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BlazerCaravan said:
If your IQ drops any more... we're in trouble.
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For reals man. I'm gonna go ahead and apply for Social Security Disability before the season starts... that way I might have some income by the time 2012 starts. Cause at this rate and my IQ, I'm gonna lose my job :cheers:
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Protip: It's hard to shoot well with an injured hammy.
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i understand there may be underlining reasons for the statistical dips we saw last season, which is why I never got too nervous and posted tons of threads about the rise and fall of Roy. But he is healthy now, and I was just noting that I sure hope he returns to his previous self, or better. To tell the truth, we just don't know why Roy dipped last season. It could be due to the hammy or other reasons, or it could be due to coasting after an 80 million dollar payday. It could be due to bulking up too much, or how he meshed with Miller. It could be due to personal reasons with his family, or it could be that he practiced less. The point is, we don't know which mix of reasons led to the statistical drop last season. I really am not too worried that the slide will continue since that does not really seem like something a Roy type personality would let happen. But I am just pointing out that I really hope he returns to superstar form.
 
This is what preseason is for. If Brandon wasn't playing I would be more worried. He'll be fine.
 
Shooter said:
The anger is fueled by Roy's apparent lack of dedication to the pre-season, which was apparent last year as well.
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The anger is fueled by his lack of dedication to game that don't count to his professional career or the fortunes of his team? I can't see why I thought that didn't make sense...

Every team knows that the season STARTS with the pre-season
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No, it doesn't. The hint is in the word: pre-season. That means, before the season. By definition, not part of the season and so not the start of the season. The season starts with the first game of the regular season. It's arbitrary where in the off-season and pre-season you decide that the prep work "gets serious." It's silly to assume that all humans need to begin their preparation for something at exactly the same time.

I was joking about the national anthem. Your anger is fueled by the constant outrage when all people don't conform to your personal ideals. Free psychological insight right there, no need to thank me.
 
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MIXUM said:
well listen.... roy certainly hasnt taken a step forward of late.
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That's because he's injured and can't take a step.

Making fun of someone with such serious physical problems is below you, MIXUM.
 
GOD said:
i understand there may be underlining reasons for the statistical dips we saw last season, which is why I never got too nervous and posted tons of threads about the rise and fall of Roy. But he is healthy now, and I was just noting that I sure hope he returns to his previous self, or better. To tell the truth, we just don't know why Roy dipped last season. It could be due to the hammy or other reasons, or it could be due to coasting after an 80 million dollar payday. It could be due to bulking up too much, or how he meshed with Miller. It could be due to personal reasons with his family, or it could be that he practiced less. The point is, we don't know which mix of reasons led to the statistical drop last season. I really am not too worried that the slide will continue since that does not really seem like something a Roy type personality would let happen. But I am just pointing out that I really hope he returns to superstar form.
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I'd say it's a combination of

- not playing basketball over the summer
- injuries
- adjusting his play with Miller
- contract dispute

I also think people forget Roy was playing like a top 5 player before he hurt his hamstring. Pretty much once the injuries started to destroy the team and Roy started getting more and more touches, he averaged 27/5/5 the month of December while shooting 48% from the field. He carried that in to January averaging 24/5/4 on 60% shooting in 7 games.

Roy was playing like a MVP before the hamstring problem last year. I wouldn't be too worried. He'll be fine.
 
Didn't Roy set a Blazer record for most consecutive games of 20+ points or more last season? That was in the winter, before the hammy injury. I think it was like 18 games in a row or something. Plus, he was doing it efficiently (see vs Miami and vs Lakers)... yeah, I relistened to some games over the summer. :D
 
Minstrel said:
The anger is fueled by his lack of dedication to game that don't count to his professional career or the fortunes of his team?
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If they don't count, why does the coaching staff try to win them? Why is it considered a bad thing to go 0-5 in the preseason? They may not affect the standings, but these games help set the tone for the season to come.

Your anger is fueled by the constant outrage when all people don't conform to your personal ideals.
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Uh, huh. One piece of advice: don't give up your day job for a career in psychology. You clearly know nothing about it.
 
Roy's history is that he struggles until he gets into the flow some point early in the season. I seem to remember him struggling each of the previous seasons to get going, but once he got it going it was ok. It's not like Roy hasn't had a lot of good shots to take. He has just missed them. I remember last year people were freaking out because they thought he had lost too much weight and it had thrown off his game. I think about 2 games later he started to look like the Roy we know, and all that talk went away.
 
Shooter said:
If they don't count, why does the coaching staff try to win them? Why is it considered a bad thing to go 0-5 in the preseason? They may not affect the standings, but these games help set the tone for the season to come.


Uh, huh. One piece of advice: don't give up your day job for a career in psychology. You clearly know nothing about it.
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On courtside Nate McMillan has said it's nice to win but it isn't important.
 
Great.... now Brandon has peaked and is on the downside of his career? Simply amazing the way some people think around here. What a fucking joke!
 
RoyToy said:
I'd say it's a combination of

- not playing basketball over the summer
- injuries
- adjusting his play with Miller
- contract dispute

I also think people forget Roy was playing like a top 5 player before he hurt his hamstring. Pretty much once the injuries started to destroy the team and Roy started getting more and more touches, he averaged 27/5/5 the month of December while shooting 48% from the field. He carried that in to January averaging 24/5/4 on 60% shooting in 7 games.

Roy was playing like a MVP before the hamstring problem last year. I wouldn't be too worried. He'll be fine.
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Actually I had forgotten that and my image of him from last season was more how he was after the injury. So hopefully, the injury is over and the superstar is back.

I really wasn't trying to bash Roy, I was just concerned a tad. As far as the preseason shit goes, who gives a fuck. Preseason matters for the players who are vying for minutes, not the star of the team.
 
