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Seems Atlanta is having a hard time coming to terms with him. They could use a guy like Krstic at center and move Horford to PF. If the Nets were willing to do a deal starting at around $10-12mm for 6 years they maybe able to convince Atlanta to do a S&T with a package of Krstic, Sean, KVH, and maybe Ager and a pick.

Question #1) Do you like Smith and think his style of play would be a good fit here?
Question #2) Do you think he has the right attitude?
Question #3) Do you think he's worth that kind of money?
Question #4) Is he duplicate of what Yi should bring to the team? Is he a 3 or 4?
 
josh smith fits on any team. plus hes only like 22
i think hes more of a dick than a pussy, which is better



i like Josh Smith, but I dont know if we do it bc it messes w/ Lebron


also, now that Childress is gone I think Atlanta wont let Smith slip away
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MarionBarberThe4th @ Jul 23 2008, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>josh smith fits on any team. plus hes only like 22
i think hes more of a dick than a pussy, which is better


i like Josh Smith, but I dont know if we do it bc it messes w/ Lebron


also, now that Childress is gone I think Atlanta wont let Smith slip away</div>
They couldn't keep Childress because they don't wanna spend the money. Not sure they want to commit $10mm a year for 6 years to anyone. Recently saw an article that said that was what the Hawks offered and management came out and flatly denied it.

Doesn't mess with Lebron. Nets are committed to about $36mm in 2010. That's before 2009 rookies and assuming Boone and Sean options are not exercised. Salary cap will be about $64mm. It's tight, but there is room for another player making about $10-12mm. Sure makes things more attractive for Lebron.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 23 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MarionBarberThe4th @ Jul 23 2008, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>josh smith fits on any team. plus hes only like 22
i think hes more of a dick than a pussy, which is better


i like Josh Smith, but I dont know if we do it bc it messes w/ Lebron


also, now that Childress is gone I think Atlanta wont let Smith slip away</div>
They couldn't keep Childress because they don't wanna spend the money. Not sure they want to commit $10mm a year for 6 years to anyone. Recently saw an article that said that was what the Hawks offered and management came out and flatly denied it.

Doesn't mess with Lebron. Nets are committed to about $36mm in 2010. That's before 2009 rookies and assuming Boone and Sean options are not exercised. Salary cap will be about $64mm. It's tight, but there is room for another player making about $10-12mm. Sure makes things more attractive for Lebron.
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Move Carter.

If the Hawks are willing to make this trade suggested, offer Carter for Wally.

In 2 years if not earlier, outside of LBJ, Smith will be the best player of the guys currently on the Hawks, Nets and Cavs.

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 23 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Seems Atlanta is having a hard time coming to terms with him. They could use a guy like Krstic at center and move Horford to PF. If the Nets were willing to do a deal starting at around $10-12mm for 6 years they maybe able to convince Atlanta to do a S&T with a package of Krstic, Sean, KVH, and maybe Ager and a pick.

Question #1) Do you like Smith and think his style of play would be a good fit here?
Question #2) Do you think he has the right attitude?
Question #3) Do you think he's worth that kind of money?
Question #4) Is he duplicate of what Yi should bring to the team? Is he a 3 or 4?</div>


answers....

1) i personally love smith... hes a SF that can play most PFs due to his leapin ability and lenght... hes super athletic... yes i think he would fit here with devin, vc, and Yi...
2) well i hear that he has butted heads with his coach... but frank has always gotten along with most of his players... and with the veterans on the team (VC, devin -yes i consider him a vet on the team, Najera, hayes, and even simmons) he could be controlled.
3) im guess ur sayin 10-12 mill per year rite? in that case... yes i think hes worth it... remember this guy made KG work in that ATL vs BOS series
4) absolutely not... hes a 3, but he can play most 4's and hes more of an attacker then a jumpshooter...
 
