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MickZagger said:
I've listened to every second of all the games and watched the Fan Fest. Nothing I've seen or heard has lead me to believe that Matthews has been dominating the ball.
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Nice. Meanwhile, he shot the ball 15 times, got to the line for 10 attempts, and managed to dish out 5 assists. Sounds a lot like what Roy used to do when he was getting blasted for "dominating" the ball. I hope Matthews continues to play like this, and I hope Roy remembers that he needs the ball. Hopefully Camby reminds him of this again, like he had to last year when the internet coaches were blasting Roy for being Roy.
 
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If I disagree with your opinion, it means that you don't know anything about basketball. I just learned that, and I'm adding it to my list.
 
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MickZagger said:
The more you post about basketball, the more I think you don't even understand the game. (lets forget politics for a second, thats a whole different story)
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I guess I've got to adjust my tactics around here. It's not just about basketball, it's about insulting the guy you disagree with. Thanks for the reminder.
 
Shooter said:
I guess I've got to adjust my tactics around here. It's not just about basketball, it's about insulting the guy you disagree with. Thanks for the reminder.
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Only if you're an "approved" poster. File that one away as well.
 
Shooter said:
Why is it considered a bad thing to go 0-5 in the preseason?
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Minstrel said:
It's not.
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Give me a break. If the Blazers went 0-5 in the presaseason, this board would be in an uproar. We'd be talking about who was dogging it, who deserved more minutes, who should be on the bench, etc., etc.--and you know it. I think it's interesting that you would rather give a pat answer, just to disagree with me, than a thoughtful and honest response.
 
Shooter said:
Give me a break. If the Blazers went 0-5 in the presaseason, this board would be in an uproar. We'd be talking about who was dogging it, who deserved more minutes, who should be on the bench, etc., etc.--and you know it.
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And if lots of people are saying something, it must be true. Obviously. You're on a roll.

Side note--using "we" when you're only speaking for yourself sounds silly.

I think it's interesting that you would rather give a pat answer, just to disagree with me, than a thoughtful and honest response.
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It wasn't pat. The fact that some/many people would overreact to a losing pre-season in no way invalidates what I said. Even now, there's someone overreacting to Roy having a couple of poor pre-season games, even though that has nothing to do with the team's regular season/post-season fortunes. You get people overreacting to just about anything.
 
BGrantFan said:
If I disagree with your opinion, it means that you don't know anything about basketball. I just learned that, and I'm adding it to my list.
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Being "disgusted" by your teams best player, because he didn't live up to your expectations for his first 2 preseason games falls under the category of not understanding the sport. Its not the first example of Shooter having no understanding of the sport, this is from years of reading his posts.
 
82 games did a little workup on the preseason a few years back. There's a slight correlation between pre-season record and regular season record, but a MUCH greater correlation between last season's record and this season's record.

http://www.82games.com/preseason.htm

Unfortunately, they didn't delve into the correlation between losing a meaningless game and people overreacting and starting a pointless bitching session the next day. I'm sure the correlation was pretty high for that.
 
MickZagger said:
Can always count on you to be an apologist for the posters who have been, "unfairly mistreated".
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I notice tendencies. Typically though, I just read the post and assess it, regardless of who authored. It's why I can read jackholish posts of yours and just shake my head, but read another in a few minutes and totally agree.
 
Shooter said:
So it's not a big deal, eh? Just preseason, right? Who cares if our best player is taking it easy?

Well, I care. The great players play hard every time they take the court, pre-season or not, and great team leaders know how to set an example. Maybe if Roy was busting his gut from the tip-off, it would inspire the rest of the team to take these games seriously. Maybe if Roy showed that he has fire in his belly and wants to win it all this year, the other players would follow his example. It all starts with Roy, and yet Roy always starts slow. No wonder we can't win a playoff game . . . our leader picks his moments when to play hard.
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How's Kobe doing again? I think he's like averaging 7.5 / 2.5 / 2.5 on .111 shooting. Are you saying Kobe is going to carry his pre-season numbers in the regular season and put up numbers like that this year? If not then don't say Roy is as that would be hypocritical.

Next.
 
Shooter said:
Give me a break. If the Blazers went 0-5 in the presaseason, this board would be in an uproar. We'd be talking about who was dogging it, who deserved more minutes, who should be on the bench, etc., etc.--and you know it. I think it's interesting that you would rather give a pat answer, just to disagree with me, than a thoughtful and honest response.
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I'll go check Vegas odds and see if they are throwing in the towel on the Lakers since they are dogging it and haven't won a game this pre-season AND Kobe has played worse than Roy.

Ummm. Nope, for some reason Vegas still seems to think they'll pull out of it.
 
