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Orion Bailey said:
Okay, but there are republicans who don't support Trump. That doesn't make sense. Just because they don't all politically align on all things doesn't mean they don't have a unified political agenda and can use that to influence voting, etc. The only thing that matters is they are aiding to push people away from a just movement with the tactics they use, so in reality they have already started influencing voters. just the opposite of what they strive for. There is no sweeping movement of support for Antifa like there is BLM. BLM's tactics have been much more peaceful overall, though they also have their extremists. At any rate Antifa is absolutely a political entity with influence.



Then why are they trying to set federal buildings on fire on a regular basis? You are saying those are just anarchist standing along side Antifa? dress the same as antifa?
I get what you are saying about the spirit of things, but hasn't history proven you cant begat violence with violence? Doesn't violence always leave one side feeling...abused... wronged... etc? Doesn't that almost always lead to a want of revenge?

What happened to Black people in this country is absolutely tragic and one of man's historical atrocities. He have slowly been trying to fix it and now have become glaringly aware of how the institution also needs to change. But it cant all happen at once or it all collapses. And this demand for instant change all of a sudden, to me, is going to undermine all that has improved. More and more people who were in support or on the fence are stepping up and saying this is enough. You lose me if it continues. And I don't speak of peaceful protests. I speak of the ones lighting things on fires.

So two things come to mind. Antifa, needs to call these people out and separate themselves from them, if they truly aren't Antifa. Second, intent is great and all, but if it doesn't make things better, then its just misdirected and wasted energy.
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The point is that antifa isn't a political group. They aren't organized and thus there's no message coming from them beyond being against fascism. They seem fine with violence, which we as a society (rightfully, in my opinion) are against. I know I'm coming off as in their corner, but that's not my position, honestly. I hate destructive tactics. But this boogieman thing drives me up the wall (especially since we have an actual villain in office).

At this point, call them whatever, but when things die down there will still be the handful of people that are antifa doxing nazis and whatnot but all those other folks will be long gone.
 
Propagandist said:
I just think this is a watching from distance thing. People in my life are deep in this stuff. All there is is social media, IG, telling people what's up; I could look at my feed right now and know where people want to meet and who is bringing what. They are college kids and baristas and tattoo artists...just people. Passionate people looking out for one another. I mean, I'm always hearing grassroots this and grassroots that; this is actual grassroots. The notion that there are roaming antifa militias or whatever is just fear (and fear mongering) talking...

Folks might be adopting the name antifa, but they ain't Rose City Antifa. It just isn't like that. And if it isn't a Trumpism, it is only because he willed them into existence. Haha.

Clearly it is hard for people to accept, and I'm kind of confused what the obsession is even about--this need to categorize or whatever it is. Do yourself a favor and start a correspondence with RCA and ask them all your questions. I'm positive they'll make more sense than me...
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Propagandist said:
Whatever you say, man. I'm an Avenger.
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suicide squad?
I really dont know my comic book stuff lol
 
Propagandist said:
The point is that antifa isn't a political group. They aren't organized and thus there's no message coming from them beyond being against fascism. They seem fine with violence, which we as a society (rightfully, in my opinion) are against. I know I'm coming off as in their corner, but that's not my position, honestly. I hate destructive tactics. But this boogieman thing drives me up the wall (especially since we have an actual villain in office).

At this point, call them whatever, but when things die down there will still be the handful of people that are antifa doxing nazis and whatnot but all those other folks will be long gone.
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Fwiw Im not anti-antifa (lol) weird concatenation of acronyms. I am totally burned out with whats going on and the violence, and the just constant Barrage of someone got shot, another business burned, all that. I mean we can call it whatever and Im even totally in favor of protesting but man this year sucks and I think most people are just kinda in a similar state of ‘doneness’...
 
Propagandist said:
I only know the Avengers because my kids just made me watch ALL OF THEM in chronological order...
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I saw Iron Man 1 and 2 and slept through the 1st avengers movie with a couple friends. Somewhere around 2010ish I felt like all the action super hero movies for me, just started to feel the same.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Fwiw Im not anti-antifa (lol) weird concatenation of acronyms. I am totally burned out with whats going on and the violence, and the just constant Barrage of someone got shot, another business burned, all that. I mean we can call it whatever and Im even totally in favor of protesting but man this year sucks and I think most people are just kinda in a similar state of ‘doneness’...
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This year has been so so draining. I just had to leave the coast suddenly this morning because of the smoke from nearby fires, and the kids are like, of course and helped pack the car. They don't even question things anymore, lol. Madness.
 
