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Blazers will only be 7M below the tax line. They could make it 9M below by waiving Blanton, but he may be as good as anybody the Blazers add from the lottery. In any event, adding the rookie scale from the 7th & 14th picks puts the Blazers 1-3M over the tax line. If Blanton is gone that would make 14 players and 1M over the line. Also, the payroll number and roster count doesn't include Duop Reath

so adding a 3rd 1st round pick would make the tax situation worse. And all that doesn't include the 2nd round picks

obviously, trades can mitigate the tax and roster situations, but in that context the Blazers couldn't have landed on a worse draft to have two lottery picks as trade leverage...if that's what they are shooting for. IMO, the roster is a dysfunctional fucking mess. I'm unconvinced Cronin will fix it at the draft; he might make things worse. Of course, that would be good for the tank

It needs to improve but I don't find it dysfunctional. Is it because of the vets mixed with the youngsters? Grant, Brogdon, and Thybulle might not fit well with the others, but that is an easy fix if you want them all gone. Teams will easily take them off our hands if we want to dump them. It's not like we are stuck with them.

In my mind, this young roster is not a fucking mess. Is it missing a star? Yes but these guys are all 25 and younger (except Ayton who will turn 26 in July)
It is not that bad of a foundation for the future. It just needs a young high-scoring forward.

PG: Scoot-Ant-Banton
SG- Sharpe- Ant-Rupert
SF- Murray- #7
PF- Walker-Camara
C- Ayton-#14
 
Blazers will only be 7M below the tax line. They could make it 9M below by waiving Blanton, but he may be as good as anybody the Blazers add from the lottery. In any event, adding the rookie scale from the 7th & 14th picks puts the Blazers 1-3M over the tax line. If Blanton is gone that would make 14 players and 1M over the line. Also, the payroll number and roster count doesn't include Duop Reath

so adding a 3rd 1st round pick would make the tax situation worse. And all that doesn't include the 2nd round picks

obviously, trades can mitigate the tax and roster situations, but in that context the Blazers couldn't have landed on a worse draft to have two lottery picks as trade leverage...if that's what they are shooting for. IMO, the roster is a dysfunctional fucking mess. I'm unconvinced Cronin will fix it at the draft; he might make things worse. Of course, that would be good for the tank

Blazers are in this stupid predicament from matching the worthless Thybulle contract, should have let him walk.

I guess we will see what happens. My concern is we get much less talent or assets back in a Grant/Brogdon/etc trade because Jody/Vulcan insist on cutting x million of dollars in the trade as well.
 
It needs to improve but I don't find it dysfunctional. Is it because of the vets mixed with the youngsters? Grant, Brogdon, and Thybulle might not fit well with the others, but that is an easy fix if you want them all gone. Teams will easily take them off our hands if we want to dump them. It's not like we are stuck with them.

In my mind, this young roster is not a fucking mess. Is it missing a star? Yes but these guys are all 25 and younger (except Ayton who will turn 26 in July)
It is not that bad of a foundation for the future. It just needs a young high-scoring forward.

PG: Scoot-Ant-Banton
SG- Sharpe- Ant-Rupert
SF- Murray- #7
PF- Walker-Camara
C- Ayton-#14
Add a young high scoring forward and this roster is still nowhere close to 10th seed playin level. We don't have one above average starting level NBA player on this roster. It's also in the luxury tax, it remarkable Cronin was able to assemble such a bad roster that is both last in the west with 21 wins as well as in the luxury tax, thats unheard of to be in both those positions at once.

Washington is the only worse roster in the NBA so I'm not sure how you could consider this anything but a mess.

OKC had two years where they had very poor rosters with a lot of losses - but they were EXTREMELY aggressive with their rebuild and trading every vet for a future asset/pick. This Blazers cautious approach of dipping a toe in ever little pool of win now with vets/rebuild/multiple timeline different directions has been a consistent failure since Cronin took over from Olshey 3 years ago.
 
Add a young high scoring forward and this roster is still nowhere close to 10th seed playin level. We don't have one above average starting level NBA player on this roster. It's also in the luxury tax, it remarkable Cronin was able to assemble such a bad roster that is both last in the west with 21 wins as well as in the luxury tax, thats unheard of to be in both those positions at once.

Washington is the only worse roster in the NBA so I'm not sure how you could consider this anything but a mess.

OKC had two years where they had very poor rosters with a lot of losses - but they were EXTREMELY aggressive with their rebuild and trading every vet for a future asset/pick. This Blazers cautious approach of dipping a toe in ever little pool of win now with vets/rebuild/multiple timeline different directions has been a consistent failure since Cronin took over from Olshey 3 years ago.

So the young players won't ever improve? It's not like we are talking about next year. If so we need to dump Sharpe and Scoot now.
 
