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THE HCP said:
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Hoopguru said:
So sad that we can't seemed to get a handle on this killer cancer hitting our city and others. It's as terrible as it gets, when there seems to be an open conduit to the neighborhoods.
Just doesnt seem to be serious approach in addressing it, certainly not like the approach we took with Covid. And this is as bad if not worse in my mind.
10m 8 dead of overdoses in Portland since Friday; police warn of ‘dangerous batch of drugs’
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Oh, we certainly can. We choose not to. Instead we want to argue about team elephant vs team ass.

Universal access to education, healthcare, expanded social safety net and police and prison systems refocused on rehabilitation rather than restitution would likely cut these deaths in half.

Also, decriminalizing drug use and prostitution would probably go even further (pimps and drug dealers should still be punished severely).
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Oh, we certainly can. We choose not to. Instead we want to argue about team elephant vs team ass.

Universal access to education, healthcare, expanded social safety net and police and prison systems refocused on rehabilitation rather than restitution would likely cut these deaths in half.

Also, decriminalizing drug use and prostitution would probably go even further (pimps and drug dealers should still be punished severely).
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agree with all that but feel because its organized crime taking advantage of peddling that shit, we need to come down very hard on those that are involved with distribution regardless of amount. We need to take it more seriously as if our kids and grandkids lives were at stake.
 
Hoopguru said:
agree with all that but feel because its organized crime taking advantage of peddling that shit, we need to come down very hard on those that are involved with distribution regardless of amount. We need to take it more seriously as if our kids and grandkids lives were at stake.
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Agree 100% on anything that is resulting in high numbers of single use OD deaths.

The organized crime aspect is a huge part of this that will need to be addressed. And that can't happen as long as users are afraid to seek help.
 
Road Ratt said:
‘Stick over carrot’: progressive Portland takes a hard turn on homelessness

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...n&cvid=4804e597e3f64425a37cc58c6ee32949&ei=11

Send the police to enforce rules instead of helping the homeless. That is heartless.

Even democrats who say they care send the cops rather than actually help the homeless. Sick bastards.
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“The only policies I’ve seen are compassion on top of compassion,” Burke said. “Anyone who works with these populations knows there are people who respond to carrots and people who respond to sticks. Everyone who responds to carrots, good work; you got them. Most of the people that are left respond to enforcement.”

They do have a point...
 
That seems like a very uncaring republican, "pull yourself up by our bootstraps" attitude to take towards fellow humans.

Americans don't even seem to care about their own anymore.
 
Road Ratt said:
That seems like a very uncaring republican, "pull yourself up by our bootstraps" attitude to take towards fellow humans.

Americans don't even seem to care about their own anymore.
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I'm not trying to be uncaring, nor do I necessarily agree with that entire quote. But there is a point, that there is room for the enforcement of law.

One of the examples from the article you provided is a woman that moved to downtown Portland from Boulder and set up a pallet home in a pedestrian area. That is a problem. Money should be spent to prevent that, and if they refuse the help that is out there what do you suggest we do? Is there another mechanism outside of the police? There is unspent money in that county that is earmarked for homelessness and correct me if I'm wrong, republicans don't control Multnomah county.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/03/...f-its-budgeted-metro-homeless-services-money/

A real life example of something I am dealing with currently. I work in a smallish office, about 15 staff. The past monthish a person has been sleeping in the covered carpeted alcove that is the entrance to our building. He comes when it's empty, leaves when people start showing up, and is generally harmless. HOWEVER, we have several other individuals in our area that are causing problems. This is a picture from our entrance as an example.


I tried talking to them to provide assistance and I was yelled at incoherently. As were other passerbys, an EMT who they refused help from, and even the guy that sleeps on the porch. This event required police action and now we have a trespassing letter of consent on file with the police. So although our front porch camper is mostly okay, business cannot be conducted with this occurring. It smells like malt liquor every morning, he has been caught on camera urinating in our flower bed, trash is consistently left strewn across our property, the list goes on. I have provided him with information on some resources nearby that not only have I toured, but also volunteered for, and to what avail? Staff members have started using the back door, not able to park in their assigned spots, and he is staying later and later into the day and entire weekends.

I know I'm responding to a post that wasn't a response to mine, so I feel like you don't want a conversation here, which is fine. Sometimes police ARE a necessary option though. That opinion doesn't make someone uncaring.
 
Shaboid said:
I'm not trying to be uncaring, nor do I necessarily agree with that entire quote. But there is a point, that there is room for the enforcement of law.

One of the examples from the article you provided is a woman that moved to downtown Portland from Boulder and set up a pallet home in a pedestrian area. That is a problem. Money should be spent to prevent that, and if they refuse the help that is out there what do you suggest we do? Is there another mechanism outside of the police? There is unspent money in that county that is earmarked for homelessness and correct me if I'm wrong, republicans don't control Multnomah county.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/03/...f-its-budgeted-metro-homeless-services-money/

A real life example of something I am dealing with currently. I work in a smallish office, about 15 staff. The past monthish a person has been sleeping in the covered carpeted alcove that is the entrance to our building. He comes when it's empty, leaves when people start showing up, and is generally harmless. HOWEVER, we have several other individuals in our area that are causing problems. This is a picture from our entrance as an example.


I tried talking to them to provide assistance and I was yelled at incoherently. As were other passerbys, an EMT who they refused help from, and even the guy that sleeps on the porch. This event required police action and now we have a trespassing letter of consent on file with the police. So although our front porch camper is mostly okay, business cannot be conducted with this occurring. It smells like malt liquor every morning, he has been caught on camera urinating in our flower bed, trash is consistently left strewn across our property, the list goes on. I have provided him with information on some resources nearby that not only have I toured, but also volunteered for, and to what avail? Staff members have started using the back door, not able to park in their assigned spots, and he is staying later and later into the day and entire weekends.

I know I'm responding to a post that wasn't a response to mine, so I feel like you don't want a conversation here, which is fine. Sometimes police ARE a necessary option though. That opinion doesn't make someone uncaring.
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The police should come to support a social worker who can take them to the kind of accommodation and/or care they need.

No, camping should not be allowed, as long as we can provide safe, private, and comfortable accommodations. And we have approved plenty of money to do that, so now it's on our leaders to do their effing job and make the trained social workers, police, and accommodations available.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I do love Portland's parks.
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I grew up next to Creston Park in SE Portland and felt so very blessed. We had so much room to run and play as kids. Creston also had two swimming pools (one a big 4' deep all the way around pool and the other Olympic size and depth). We went swimming FOR FREE every single day (and sometimes twice a day) every summer throughout my childhood. Nowadays I drive by Creston in the summer and those pools are usually dry and ignored. And if they are open, they charge a fee. What the hell happened?? How were they able to do those kinds of things back then but can't seem to do them now?? Now they just seem like places for the homeless or the druggies to hang out........
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I grew up next to Creston Park in SE Portland and felt so very blessed. We had so much room to run and play as kids. Creston also had two swimming pools (one a big 4' deep all the way around pool and the other Olympic size and depth). We went swimming FOR FREE every single day (and sometimes twice a day) every summer throughout my childhood. Nowadays I drive by Creston in the summer and those pools are usually dry and ignored. And if they are open, they charge a fee. What the hell happened?? How were they able to do those kinds of things back then but can't seem to do them now?? Now they just seem like places for the homeless or the druggies to hang out........
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I think there was a major social change when kids weren't allowed to play outside unsupervised...also when there were more stay at home mom's who could go with kids to the park. Now it's cause for an Amber alert.
 
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