Propagandist said:
This year has been so so draining. I just had to leave the coast suddenly this morning because of the smoke from nearby fires, and the kids are like, of course and helped pack the car. They don't even question things anymore, lol. Madness.
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I am glad it sounds like you made it home safely.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
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There! There's proof of ANTIFA. Your photo is a typical card carrying member. They do carry membership cards, don't they? No, how do you identify them, through police mug shots?

Also, Andy Ngo is famous for passing himself off as something he is not, a reporter.
 
ehizzy3 said:
So DHS lied about Antifa threats and got caught?





why do I see the same posters bitching about Antifa and silent on radical right wingers
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It's possible that they've (conveniently) decided they don't want to be on the board anymore. you know, the biased mods, HCP being a jerk, and it's easier to have it out of sight out of mind than it is to admit you were 100% wrong about a candidate and regret your vote.
 
Propagandist said:
The point is that antifa isn't a political group. They aren't organized and thus there's no message coming from them beyond being against fascism. They seem fine with violence, which we as a society (rightfully, in my opinion) are against. I know I'm coming off as in their corner, but that's not my position, honestly. I hate destructive tactics. But this boogieman thing drives me up the wall (especially since we have an actual villain in office).

At this point, call them whatever, but when things die down there will still be the handful of people that are antifa doxing nazis and whatnot but all those other folks will be long gone.
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Really no... Some people who say they are antifa do dumb stuff, including engaging in violence.

They aren't affiliated with anybody.
 
julius said:
It's possible that they've (conveniently) decided they don't want to be on the board anymore. you know, the biased mods, HCP being a jerk, and it's easier to have it out of sight out of mind than it is to admit you were 100% wrong about a candidate and regret your vote.
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grow up....
 
ehizzy3 said:
So DHS lied about Antifa threats and got caught?





why do I see the same posters bitching about Antifa and silent on radical right wingers
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I suspect the lemming effect.
 
julius said:
It's possible that they've (conveniently) decided they don't want to be on the board anymore. you know, the biased mods, HCP being a jerk, and it's easier to have it out of sight out of mind than it is to admit you were 100% wrong about a candidate and regret your vote.
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It's not easy to admit you were wrong. I know this all too well.
It takes a strong adult to admit when they realize they've been wrong. Let's hope said folks are on the path to realization and have the strength to admit it. I'm not going to point any fingers but Sly does come to mind.
 
Lanny said:
It's not easy to admit you were wrong. I know this all too well.
It takes a strong adult to admit when they realize they've been wrong. Let's hope said folks are on the path to realization and have the strength to admit it. I'm not going to point any fingers but Sly does come to mind.
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The funny thing is, and I'm not saying all people have to agree with one side or another, it's not difficult for people to just say "you know, I was wrong about this".

I was wrong in thinking John McCain would be a bad president. Palin on the other hand...

but the kicker is to move on and grow from it. If you are unable to see that you've done/said something wrong and don't make the effort to genuinely change (i.e., you are shown empirical data and you still remain steadfast in your belief of some "fact" ) others won't want to engage in conversations with you.

Basically, me from age 13-26.
 
julius said:
The funny thing is, and I'm not saying all people have to agree with one side or another, it's not difficult for people to just say "you know, I was wrong about this".

I was wrong in thinking John McCain would be a bad president. Palin on the other hand...

but the kicker is to move on and grow from it. If you are stuck on proving you are correct or whatever, others won't want to engage in conversations with you.

Basically, me from age 13-26.
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Basically me from the age of 2-65 some, with justification, say even beyond 65. Yeah, I've been called every name in the book, mostly by my wife, my mother, my grandmother, my priest and my shrink, almost forgot my boss.
 
ABM said:
SURVEY SAYS!! Ted Wheeler is an abject failure as Mayor of Portland, OR.

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics...r-new-police-oversight-system-poll-shows.html

Nearly 2 in 3 Portland voters view Mayor Ted Wheeler unfavorably, even more favor new police oversight system, poll shows
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That's criticism from the left. Doesn't help your cause from the right. But maybe creating confusion will: Shift the issue from killing black guys, to whether a mayor a thousand miles away should be changed.
 
ehizzy3 said:
Police shot Portland slaying suspect without warning or trying to arrest him first, witness says


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...killing-police/#click=https://t.co/2zbWHf8gTD

Hmmmmmmm
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Old news, if you read the details like I do. Another detail mentioned once in the media, then never repeated: His comrade Pappas lied when he said "Jay Bishop" had no gun, because a gun was found on his body.

Just stopped by, read only 2 posts, both needed comment/correction. This thread would benefit from my presence, but I'm busy reading articles.
 