So the young players won't ever improve? It's not like we are talking about next year. If so we need to dump Sharpe and Scoot now.

Sure they might improve, just like in 2006 Telfair and Webster might have improved. But those young guys might not improve and might just be career backups. Every team in the NBA has veterans that can win now or youth that has a chance of upside. Detroit/Spurs/Hornets/Rockets/Jazz/Raptors/Grizzlies/etc all have better young players with more upside than the Blazers. The teams in the playoffs/playin all have better vets to win now. Some teams have both of those. Many teams have better cap situations. Factor in all of those dynamics and this roster is behind 28 teams and ahead of one - the Wizards.
 
Blazers will only be 7M below the tax line. They could make it 9M below by waiving Blanton, but he may be as good as anybody the Blazers add from the lottery. In any event, adding the rookie scale from the 7th & 14th picks puts the Blazers 1-3M over the tax line. If Blanton is gone that would make 14 players and 1M over the line. Also, the payroll number and roster count doesn't include Duop Reath

so adding a 3rd 1st round pick would make the tax situation worse. And all that doesn't include the 2nd round picks

obviously, trades can mitigate the tax and roster situations, but in that context the Blazers couldn't have landed on a worse draft to have two lottery picks as trade leverage...if that's what they are shooting for. IMO, the roster is a dysfunctional fucking mess. I'm unconvinced Cronin will fix it at the draft; he might make things worse. Of course, that would be good for the tank
I’m hoping we can dump some guys to teams that have cap space.
 
It needs to improve but I don't find it dysfunctional.

dysfunctional might not have been the best label, although after a 21 win season, no labels are out of bounds

Blazers don't have any two-way players except for maybe Brogdon. All the rest are too imbalanced between offense/defense

Ant is decent-offense/no-defense; Grant is decent-offense/weak-defense; Ayton is one-dimensional-offense/average-defense. And those three players dominate the ball & usage while costing 90M/year; this at the same time Portland has youth that needs developing and usage

I wouldn't have mentioned it because trades can address the issue, but I have a major concern that Cronin isn't planning for any substantial trade.
 
Sure they might improve, just like in 2006 Telfair and Webster might have improved. But those young guys might not improve and might just be career backups. Every team in the NBA has veterans that can win now or youth that has a chance of upside. Detroit/Spurs/Hornets/Rockets/Jazz/Raptors/Grizzlies/etc all have better young players with more upside than the Blazers. The teams in the playoffs/playin all have better vets to win now. Some teams have both of those. Many teams have better cap situations. Factor in all of those dynamics and this roster is behind 28 teams and ahead of one - the Wizards.

Sure they might improve, and they might not. Just like every team above you just mentioned that you think has more upside. I see a lot of question marks. How many times have we anointed a young team in the past that never became contenders? The answer is ......a lot. The only team on your list I am envious of is SA.
At least as of today. That might change after the draft.
 
Sure they might improve, and they might not. Just like every team above you just mentioned that you think has more upside. I see a lot of question marks. How many times have we anointed a young team in the past that never became contenders? The answer is ......a lot. The only team on your list I am envious of is SA.
At least as of today. That might change after the draft.
I don't want to go through each of the other "bad" teams' rosters, but I would be shocked if any of them only have three first rounders from the last four drafts. That is a shockingly low number and is one of the reasons so many are pessimistic about the Blazers' near- to intermediate-term future.

Banton and Rupert and Walker and Camara are... fine. But they were second rounders for a reason.
 
I’m hoping we can dump some guys to teams that have cap space.
I'd rather ride out the discomfort a little longer and get slightly more assets than just dump guys, even if it feels cleaner in the near term as a fan. extract as much value as you can--fan comfort level shouldn't be a priority for cronin. it's not like the repeater tax is going to be a thing anytime soon.
 
Blazers are in this stupid predicament from matching the worthless Thybulle contract, should have let him walk.

I guess we will see what happens. My concern is we get much less talent or assets back in a Grant/Brogdon/etc trade because Jody/Vulcan insist on cutting x million of dollars in the trade as well.
Word. And we let Josh Hart go because we "couldn't afford him". This is why I get irritated by folks who don't understand why bad contracts hurt the team.
 