Question #1) Do you like Smith and think his style of play would be a good fit here? Yes, very much so.
Question #2) Do you think he has the right attitude? I think he's a competitor but he does let his emotions get the best of him and can be a downright baby if things are going bad but he's still very young and matured every season so far.
Question #3) Do you think he's worth that kind of money? Absolutely.
Question #4) Is he duplicate of what Yi should bring to the team? Is he a 3 or 4? I'm not completely familiar with Yi but Josh is about as well rounded of a basketball player as it gets. He's a 4 who can effectively play at the 3.

The Hawks were at their strongest last season when Horford was holding down the 5 spot alongside Josh because they had each others backs defensively with their different skill sets and their respective athleticism. If that trade were to go down, I think Horford would continue to hold down the center spot and Nenad would play the 4, Sean would come off the bench, Ager could also get a long hard look now that Childress is gone.

The thing that people don't understand is that Josh is the second best play maker on that team after Joe Johnson and adding Sean and Nenad only puts that much more pressure on Joe to initiate the offense unless Law and Bibby all of a sudden become point guards and not 2 guards who bring the ball up.
 
If Smith was willing to sign with the Nets in a S&T, or play for the QO with the Hawks, I wonder if the Hawks would be willing to take this trade rather than lose him for nothing next season.

Krstic, Sean, Ager, KVH contract and a 1st rd pick is a pretty good offer. They could probably get Nenad on a 2 year deal for $5-6mm a year.

Nets could offer Josh a 6 year/$75mm deal starting at $10mm and increasing $1mm a year. Would be worth $13mm in 2010. If the cap is $64mm the Nets would have $13mm to offer Lebron, but they could easily move someone before then and free up another $2-3mm. Also, the cap could be more than $64mm.

Starters could be: Harris, Carter, Smith, Yi, and Boone
Bench would be: Najera, Lopez, Dooling, Simmons, CDR, Hayes and Anderson

Seems like hopeful wishing, but it appears there is some really bad blood forming between the Hawks and Smith. When that happened to Brand and the Clips he bolted.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 23 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Seems Atlanta is having a hard time coming to terms with him. They could use a guy like Krstic at center and move Horford to PF. If the Nets were willing to do a deal starting at around $10-12mm for 6 years they maybe able to convince Atlanta to do a S&T with a package of Krstic, Sean, KVH, and maybe Ager and a pick.

Question #1) Do you like Smith and think his style of play would be a good fit here?
Question #2) Do you think he has the right attitude?
Question #3) Do you think he's worth that kind of money?
Question #4) Is he duplicate of what Yi should bring to the team? Is he a 3 or 4?</div>

A1 - yes
A2 - yes
A3 - yes
A4 - no

most importantly, would i do that trade? HELL NO. we dont want big deals on the books for 2010.
 
well, apparently Lebron would only come to us in a S&T, so we could send to the Cavs salary back and still be ok
 
Who cares about LeBron when Josh Smith would be on this team. Of course he is no LBJ, but he does have qualities to build around him and Harris.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jul 23 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who cares about LeBron when Josh Smith would be on this team. Of course he is no LBJ, but he does have qualities to build around him and Harris.</div>
Would still have room to add LBJ. Just need about $14-15mm to be a serious contender and Cleveland will do a S&T.

Could have a team with Lebron, Harris, Smith, Carter and hopefully players like Yi, Lopez, CDR, and Anderson will develop. Plus we have 1st round pick in 2009, and two in 2010 (but we'd probably need to send one of these to ATL).
 
omg what are the chances of this actually happening?!?! id be the first one to get a josh smith jersey... hes already one of my favorite players in the nba
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 23 2008, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>omg what are the chances of this actually happening?!?! id be the first one to get a josh smith jersey... hes already one of my favorite players in the nba</div>
Probably slim, but the more time passes the less likely I think he signs with ATL. If not ATL then why not the Nets? Thorn and Kiki were both Kenyon fans and Josh has a little Kenyon in his game. Seems like the kind of bold move they would make.

