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I just drive 205 from Wilsonville to Oregon City. The Trump caravan is on the roll and headed for downtown. Another crazy night in chaos central. Maybe the wind storm will blow all the haters on both sides out to the Pacific.
 
e_blazer said:
I just drive 205 from Wilsonville to Oregon City. The Trump caravan is on the roll and headed for downtown. Another crazy night in chaos central. Maybe the wind storm will blow all the haters on both sides out to the Pacific.
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I don’t think so. They said they wouldn’t cross into Multnomah county.
 
tlongII said:
I don’t think so. They said they wouldn’t cross into Multnomah county.
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Good. I hope that's the case. I was just assuming from the previous caravan, which is never a good thing to do.
 
tlongII said:
I don’t think so. They said they wouldn’t cross into Multnomah county.
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nah they can just attack the counter protestors in Salem they don’t need to go all the way to Portland this time..


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The Salem Police Department made multiple arrests after rally goers attacked some of the counter protestors, supported by Oregon State Police. Videos on social media show right-wing protesters chasing, tackling and assaulting left-wing protestors with weapons, fists and pepper spray. Paintballs were also fired between the two groups.


After unfolding a large American flag on the steps of the capitol, right-wing protesters charged counter-protesters, leaving several injured. Right-wing protestors made a second rush later, tackling and beating at least one person, leading to two arrests.”

fucking.scum
 
ehizzy3 said:
nah they can just attack the counter protestors in Salem they don’t need to go all the way to Portland this time..


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The Salem Police Department made multiple arrests after rally goers attacked some of the counter protestors, supported by Oregon State Police. Videos on social media show right-wing protesters chasing, tackling and assaulting left-wing protestors with weapons, fists and pepper spray. Paintballs were also fired between the two groups.


After unfolding a large American flag on the steps of the capitol, right-wing protesters charged counter-protesters, leaving several injured. Right-wing protestors made a second rush later, tackling and beating at least one person, leading to two arrests.”

fucking.scum
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Yah this shit needs to stop.
 
jonnyboy said:
Pretty hard to blame Trump for riots that are 100% started, and participated in by people on the left. It’s like the people on the left claiming they’re “worried” about there being more unrest if Trump is re-elected. They aren’t actually expressing concern, they are making a poorly-veiled threat. A promise to cause more strife if they don’t get their way. It’s like if I said I was “worried” I might beat up my wife if I get drunk - with a beer in my hand.

It’s total bullshit.
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Nah. I'm worried about there being more unrest, and yet there's no fucking way I'll be out rioting, no matter what happens. There are quite a few million leftists who don't ever riot.

barfo
 
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THE HCP said:
It's a god damn INTERSECTION! NOT the CITY of Portland!
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i love how the one like this got is from someone who is never here in portland to see.

nah. We dont have blind followers who will tribal gang here... lol

anyhow i drove all over portland this last weekend? 205, 84 and i5.

The city is trash.

Junk everywhere. Trash piling into the streets in some areas. Tents EVERYWHERE....

two city blocks my ass. Some people just live in a bubble i suppose...

Actual protesting and violence my just be downtown but the ripple effects are city wide...
 
RR7 said:
That article talks about cleanup from the protests, but, that would be that 2 block area. Yeah, theres trash down there. But your post was talking about the city being trash, and tents everywhere. Tents have nothing at all to do with the protests going on downtown, so I don't see your connection.
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prior to the protests, when i lived downtown, i didn't know then who antifa was, but looking back i now know. They were trashing downtown then. Riding bikes through town with masks. I watched one kick over a newspaper stand a few years ago. Prior to the blm protests there have been many others and each time left the place in shambles.
So yeah its my opinion, not fact that i think antifa is trashing the place. I dont think its only them. But i think they are compounding the issue and helping to derail this once beautiful city into a trash heap.

But hey. Thanks for engaging in a civil matter. It IS appreciated.
 