These right-wing guys all look like thugs. Maybe their funder carefully selects them.

Mr. Danielson, a burly, bearded man, helped run a company in Portland called North West Specialty Moving that focused on transporting heavy items such as marble statues, hot tubs, and gun safes...Mr. Danielson is associated with another company, Oregon Pro Arms LLC, which according to state records is focused primarily on moving gun safes.
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https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Socie...hot-in-Portland-mourned-by-friends-and-family
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The media keeps saying that Pappas said the two were unarmed. Aside from the video of them with knives earlier in the day...

Danielson had a loaded “holstered firearm” on his waistband, a Glock Model 17 with 19 rounds in the magazine. Investigators don’t believe this gun was fired during the encounter, since 19 was the maximum amount for the gun. Danielson also had “3 fully loaded 9mm magazines from the cargo pockets” of his shorts.
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https://www.koin.com/news/crime/cou...test-portland-shooting-patriot-prayer-antifa/

If you read enough articles, you'll eventually find an article which gives a fact which the other articles hide.
 
There are 2 videos. Dunlap was one of the two cameramen. He says that Danielson shot his bear spray, then Reinoehl wheeled and shot him. But the media has been telling us that it was the bullet which exploded the spray can. Did Danielson initiate the encounter? The media has been saying that Danielson was just minding his own business.

Dunlap, in interviews with The Seattle Times this week, said he believes the initial shouting came from the victim, Danielson, and the man with him, Pappas.

Dunlap’s video also appears to show that, about the time the words “Right here?” are yelled, Danielson appears to walk toward the two men crossing the street, holding something at his waist and moving his arm toward them before a cloud of spray erupts into the air.

Almost simultaneously, one of the men crossing the street — a tall, thin man in a white vest and short-sleeved shirt — stops and turns toward Danielson. Then, two loud pops are heard. Danielson staggers off in one direction and collapses, while the man in the vest turns and runs in the other direction, Dunlap’s video shows.

Pappas says a bullet pierced Danielson’s bear spray canister, causing the cloud of spray seen in the air. But the video appears to capture the sound of an aerosol spray with a cloud emerging just before the shots are heard.

“I think the victim had the mace, yelled something and then directly sprayed it at the other two guys crossing the street,” Dunlap said.
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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...narratives-fly-after-fatal-portland-shooting/
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Ok... Sorry but if ANTIFA is just some ambiguous group, of loosely affiliated carbon bodies then how would you know what, Antifa proper does? You’re on one hand saying we cant define it by a structure then trying to define it by that groups intent and what they do...
Whether those claiming ‘antifa’ as their own are in a structured organized group, or politically affiliated isnt really the point. The point is that 150-200 on most evenings who claim to be ANTIFA are organized enough to pick locations, targets, have supplies ready, which means that their either self-funded or have some help btw. Its not a matter of trumpism, its a matter of calling it what it is. They are a group of largely the same people who get together on a mostly nightly basis to go protest politics. Thats all fine and good and they can do what they want, but that group exists, and they do in fact have political things they are protesting.
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Saying they are antifa is just them stating their opposition to fascism.

This should be the default position of every American.
 
Man, the defense of antifa on here is gross. They are a group, yes. No, it doesn’t simply mean “a person who is against facism”. That's precisely the tactic they use to gain traction. I don’t really give a shit what their dumb website says, that is how they attract more moderate people to sympathize with them. White supremacist groups do the same thing. They try to appear sound and logical in their little manifesto while they do dirty work behind the scenes.

Fuck antifa, fuck their shitty website, fuck their twitter account that should’ve been banned long ago and FUCK all the sympathizers on here doing mental gymnastics to defend them. I hope their meeting place burns down like all the businesses that got torched. They are the facist piles of shit that pretend to be fighting in their LARPing adventures. They can all choke on a dick and die.
 
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Antifa are liberals willing to fight. Liberals are Antifa unwilling to fight.
 
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jlprk said:
Antifa are liberals willing to fight. Liberals are Antifa unwilling to fight.
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You mean willing to get their asses kicked?

I’ve yet to see an antifa wrist larger than the flagpole their struggling to carry.
 
https://assets.documentcloud.org/do...nd-Voter-Views-of-a-Police-Accountability.pdf

Portland Voter Views of a Police Accountability Measure
Key Findings From A Survey Of Voters Conducted August 25-30, 2020

• 435 interviews with Portland voters likely to participate in the November 2020 election

• Conducted August 25 -30, 2020 online and via landline and cell phones

• Margin of sampling error of +/ -4.9% at the 95% confidence level
 
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