Childress signing with a Greek team had to really hurt Atlanta's chances of convincing Josh they are a serious team. They've been dicking those guys around pretty bad.
 
This would be unlikely. Josh Smith wants huge cash, that we wouldn't take from LA or Philly. Now that Childress is gone, they are going to throw huge money at Smith. The Hawks wouldn't take Carter for Smith. Josh would be great on any team, but Sund wants Smith around.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 23 2008, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 23 2008, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>omg what are the chances of this actually happening?!?! id be the first one to get a josh smith jersey... hes already one of my favorite players in the nba</div>
Probably slim, but the more time passes the less likely I think he signs with ATL. If not ATL then why not the Nets? Thorn and Kiki were both Kenyon fans and Josh has a little Kenyon in his game. Seems like the kind of bold move they would make.

Childress signing with a Greek team had to really hurt Atlanta's chances of convincing Josh they are a serious team. They've been dicking those guys around pretty bad.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 23 2008, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This would be unlikely. Josh Smith wants huge cash, that we wouldn't take from LA or Philly. Now that Childress is gone, they are going to throw huge money at Smith. The Hawks wouldn't take Carter for Smith. Josh would be great on any team, but Sund wants Smith around.</div>


DAMN... you got me all excited... lol this would be an absolute dream come true for me
like my nba 2k8 team haha
 
Well, I think Sund wants to give more money to Smith, so letting Childress go didn't hurt him to much. I don't like letting Childress go, but that's the NBA. Sund better act soon and get Smith signed or I'll be pissed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 23 2008, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I think Sund wants to give more money to Smith, so letting Childress go didn't hurt him to much. I don't like letting Childress go, but that's the NBA. Sund better act soon and get Smith signed or I'll be pissed.</div>


are you a hawks fan? or a raptors fan?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 23 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 23 2008, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I think Sund wants to give more money to Smith, so letting Childress go didn't hurt him to much. I don't like letting Childress go, but that's the NBA. Sund better act soon and get Smith signed or I'll be pissed.</div>


are you a hawks fan? or a raptors fan?
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Both. I follow both teams pretty close now. Raptors more than Hawks, but I catch 30-40 Hawks games a year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 23 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 23 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 23 2008, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I think Sund wants to give more money to Smith, so letting Childress go didn't hurt him to much. I don't like letting Childress go, but that's the NBA. Sund better act soon and get Smith signed or I'll be pissed.</div>


are you a hawks fan? or a raptors fan?
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Both. I follow both teams pretty close now. Raptors more than Hawks, but I catch 30-40 Hawks games a year.
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ahhh ok... damn... gettin josh would be simply amazing... he could be the pippen to LBJ being jordan


a man can dream!
 
Lol, you can dream, but than you wake up and you're team isn't in the playoffs.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 23 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lol, you can dream, but than you wake up and you're team isn't in the playoffs.</div>
No team is.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jul 23 2008, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 23 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lol, you can dream, but than you wake up and you're team isn't in the playoffs.</div>
No team is.
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Exactly.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 23 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Doesn't mess with Lebron. Nets are committed to about $36mm in 2010. That's before 2009 rookies and assuming Boone and Sean options are not exercised. Salary cap will be about $64mm. It's tight, but there is room for another player making about $10-12mm. Sure makes things more attractive for Lebron.</div>

You bring up some interesting points. If the cap is set at 64 million in the 2010 free agency then the Nets might have some room to take on some contracts that extend past two years and still have enough cap room to sign free agents in 2010 (or at least be a threat to sign free agents to force a sign and trade possibility).