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MickZagger said:
Being "disgusted" by your teams best player, because he didn't live up to your expectations for his first 2 preseason games falls under the category of not understanding the sport. Its not the first example of Shooter having no understanding of the sport, this is from years of reading his posts.
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I've been a Blazer fan and an NBA fan for over 40 years, and yet I don't "understand" the sport? Bravo, my friend. You indeed have insights that none of us share. Please don't ever leave this forum--I'm sure we couldn't survive without your keen analysis of what's "really" going on during an NBA season.
 
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Shooter said:
You indeed have insights that none of us share. Please don't ever leave this forum--I'm sure we couldn't survive without your keen analysis of what's "really" going on during an NBA season.
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Atleast you understand that.
 
Shooter said:
I've been a Blazer fan and an NBA fan for over 40 years, and yet I don't "understand" the sport? Bravo, my friend. You indeed have insights that none of us share. Please don't ever leave this forum--I'm sure we couldn't survive without your keen analysis of what's "really" going on during an NBA season.
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To further add to point, one with 40 years of experience watching the NBA would realize that a multiple All-Star struggling in his first two preseason games isn't anything to worry about. Not a disgrace at all. That you haven't picked up on this in your 40 years of experience tells me all I need to know about your knowledge (or lack thereof) of the game.
 
MickZagger said:
To further add to point, one with 40 years of experience watching the NBA would realize that a multiple All-Star struggling in his first two preseason games isn't anything to worry about. Not a disgrace at all. That you haven't picked up on this in your 40 years of experience tells me all I need to know about your knowledge (or lack thereof) of the game.
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Actually, watching for 40 years could be the reason in and of itself.

In all fairness I've follwed basketball for many years and I think it's only been within the last decade or so that all-stars didn't play hard in the pre-season. Even in the days of Magic and Bird, those guys were going out and putting on a show for pre-season. It's today's modern athletes that really only play hard in pre-season if they get themselves up for the occasion (sort of like LeBron taking Durant to school tonight).
 
MickZagger said:
To further add to point, one with 40 years of experience watching the NBA would realize that a multiple All-Star struggling in his first two preseason games isn't anything to worry about. Not a disgrace at all. That you haven't picked up on this in your 40 years of experience tells me all I need to know about your knowledge (or lack thereof) of the game.
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The disgrace is that Roy was getting outplayed by a newcomer to the team who barely knew everyone's name, while Roy was barely working up a sweat. In 26 minutes against the Clippers, he had only 2 rebounds and 2 assists. You may not have checked those stats, but any real NBA fan with a knowledge of the game would do so . . .
 
Shooter said:
The disgrace is that Roy was getting outplayed by a newcomer to the team who barely knew everyone's name, while Roy was barely working up a sweat. In 26 minutes against the Clippers, he had only 2 rebounds and 2 assists. You may not have checked those stats, but any real NBA fan with a knowledge of the game would do so . . .
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haha, I've checked em bud. Your point is weak.
 
This is really a silly argument to be having at this juncture. If we're a week into the season and Roy is still struggling, maybe then... but I wouldn't worry until the season starts.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This is really a silly argument to be having at this juncture. If we're a week into the season and Roy is still struggling, maybe then... but I wouldn't worry until the season starts.
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Yep. Time to press the panic button after your three-time All-Star struggles for a few games. :confused:
 
Shooter said:
The disgrace is that Roy was getting outplayed by a newcomer to the team who barely knew everyone's name, while Roy was barely working up a sweat. In 26 minutes against the Clippers, he had only 2 rebounds and 2 assists. You may not have checked those stats, but any real NBA fan with a knowledge of the game would do so . . .
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Still think coaches, like McMillan, are playing to win these games as you alleged earlier? He didn't play Roy and Camby tonight. Is that going to be his regular season strategy?
 
Minstrel said:
Still think coaches, like McMillan, are playing to win these games as you alleged earlier? He didn't play Roy and Camby tonight. Is that going to be his regular season strategy?
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Well, Matthews and Cunningham have outplayed Roy and Camby thus far in the all-important preseason.

Of course, Matthews only played seven minutes tonight, so you may have a point. Is Babbit the new SG/SF hybrid?
 
BGrantFan said:
Yep. Time to press the panic button after your three-time All-Star struggles for a few games. :confused:
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Who said anything about the panic button? If Roy still looks lethargic and isn't asserting himself after the season starts, I would say that might be call for concern.
 
You aren't serious with this thread right? What will you or could you possibly say in 4 weeks when he is averaging 22 points/ 5 rebs and 5 dimes a night? Honestly? This is not for real.
 
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