Tidjane Salaun
Kel'el Ware
Jaylon Tyson

I don't know anything about Salaun or Tyson

but being a UofO alum and Duck fan I have seen Ware play. He sure looks a lot more like a 30min/game NBA C than Edey or Clingan...or Ayton for that matter. Enough mobility to defend on the perimeter; a good rebounder; a bit of three point shooting skill; gets to the FT line. If he was available at 14 I wouldn't object to Portland taking a flyer on him. I'm just not sure what his ceiling is
 
I don't know anything about Salaun or Tyson

but being a UofO alum and Duck fan I have seen Ware play. He sure looks a lot more like a 30min/game NBA C than Edey or Clingan...or Ayton for that matter. Enough mobility to defend on the perimeter; a good rebounder; a bit of three point shooting skill; gets to the FT line. If he was available at 14 I wouldn't object to Portland taking a flyer on him. I'm just not sure what his ceiling is
He reminds me a bit of Bam who was taken I believe at 14. I remember watching him work out for Portland and he was impressive.
 
I don't know anything about Salaun or Tyson

but being a UofO alum and Duck fan I have seen Ware play. He sure looks a lot more like a 30min/game NBA C than Edey or Clingan...or Ayton for that matter. Enough mobility to defend on the perimeter; a good rebounder; a bit of three point shooting skill; gets to the FT line. If he was available at 14 I wouldn't object to Portland taking a flyer on him. I'm just not sure what his ceiling is

Yeah, I agree. Salaun is hard for me to evaluate at this point, but if we go SF at #7 then I am leaning towards Ware at #14.

Right now Cody Williams would be my choice at #7. My guess/hope is that in 2-3 years, (22 years old) and an extra 20 lbs, he will be our SF of the future.
That is assuming Risacher will be off the board. So a Williams /Ware draft would not disappoint me at all.
 
I don't know anything about Salaun or Tyson

but being a UofO alum and Duck fan I have seen Ware play. He sure looks a lot more like a 30min/game NBA C than Edey or Clingan...or Ayton for that matter. Enough mobility to defend on the perimeter; a good rebounder; a bit of three point shooting skill; gets to the FT line. If he was available at 14 I wouldn't object to Portland taking a flyer on him. I'm just not sure what his ceiling is

Seems Ware is the most well-rounded of the big men. Mobile, agile, legit 7 ft, athletic and can even shoot the 3. I'd like to hear more about his defense.
 
Seems Ware is the most well-rounded of the big men. Mobile, agile, legit 7 ft, athletic and can even shoot the 3. I'd like to hear more about his defense.

Ayton reminds me of LMA, and I wonder if getting a Joel or Mason type center might let him play a bit more to his style.
 
In a year where it’s a crapshoot and there’s no guaranteed star, I’d be very happy with this scenario:

Two of the following at #7 and #14 (including trading up with #34 and #40):

- Buzelis (6’8.75 barefoot, 8’9.5 standing reach, 6’10 wingspan). He does a bit of everything and won’t be a liability on defense. On defense, that’s all we can ask for. On offense, I think he can grow into a Franz-kind of player.

- Williams (8’6.5 barefoot, 8’7 standing reach, 7’1 wingspan). I have similar feelings about him that I do about Buzelis. I like the long wingspan. He looks like he’ll be able to score and I was encouraged with what I saw in his ability to take the ball up the court.

- Salaun (6’9 barefoot, 7’0.75 wingspan, 8’9.25 standing reach). I know he’s raw, but the best thing we can do it take multiple stabs at big forwards who could become do-it-all wings.

- I’d be happy with Castle if he was selected by Schmitz though.

I’d also like one of the following bigs by trading up from #34 and #40, or in a trade for Ant where we get a future 1st and a pick high enough to grab one of:

- Tyler Smith (6’9 barefoot, 8’9 standing reach, 7’1 wingspan). Admittedly, with Reath becoming a reliable shooter, we don’t necessarily need Smith. But if Smith shows in the pre-draft process that he can be a high energy guy that can play defense, I’d love him on this team.

- Yves Missi (6’10.75 barefoot, 9’1.5 standing reach, 7’2 wingspan). High energy guy that would be a great third big with Ayton and Reath.

- Ware (6’11.75 barefoot, 9’4.5 standing reach, 7’4.5 wingspan). I still want to see if he will ever be a good defensive player. I like his potential on offense.
 
At the end of draft night, I would just like to have a team (torn down or not) that has serious SIZE. Currently, this is what I see our future as pre-draft:

- Scoot ( 6’2.5 barefoot, what, a 6’11 wingspan and 220lb?, A grade athleticism): say whatever you want about his rookie season. He has the athleticism of a guy I want my franchise PG to be and isn’t too small. For all of the work he needs to put in on offense, I saw a guy who actually looks to set up his teammates and does not back down defending giants in the post.

- Shae (6’4.25 barefoot, 7’0 wingspan, A+ grade athleticism): he still needs to get better at everything but has shown a lot of promise. This year, I hope he instills some alpha mentality. I’m learning more and more that it’s the determining factor of a star.

