"

"you could tell me one example. Like, you could say how he downplayed Covid 19, made fun of someone with a disability, lies a lot, calls people names, seems to blame victims for them being victims, and seems to put the interests and desires of foreign dictators ahead of that of the United States. That's just off the top of my head"

"Well like I said, my family told me this, and I believe them"

"told you WHAT?"

"That he's an abject failure as President."

"I give up. "

"Apology accepted"





In a nutshell, using a circular argument is a lazy way to go through life.

 

[ABM]

I didn't think citing examples was too high of a bar to expect, but apparently it is.

Let's try this another way.

"I think Donald Trump is an abject failure as President"

"why?"

"my family tells me he is and I've read things"

"So what in your opinion makes him an abject failure?"

"I've read things and my family has told me stuff"

"Like what?"

"Listen, I'm allowed to have my opinion"

"I'm not saying you aren't allowed to have an opinion, I just would hope you'd actually be able to express why it is you have it."

"I believe it because my family has told me that he is, and I've read stuff. I don't know what more I can tell you"

"you could tell me one example. Like, you could say how he downplayed Covid 19, made fun of someone with a disability, lies a lot, calls people names, seems to blame victims for them being victims, and seems to put the interests and desires of foreign dictators ahead of that of the United States. That's just off the top of my head"

"Well like I said, my family told me this, and I believe them"

"told you WHAT?"

"That he's an abject failure as President."

"I give up. "

"Apology accepted"





In a nutshell, using a circular argument is a lazy way to go through life.

You think Donald Trump is an abject failure as POTUS because you've read stuff and people tell you things.

OR, perhaps, you don't think he's an abject failure as POTUS for whatever reason.

Stuff like this leads to wagers.

 

[julius]

You think Donald Trump is an abject failure as POTUS because you've read stuff and people tell you things.

OR, perhaps, you don't think he's an abject failure as POTUS for whatever reason.

Stuff like this leads to wagers.

that sound you hear was the point flying over your head.

 

[ABM]

that sound you hear was the point flying over your head.

I get all your so-called points. Parsing every jot and tittle of each conversations/debates gets a bit weary, though.

So, you don't think Trump is an abject failure as POTUS?

 

[Propagandist]

I think it's more that I would hope someone would be able to show growth.

It'll get you everytime...and I know (actually) firsthand.

 

[ABM]

It'll get you everytime...and I know (actually) firsthand.

Says the Propagandist.