OT When NY is underwater

[Nate]

There are many more plausible explanations for NY to be underwater.

1. The land mass is sinking due to the weight of 20 million obnoxious people, and 100-story skyscrapers.

2. Land mass is always rising somewhere via volcanoes and earthquakes, which displaces the oceans making them rise.

3. The incredible amount of pollution we toss in the oceans also displaces the water making it rise.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/02/150212-ocean-debris-plastic-garbage-patches-science/

Where are the ocean levels falling then?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Where are the ocean levels falling then?

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of MARIS61, a fictional message board character created for my amusement, and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of any real person alive or deceased.

 

[MARIS61]

I wonder if climate change deniers vote republican because they are also climate change deniers, or if they are deniers because they fool themselves into believing it because the people they vote for are deniers.

And vice versa with democrats.

The issue is so partisan it's rediculous.

I've never met anyone who denies that climate changes.

Just a lot of rational people who realize:
a. It doesn't happen all that fast that it will have a big impact on our lives.
b. It is a natural, never-ending, ebb and flow occurrence which if halted would would mean The Earth had died.
c. There is only ONE way to lessen mankind's effect on it, lessen the numbers of mankind.

So if you really want to do something about slowing climate change, and believe mankind is having a negative effect, don't procreate at all. Ever. And support war on a global scale. Never take in an immigrant or refuge (they all come from overpopulated countries), and stop sending that $18 a month to Sally Struthers to feed your pretend Korean Orphanage kid anymore. Protest against foreign aid of any kind, support the death penalty, you better not sign any organ donor card, and then kill yourself (it's legal in Oregon).

 

[MARIS61]

Where are the ocean levels falling then?

Probably nowhere, since we're raising the seafloor by dumping all our waste on it.

Take a gallon of water, then drop a used oil filter in it. See what happens to the water level?

 

[MarAzul]

There are many more plausible explanations for NY to be underwater.

1. The land mass is sinking due to the weight of 20 million obnoxious people, and 100-story skyscrapers.

2. Land mass is always rising somewhere via volcanoes and earthquakes, which displaces the oceans making them rise.

3. The incredible amount of pollution we toss in the oceans also displaces the water making it rise.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/02/150212-ocean-debris-plastic-garbage-patches-science/

Decent article.

I sailed through this trash eddy 38 years ago. The one 1300 miles from Hawaii, 850 sw of Oregon. Then it was full of Glass floats. I only picked up a few, three I think.
Now they sell for a good chunk, but the trash eddy is full of plastic now. Probably never going to hit the collectors fancy.

Carbon tax isn't going to fix this shit.

 

[Denny Crane]

"If we're polluting the planet as bad as liberals claim then why is snow still white?"

- Denny Crane

"I write utter bullshit that I know nothing about"
"I don't follow the rules about personal insults"
"I hurl insults multiple pos"s in many threads"
"The oceans are dead"
- SlyPokerDog

 

[Denny Crane]

I've never met anyone who denies that climate changes.

Just a lot of rational people who realize:
a. It doesn't happen all that fast that it will have a big impact on our lives.
b. It is a natural, never-ending, ebb and flow occurrence which if halted would would mean The Earth had died.
c. There is only ONE way to lessen mankind's effect on it, lessen the numbers of mankind.

So if you really want to do something about slowing climate change, and believe mankind is having a negative effect, don't procreate at all. Ever. And support war on a global scale. Never take in an immigrant or refuge (they all come from overpopulated countries), and stop sending that $18 a month to Sally Struthers to feed your pretend Korean Orphanage kid anymore. Protest against foreign aid of any kind, support the death penalty, you better not sign any organ donor card, and then kill yourself (it's legal in Oregon).

Of course the climate is changing. Much of the northern hemisphere was covered in glaciers 10,000 years ago, and then they started melting as the climate got warmer. 10,000 years later, the climate is still getting warmer and the glaciers are almost all gone.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

There is only ONE way to lessen mankind's effect on it

so, you think mankind has an effect on it? Jeesh, go hug a tree.

 

[stampedehero]

This was pretty funny and true.

Richard Branson bit was great... lmao

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Donald Trump is to completely shut down one of the government's most important data services.