Possible committed salaries in the summer of 2010 (not including any possible future picks):

17.5M Carter
8.4M Harris
2.8M Najera
3.3M Yi
2.9M Boone (Qualifying offer)
1M Douglas Roberts
2.4M Lopez
1.4M Anderson

Total = 40M

So that could give the Nets around 24 million to play with in 2010. I think you suggested the Nets would need around 15 million under the cap to go after a guy like Lebron right? So that could mean they might still be able to take on a contract right now that makes around 9 million or less and not interfere with that goal in 2010. They could also choose to drop Boone and trade Najera freeing up around another 6 million.

Instead of going after Smith though, a guy like Nocioni would also work, right? He could start for the Nets for at least the next two years and he wouldn't cut into the Nets 2010 cap space as much as Smith since he would be making 7 million then.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 23 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So that could give the Nets around 24 million to play with in 2010. I think you suggested the Nets would need around 15 million under the cap to go after a guy like Lebron right? So that could mean they might still be able to take on a contract right now that makes around 9 million or less and not interfere with that goal in 2010. They could also choose to drop Boone and trade Najera freeing up around another 6 million.

Instead of going after Smith though, a guy like Nocioni would also work, right? He could start for the Nets for at least the next two years and he wouldn't cut into the Nets 2010 cap space as much as Smith since he would be making 7 million then.</div>
That is correct. That's why I was never opposed to getting Nocioni. But if we could get Smith I think that's a better deal and makes the team even more attractive to free agents in 2010.

Good thing about Nocioni is I think we can dump Hassell on them. Chicago needs KVH contract to clear salary and it works with Hassell. Or if the Nets really want to go crazy they can trade Swift, KVH and Simmons to Chicago for Nocioni and Hughes (Hughes expires in 2010). Chicago saves $4.2mm this season, $10.6mm next season and $28.3mm over the next 4 years. Gives them room to sign Deng and possibly Gordon. And it can be done now if they do 2 simultaneous trades: Swift and KVH for Hughes and Simmons for Nocioni. No need to wait the 60 days with Simmons. That trade adds experience, defense and gives a clearer picture at SF.

Harris/Dooling
Carter/Hughes/Hayes
Nocioni/CDR/Hassell
Yi/Najera/Williams
Boone/Lopez
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 23 2008, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 23 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So that could give the Nets around 24 million to play with in 2010. I think you suggested the Nets would need around 15 million under the cap to go after a guy like Lebron right? So that could mean they might still be able to take on a contract right now that makes around 9 million or less and not interfere with that goal in 2010. They could also choose to drop Boone and trade Najera freeing up around another 6 million.

Instead of going after Smith though, a guy like Nocioni would also work, right? He could start for the Nets for at least the next two years and he wouldn't cut into the Nets 2010 cap space as much as Smith since he would be making 7 million then.</div>
That is correct. That's why I was never opposed to getting Nocioni. But if we could get Smith I think that's a better deal and makes the team even more attractive to free agents in 2010.

Good thing about Nocioni is I think we can dump Hassell on them. Chicago needs KVH contract to clear salary and it works with Hassell. Or if the Nets really want to go crazy they can trade Swift, KVH and Simmons to Chicago for Nocioni and Hughes (Hughes expires in 2010). Chicago saves $4.2mm this season, $10.6mm next season and $28.3mm over the next 4 years. Gives them room to sign Deng and possibly Gordon. And it can be done now if they do 2 simultaneous trades: Swift and KVH for Hughes and Simmons for Nocioni. No need to wait the 60 days with Simmons. That trade adds experience, defense and gives a clearer picture at SF.

Harris/Dooling
Carter/Hughes/Hayes
Nocioni/CDR/Hassell
Yi/Najera/Williams
Boone/Lopez
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omg netted... u do think of some good things... but im still high on the josh smith possibility even if its .00001% of a chance
 
I would love to get Josh Smith also.. but how much will he want? And will it hurt our chances at getting a superstar in 2010?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Jul 24 2008, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would love to get Josh Smith also.. but how much will he want? And will it hurt our chances at getting a superstar in 2010?</div>
Read the thread.
 
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