Orion Bailey said:
prior to the protests, when i lived downtown, i didn't know then who antifa was, but looking back i now know. They were trashing downtown then. Riding bikes through town with masks. I watched one kick over a newspaper stand a few years ago. Prior to the blm protests there have been many others and each time left the place in shambles.
So yeah its my opinion, not fact that i think antifa is trashing the place. I dont think its only them. But i think they are compounding the issue and helping to derail this once beautiful city into a trash heap.

But hey. Thanks for engaging in a civil matter. It IS appreciated.
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What he is saying is the tents are not because of the protests. There has been a homeless problem for a long time in Portland and it has been compounded by the coronavirus. A lot of people lost their jobs and homes and we are seeing that in a dramatic rise of the number of tents around Portland.

I dont think he is questioning your take on antifa or what is going on downtown. He is just saying a lot of the tents and trash outside downtown are because of a rise in homeless not the protests.
 
Chris Craig said:
What he is saying is the tents are not because of the protests. There has been a homeless problem for a long time in Portland and it has been compounded by the coronavirus. A lot of people lost their jobs and homes and we are seeing that in a dramatic rise of the number of tents around Portland.

I dont think he is questioning your take on antifa or what is going on downtown. He is just saying a lot of the tents and trash outside downtown are because of a rise in homeless not the protests.
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fair enough. I can agree although i still think antifa is compounding it in the areas they “patrol”

What im saying is the homeless dont care (not sure they ever did) because they see the city goign to hell so they are getting dirty and dirty as well.
On 205 and powell there have been tents for years but little trash. This weekend there was more trash than tents laying around in that area.
The violent and destructive portion of the protests are polarizing Americans into thinking war is inevitable and we are losing discipline in many areas, including self upkeep of surroundings.
Shit, even i let my garden go and its all weedy now.
 
It just seems like a giant leap to me to think more trash from the homeless is because of protests. It feels like a way to plant blame unnecessarily. It feels like a political tactic used to "other" people. And if you can other or label, you got someone to blame and to hate.
It sucks when kids kick over newspaper stands. The need to label them as antifa because of it seems contrived.
 
RR7 said:
It just seems like a giant leap to me to think more trash from the homeless is because of protests. It feels like a way to plant blame unnecessarily. It feels like a political tactic used to "other" people. And if you can other or label, you got someone to blame and to hate.
It sucks when kids kick over newspaper stands. The need to label them as antifa because of it seems contrived.
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even when their mask had an AF on it?

i didn't know what it was then. But i do now.

i did assume it was just kids at first. Until i learned that AF was for Antifascism which turned into Antifa.
So im not so sure its as giant of a leap as you think.
 
Existential question.

If you are anti-antifa, are you pro fascism?
 
illmatic99 said:
Existential question.

If you are anti-antifa, are you pro fascism?
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nope. I dont think antifa follows through with what they claim.
Of course im against fascism. And im agaisnt using fascist techniques to battle fascism.

I dont see two wrongs equalling a right.
 
Orion Bailey said:
again. Its a response reaction. Its called mockery. I cant count how many times ive been called a trumper or some other demeaning because of one opinion.

im mocking what some on the left do in here.
Im only going to be insulted for so long before its returned in kind...
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Orion Bailey said:
I dont see two wrongs equalling a right.
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huh
 
RR7 said:
huh
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ohh come on. You Re saying that antifa is mocking fascism?


Your not able to distinguish two very different topics, of convos in here vs antifa actions on the streets?

Is this just Another inaccurate attempt at “ i got you”?


sigh.....
 
You're saying if you're wronged, you'll respond in kind, while also stating two wrongs don't make a right.
I'm not saying they're mocking fascism. Like you stated about yourself, there's only so much you can take, before your held belief that two wrongs don't make a right goes out the window. So surely you'd respect when others get to that same level, no?
 
RR7 said:
You're saying if you're wronged, you'll respond in kind, while also stating two wrongs don't make a right.
I'm not saying they're mocking fascism. Like you stated about yourself, there's only so much you can take, before your held belief that two wrongs don't make a right goes out the window. So surely you'd respect when others get to that same level, no?
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sure. Show me proof that fascism is taking over the country.
 