The Environmental Protection Agency's Open Data Web service – which stores information on climate change, life cycle assessment, health impact analysis and environmental justice – is to have its funding removed and will no longer be in operation, according to people working on the plan.

That will mean that citizens will no longer be able to access information on their environment and climate, keeping them from researching potentially fatal changes to their area.

The service stores data including detailed toxic chemical information, which allows citizens to look up whether there has been a dangerous spill in their area over the last 30 years.

The funding is likely to have been removed as part of the Trump administration's focus on removing climate and energy safeguards, and undermining much of the work of the EPA.

The service will go dark on Friday, bringing an end to the US government's biggest civilian-linked data service.

The news came as the Trump administration announced that the President would be signing a range of new laws that roll back protections on drilling and protections for the environment.

"This builds on previous executive actions that have cleared the way for job-creating pipelines, innovations in energy production, and reduced unnecessary burden on energy producers," the official said on condition of anonymity.

On Wednesday, Trump is expected to sign an executive order related to the 1906 Antiquities Act, which enables the president to designate federal areas of land and water as national monuments to protect them from drilling, mining and development, the source said.

On Friday, Trump is expected to sign an order to review areas available for offshore oil and gas exploration, as well as rules governing offshore drilling.

The new measures would build on a number of energy- and environment-related executive orders signed by Trump seeking to gut most of the climate change regulations put in place by predecessor President Barack Obama.

A summary of the forthcoming orders, seen by Reuters, say past administrations "overused" the Antiquities Act, putting more federal areas under protection than necessary.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...gency-government-administration-a7698736.html

 

[Denny Crane]

We really need to run up the debt further to pay for this shit.

 

[MarAzul]

Here is your Hero! Surveying the vast domain he has protected so that I can't even go there.
I was there before he was born for a week repairing our ship after surviving a terrific hurricane.
Another time, hanging out behind French Frigate Shoal waiting to rendezvous with a Troop ship en-route to Korea.

The dude thinks he protected the area by preventing sailors from going there! He didn't do shit about the trash that comes there from China, Philippines, Korea on the Pacific currents.
Looks Proud though, hey!! Damn! It pisses me off.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/09/obama-hawaii-midway-marine-climate-change/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/02/us/politics/obama-climate-change-midway-marine-monument.html?_r=0

http://www.friendsofmidway.org/

 

[3RA1N1AC]

He didn't do shit about the trash that comes there from China, Philippines, Korea on the Pacific currents.

What should he have done? Some sort of global anti polution regulation? That's a pretty radical idea, maybe he should save the whales while he's at it?

 

[Nate]

Of course the climate is changing. Much of the northern hemisphere was covered in glaciers 10,000 years ago, and then they started melting as the climate got warmer. 10,000 years later, the climate is still getting warmer and the glaciers are almost all gone.

So basically, and correct me if I'm not understanding this properly. We should just say fuck it, and pour gas on a burning house?

Next time a hurricane hits (and there's going to be a lot more of those, on a much larger scale) we should just say fuck it.

"Nature didn't want us to have this city"

Of course, I'm not taking into account the fact that, our actions are making the world heat up much faster than it naturally would.

 

[Nate]

I've never met anyone who denies that climate changes.

Just a lot of rational people who realize:
a. It doesn't happen all that fast that it will have a big impact on our lives.

c. There is only ONE way to lessen mankind's effect on it, lessen the numbers of mankind.

Two of the dumbest things I've ever read.

I'm sure you don't actually believe that.

 

[Denny Crane]

So basically, and correct me if I'm not understanding this properly. We should just say fuck it, and pour gas on a burning house?

Next time a hurricane hits (and there's going to be a lot more of those, on a much larger scale) we should just say fuck it.

"Nature didn't want us to have this city"

Of course, I'm not taking into account the fact that, our actions are making the world heat up much faster than it naturally would.

The proper metaphor is spitting in the ocean.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm sure you don't actually believe that.

I do.

 

[MarAzul]

Some sort of global anti polution regulation?

Hey! That sounds like an interesting plan. Might make a hell of lot more sense than closing the place down to sailors.

If you want to sell shit in the US, clean up the shit you dump in the ocean that comes to the US.

 

[Chris Craig]

He'll build a wall to keep that illegal water out.