Shooter said:
If they don't count, why does the coaching staff try to win them?
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They don't. Compare playing time of the starters between pre-season and regular season games.

Why is it considered a bad thing to go 0-5 in the preseason?
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It's not.

They may not affect the standings, but these games help set the tone for the season to come.
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You are pretty much the only person who thinks so. Players view them as a chance to get up to playing shape and coaches view them as a chance to see what they have in their lesser-used reserves.

Uh, huh. One piece of advice
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Based on the quality of your posts, I think I'll pass on your advice. You understand, I hope.
 
Pre-season is time to fight for minutes. Hopefuly, this is not a testiment of a real drop-off in ability, but rather a testiment of how overly-confident Brandon Roy feels minutes-wise.
You say "he's letting others shine". Well, how do you explain the minus 20 in half a game (we won by 16 when he was on the bench).
I don't think a "leader" of a team likes to look like he doesn't belong in the starting five (or the roster, for that matter) when everyone around him is giving their all to try and succeed in showing they deserve more minutes (Rudy, Mathewss). There should be no-one above the rest, no-one should be guaranteed minutes just based on reputation or past all-star appearances, not even B-Roy.
I'm not saying bench him because of the Utah game, I'm not saying bench him if he does poorly the next game. But if he does poorly the next game, I would consider it a real issue.
 
Kobe was atrocious against Barcelona so he must have something wrong with him too right? Bottom line: I don't think the vets really give a shit about the pre-season and they are mostly approaching this as a warmup or a chance to get into game shape. If he's still playing "badly" by mid November then we can talk, but until then people just need to chill the fuck out.
 
Shooter said:
If they don't count, why does the coaching staff try to win them? Why is it considered a bad thing to go 0-5 in the preseason? They may not affect the standings, but these games help set the tone for the season to come.
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They DO matter, I agree. The team can set a tone in a good way or a bad way.

The thing is that you're judging Roy's effort and his preparation based on stats that don't really mean much. I didn't see the game, but if he shot 1-6 and it's considered bad, it seems reasonable that he could have had a couple shots rattle in and suddenly he was 3-6... does that mean that he spent more time in the offseason preparing, or that he was trying harder?

I think that some on this board overrate Roy's place in the NBA, BUT... he's a damn good player. He's going to be the best player on the Blazers this year, and I'm delighted that we have him. I don't see how the stats from a couple of preseason games is any indication that I should change my mind.

Ed O.
 
Uh, huh. One piece of advice: don't give up your day job for a career in psychology. You clearly know nothing about it.
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It would actually be funny if his day job was as a psychologist.
 
Shooter said:
Brandon Roy, our all-star leader, was 1-6 from the field last night and 4-11 the previous game. Meanwhile, Wesley Matthews, a walk-on at Utah who wasn't even drafted by an NBA team, has scored 20 and 21 points the last two games.

Anbody else have a problem with that? Is there some reason why the best player on the team is apparently not ready for the season to start yet, while Matthews is apparently firing on all cylinders already??

I'm personally disgusted with Roy, who has a history of starting slow. I wonder if he's resting on his laurels, but I actually don't care what the reason is. All I know is that he seems to coast through games more and more, and it pisses me off.
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You can not possibly be serious.

Can ANYTHING happen without people completely losing their shit around here? It's fucking preseason.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brandon_roy/career_stats.html
 
Shooter said:
Actually, I'd forgotten all about that.


The anger is fueled by Roy's apparent lack of dedication to the pre-season, which was apparent last year as well. Every team knows that the season STARTS with the pre-season; It's when you show you're serious about winning. I just wish we had a team leader who realized that.
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Obviously every team knows this.

That's why the last game of the preseason not one starter typically plays.

Because it's just that important.



Or maybe it's because teams don't give a shit, would rather have a month of practices and think the pre-season is a waste of time.
 
BGrantFan said:
Yeah. The crazy thing is, Matthews is basically playing like Roy used to by dominating the ball and initiating the offense. He's putting up Roy-like numbers, but without the rebounds. Roy got killed for that by many "fans" and worked on playing off-the-ball this summer. Now, he's getting killed for trying to adapt his game for the betterment of the team.

What a stupid thread.
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I've listened to every second of all the games and watched the Fan Fest. Nothing I've seen or heard has lead me to believe that Matthews has been dominating the ball.
 
Minstrel said:
You've never forgiven him for that national anthem thing, eh?

Because this post doesn't make a bit of sense. The anger must be fueled by something else.
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Roy had a baby out of wedlock and posed in a rap video.

Shooter thinks he's going to hell for it.
 
Shooter said:
If they don't count, why does the coaching staff try to win them? Why is it considered a bad thing to go 0-5 in the preseason? They may not affect the standings, but these games help set the tone for the season to come.


Uh, huh. One piece of advice: don't give up your day job for a career in psychology. You clearly know nothing about it.
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The more you post about basketball, the more I think you don't even understand the game. (lets forget politics for a second, thats a whole different story)

The Spurs who are always NBA contenders are notorious for playing shitty preseason basketball. Preseason is about understanding the offensive and defensive sets, looking at young talent and getting the rust off players games from the summer.
 
The Lakers lost to Barcelona, which means that they won't be winning the Championship this year.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The Lakers lost to Barcelona, which means that they won't be winning the Championship this year.
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Sure they will. Barcelona is clearly better than the Lakers, but won't be in the NBA playoffs.

Fortunate for LA.
 
Minstrel said:
That's because he's injured and can't take a step.

Making fun of someone with such serious physical problems is below you, MIXUM.
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No it's not.

This is the same guy who said Greg Oden deserves to be bashed.
 
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