- Camara (6’7 barefoot, 7’0.5 wingspan): he’s really what I would consider the most important glue piece to our future imo. A four year extension would take him to the end of his prime pretty much. He is a 3 point shot away from being one of those Shane Battier kind of guys.

- Walker (6’6.75 barefoot, 7’0 wingspan): another one of those guys who is a A+ bench piece that I want here for a long time. He’s going to be the first young guy to get an extension, which makes it a bit easier to stomach because Shae’s extension won’t kick in until two years into Bari’s extension.

- Rupert (6’7 barefoot now?, 7’3 wingspan): I still have no idea what he’ll be. He was projected to be this guy who could be a defensive ace, but he looks too slow to ever become an elite one to me, but maybe his height and wingspan will just be too overwhelming for even the best guards. Right now though, I see so much promise in his shot and being able to eventually push the ball down the court on the break off of a board.

- Murray (6’7.75 barefoot, 6’11.75 wingspan): I thought drafting him was a miscalculation on Cronin thinking Dame would stay despite us drafting Scoot. I’m coming around to thinking Schmitz saw something in him. I got to see him live a lot this season. I saw a guy who was never out of place defensively and moved fluid in-game. He just wasn’t confident in his shot yet. I really do think we have a guy who will be almost as good as Keegan.

I’m not going to list out the bigs’ measurements because I don’t know if Ayton will be here past ‘26, but neither Ayton nor Reath are little guys, both are better defensively than Nurk and Eubanks. That’s eight guys that I consider as part of the future—two may become stars, two are good stop-gap bigs (I still need we need to find a promising big in this draft and then eventually find an elite big prospect to truly contend), and four are good prospects with great size and intangibles to become valuable contributors at a premium position.

Terrible season, terrible lottery results. However, I still see this draft changing the trajectory of our future. Add two more wings with size (or one wing with size and Castle to create the best young guard trio with Shae and Scoot) and another big to this team? That would be a 11-man rotation that I would tune in to watch every night. I believe a team with that core of young guys will become a contention team for MANY years.

Grant, Ant, Brogdon, Thybulle, RobWill—I don’t particularly care how much we get for them at this point. We got okayish draft compensation in the the Dame deal (enough for me to not complain about at least) and Schmitz has found several possible long term contributors I can root for. We need the vets gone going into this season.

Let Scoot and Shae have a full season to be the guys. Shae needs to develop a killer instinct, let him him get his 25ppg. Scoot, I want to see average 10apg. Add an A+ prospect next summer, and I see us as the next up-and-coming team.
 
We keep shutting down young players to chase a good draft pick and players aren’t going to want to have anything to do with the organization. Crushes the morale.

If you want to truly do a rebuild and suck ass convincingly you need to trade away Simons, Grant, Brogdon and Robert Williams for prospects and future draft capital and truly do a full on rebuild and not this half ass version.
 
We keep shutting down young players to chase a good draft pick and players aren’t going to want to have anything to do with the organization. Crushes the morale.

If you want to truly do a rebuild and suck ass convincingly you need to trade away Simons, Grant, Brogdon and Robert Williams for prospects and future draft capital and truly do a full on rebuild and not this half ass version.

This is what I have been saying. This is the time. Go full tank for Flagg. Trade away all the vets. Play the young guys.
 
This is what I have been saying. This is the time. Go full tank for Flagg. Trade away all the vets. Play the young guys.

Well it’s the troof. No reason we should be top 10 in payroll and teetering on the lux tax line. For what?
 
Well it’s the troof. No reason we should be top 10 in payroll and teetering on the lux tax line. For what?

I think this is the draft to try to grab another lotto pick. There's some guys that could be either fringe stars or solid starters and there's this idea that the draft is terrible. Try to move up to 3 to grab Risacher, grab whoever the BPA is at 7 and then BPA at 14. Move the vets and just go all-in on youth.
 
Just saw Drexler was picked #14 - wow pretty cool.

you didn't know?

that was back in the days when GM's were truly throwing darts at a board. There were 24 teams making selections for 10 rounds. Doc Rivers taken with the 31st pick; Manute Bol was taken with pick 97

the following year was Portland's infamous Bowie over MJ pick. Blazers then took Bernard Thompson at 19; Victor Fleming at 26 (never played a game); Steve Colter at 33 (very limited role player). And finally, getting one thing right they took Jerome Kersey at 46

the year after that Portland drafted Terry Porter at 24.
 
I thought we let Hart go because he wasn't going to resign with Portland, nothing to do with them not being able to afford him.
Who said that? He spoke very highly of his time in Portland. The Blazers didn't want to pay him.
 
I thought the draft only went 7 rounds back in the day. I remember Portland always took a local guy, usually small college, with their last pick. My brother played at Eastern Oregon and had a teammate drafted by Portland.
 

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