Orion Bailey said:
sure. Show me proof that fascism is taking over the country.
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The definition of fascism:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual

Now, I don't see how antifa is becoming fascist, like some claim. Violence/= fascism. But, I can see elements of fascist behavior in the cult of trump.
 
RR7 said:
You're saying if you're wronged, you'll respond in kind, while also stating two wrongs don't make a right.
I'm not saying they're mocking fascism. Like you stated about yourself, there's only so much you can take, before your held belief that two wrongs don't make a right goes out the window. So surely you'd respect when others get to that same level, no?
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also. Im not here mocking innocent people. Only those who are rude.

antifa is invading innocent people. When you block traffic of innocent people instead of go against legislature, its no longer a positive thing.

not sure how the two can be compared when im going directly back at those i feel are rude and antifa is randomly goin against innocent people.
 
Orion Bailey said:
also. Im not here mocking innocent people. Only those who are rude.

antifa is invading innocent people. When you block traffic of innocent people instead of go against legislature, its no longer a positive thing.

not sure how the two can be compared when im going directly back at those i feel are rude and antifa is randomly goin against innocent people.
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But still, two wrongs make it right for you, is what I see? Because you were wronged? And just going after the rude people.
 
RR7 said:
The definition of fascism:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual

Now, I don't see how antifa is becoming fascist, like some claim. Violence/= fascism. But, I can see elements of fascist behavior in the cult of trump.
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hmm ive understood it to be that, but pushing their values via violence and force and not via legislature and voting in reps that support thier agenda?

Also is putting the masses above the individual a bad thing? Meaning we should let all Americans die if we cant save one? Sometimes the singular must be sacrificed for The masses to continue?

not saying i agree. Im asking. Whats more important. The needs of the few or the needs of the many?

also the needs of the few shouldn't be dismissed but sometimes are denied because it doesn't fit for the masses.

However the masses could learn better how to coexist.
 
RR7 said:
But still, two wrongs make it right for you, is what I see? Because you were wronged? And just going after the rude people.
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yep. But see im admitting it and giving full disclosure and have stated why.

now i was in full on mockery mode. Ive switch up a bit as this morning convos have gone on.
Why? Because i actually feel constructive engagement doesnt deserve that type of response and for the most part i feel your engagement has been an attempt at being constructive. Not destructive.
I will say this though. I get your point.
Lead by example...
 
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RR7 said:
The definition of fascism:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual

Now, I don't see how antifa is becoming fascist, like some claim. Violence/= fascism. But, I can see elements of fascist behavior in the cult of trump.
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Fascism is sort of hard to define as it's taken different masks throughout the 20th century.
Paxton, author of several books, including "The Anatomy of Fascism" (Vintage, 2005), said fascism is based more on feelings than philosophical ideas. In his 1988 essay "The Five Stages of Fascism," published in 1998 in the Journal of Modern History, he defined seven feelings that act as "mobilizing passions" for fascist regimes. They are:

  1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.
  2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
  3. The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
  4. A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."
  5. Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
  6. Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
  7. "The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.

I think it's safe to say that there are elements of antifa that look fairly fascist. We've reached a state of polarization in the US that the vocal extremes seem to define even the moderates who are further right or left of those they may be closer to on the Overton window. The problem really comes in that the extreme's are extreme's for a reason, violence is just a means to an end for them. Their cause is more important than the lives of people. Anyone who doesn't identify as part of their group is considered the enemy, and any enemy is a threat. antifa, might be anti-facism but often times people turn into what they hate the most. I'd say Trump wouldn't mind being a fascist authoritative figure, but when antifa is demanding politicians step down so they can replace them with their own people, it sounds like they don't mind the idea of governmental authority, they just want to be the ones to wield it.
 
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barfo said:
Nah. I'm worried about there being more unrest, and yet there's no fucking way I'll be out rioting, no matter what happens. There are quite a few million leftists who don't ever riot.

barfo
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Count me in. I'd love to protest if I physically could but I will never riot.
By the way, I'd place a Black Lives Matter lawn sign in my front yard right across the street from a large high school if I could find one.
 
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