Or sign an executive order to ban it, which will be turned down by a judge from Kansas

 

[barfo]

Or sign an executive order to ban it, which will be turned down by a judge from Kansas

I can't believe a judge sitting in some landlocked territory in the middle of the continent could overturn an executive order by the president.

barfo

 

[3RA1N1AC]

clean up the shit you dump in the ocean.

Sounds like some hippy dippy shit to me. You want to what, regulate corporations to make them clean up pollution?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

"I write utter bullshit that I know nothing about"
"I don't follow the rules about personal insults"
"I hurl insults multiple pos"s in many threads"
"The oceans are dead"
- SlyPokerDog

Really? And what personal insults are you talking about?

And yet according to you I'm a piece of shit? But what, that's not an insult, that's the truth? Fine, I'm a piece of shit.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

We Just Breached the 410 PPM Threshold for CO2

Carbon dioxide has not reached this height in millions of years

The world just passed another round-numbered climate milestone. Scientists predicted it would happen this year and lo and behold, it has.

On Tuesday, the Mauna Loa Observatory recorded its first-ever carbon dioxide reading in excess of 410 parts per million (it was 410.28 ppm in case you want the full deal). Carbon dioxide hasn’t reached that height in millions of years. It’s a new atmosphere that humanity will have to contend with, one that’s trapping more heat and causing the climate to change at a quickening rate.

In what’s become a spring tradition like Passover and Easter, carbon dioxide has set a record high each year since measurements began. It stood at 280 ppm when record keeping began at Mauna Loa in 1958. In 2013, it passed 400 ppm. Just four years later, the 400 ppm mark is no longer a novelty. It’s the norm.

“Its pretty depressing that it’s only a couple of years since the 400 ppm milestone was toppled,” Gavin Foster, a paleoclimate researcher at the University of Southampton told Climate Central last month. “These milestones are just numbers, but they give us an opportunity to pause and take stock and act as useful yard sticks for comparisons to the geological record.”

Earlier this year, U.K. Met Office scientists issued their first-ever carbon dioxide forecast. They projected carbon dioxide could reach 410 ppm in March and almost certainly would by April. Their forecast has been borne out with Tuesday’s daily record. They project that the monthly average will peak near 407 ppm in May, setting a monthly record.

Carbon dioxide concentrations have skyrocketed over the past two yearsdue to in part to natural factors like El Niño causing more of it to end up in the atmosphere. But it’s mostly driven by the record amounts of carbon dioxide humans are creating by burning fossil fuels.

“The rate of increase will go down when emissions decrease,” Pieter Tans, an atmospheric scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, said. “But carbon dioxide will still be going up, albeit more slowly. Only when emissions are cut in half will atmospheric carbon dioxide level off initially.”

Even when concentrations of carbon dioxide level off, the impacts of climate change will extend centuries into the future. The planet has already warmed 1.8°F (1°C), including a run of 627 months in a row of above-normal heat. Sea levels have risen about a foot and oceans have acidified. Extreme heat has become more common.

All of these impacts will last longer and intensify into the future even if we cut carbon emissions. But we face a choice of just how intense they become based on when we stop polluting the atmosphere.

Right now we’re on track to create a climate unseen in 50 million years by mid-century.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-just-breached-the-410-ppm-threshold-for-co2/

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Solution:

Carbon Tax of $25 every time you fly.
Carbon Tax of $100 for every car you have.
Carbon Tax of $1000 for every child you have.
Carbon Tax of $1 per square foot of your dwelling per year

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Carbon Tax of $25 every time you fly.

That's cheaper than most bag fees.

 

[Denny Crane]

400PPM

400 miles is the distance from Chicago to Memphis.

1M miles is the distance from the earth to the moon and back and there and back again, and part way there again.

1M miles is a trip around the equator about 40 times.

To put it in perspective.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

400PPM

400 miles is the distance from Chicago to Memphis.

1M miles is the distance from the earth to the moon and back and there and back again, and part way there again.

1M miles is a trip around the equator about 40 times.

To put it in perspective.

400 ppm milestone doesn't mean actual miles.

 

[Denny Crane]

400 ppm milestone doesn't mean actual miles.

It doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Interesting. Since I haven't said what I think the Scientific American article means what do you think I think it means?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Here is what some others think:





I think that is very interesting.