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[Denny Crane]

When you have an organization that in the past took money from tobacco companies to argue against the risks of cigarette smoking and then moves on to taking money from oil and coal companies to argue against global warming you bet I'm going to be skeptical of anything they have to say.

I would argue that is the correct logic.

You argue wrong. Can't change what genetic fallacy is.

Exxon-Mobile could have committed all kinds of atrocities. If they say water is wet, they're right, regardless of their past.

Idso is quite specific about 300ppm, 600ppm, 1 degree C and 0.4 degrees C. Address the facts.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think a lot of old people are in denial about the severity of what's going on with the planet. Because they don't want to die, knowing that their grandkids might be completely fucked. Maybe one day, they will reach the acceptance stage.

I think a lot of people are believing in a mass hysteria.

In the olden days, religious leaders kept people in line with scare tactics about fire and brimstone and biblical floods.

These days, it's political leaders threatening upcoming fire and brimstone and biblical floods.

The masses are suckers.

How much less carbon dioxide should we emit, and what will be the measurable effect?

Before we spend trillions and trillions of dollars, at the expense of actual good things, how about some predictions that match what actually happens?

When past predictions have failed to come to fruition, why double down?

 

[MarAzul]

These days, it's political leaders threatening upcoming fire and brimstone and biblical floods.

Ha! ^^^ Pretty damn close to, spot on!

While I reserve the right to the opinion that there is a good place for religion in our society, I also am aware of the excesses of religious leaders either abusing their position for their own gain or assisting the sovereign. We now see the the political leaders, using government to replace the religions, as a religion, and attempting to conscript pseudo science to replace clergy. The new dispensers of, pay or face doom. It is working far more effectively than I would have ever imagined could be possible.

Thank you for the clue.

 

[jonnyboy]

The climate is changing and theres nothing anyone can do to stop it. It was going to happen no matter what. Giving your money to corrupt cronyist politicians WILL NOT stop the poles from shifting or the earth from rotating along its axis, I promise. Perhaps liberals could just donate thier own hard earned money to these upstanding representatives rather than trying to force the rest of us to?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Scientist invents way to trigger artificial photosynthesis to clean air

A chemistry professor in Florida has just found a way to trigger the process of photosynthesis in a synthetic material, turning greenhouse gases into clean air and producing energy all at the same time.

The process has great potential for creating a technology that could significantly reduce greenhouse gases linked to climate change, while also creating a clean way to produce energy.

"This work is a breakthrough," said UCF Assistant Professor Fernando Uribe-Romo. "Tailoring materials that will absorb a specific color of light is very difficult from the scientific point of view, but from the societal point of view we are contributing to the development of a technology that can help reduce greenhouse gases."

The findings of his research are published in the Journal of Materials Chemistry A.

Uribe-Romo and his team of students created a way to trigger a chemical reaction in a synthetic material called metal-organic frameworks (MOF) that breaks down carbon dioxide into harmless organic materials. Think of it as an artificial photosynthesis process similar to the way plants convert carbon dioxide (CO2) and sunlight into food. But instead of producing food, Uribe-Romo's method produces solar fuel.

To see an explanation see this video:

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-04/uocf-siw042517.php

 

[MarAzul]

produces solar fuel.

Wow! That's cool, makes coal useful again.
Burn coal, for electricity.
Then blue light the bitch, For more good stuff.

Perhaps we could make electricity cheap enough to make Hydrogen. Enough to use as a portable fuel, then all our cars could wash the roadways instead of put the bitch in the atmosphere.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Adidas plans to sell at least one million pairs of shoes partially made with ocean trash by the end of 2017. Each pair of shoes will use an average of 11 plastic bottles.

German sports brand Adidas in partnership with environmental initiative Parley for the Oceans had released a limited edition ocean plastic waste sneaker last year. On May 10, the company is set to release three new running shoes, created with Parley Ocean Plastic, helping Adidas reach its goal of creating 1 million pairs of UltraBoost sneakers using ocean plastic this year.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/...-shoes-made-from-ocean-plastic/article/491058

 

[Nate]

I think a lot of people are believing in a mass hysteria.

In the olden days, religious leaders kept people in line with scare tactics about fire and brimstone and biblical floods.

These days, it's political leaders threatening upcoming fire and brimstone and biblical floods.

The masses are suckers.

How much less carbon dioxide should we emit, and what will be the measurable effect?

Before we spend trillions and trillions of dollars, at the expense of actual good things, how about some predictions that match what actually happens?

When past predictions have failed to come to fruition, why double down?

That's exactly what someone in denial would say

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Adidas plans to sell at least one million pairs of shoes partially made with ocean trash by the end of 2017. Each pair of shoes will use an average of 11 plastic bottles.

German sports brand Adidas in partnership with environmental initiative Parley for the Oceans had released a limited edition ocean plastic waste sneaker last year. On May 10, the company is set to release three new running shoes, created with Parley Ocean Plastic, helping Adidas reach its goal of creating 1 million pairs of UltraBoost sneakers using ocean plastic this year.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/...-shoes-made-from-ocean-plastic/article/491058

I bet manufacturing them has a larger carbon footprint than normal sneakers

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I bet manufacturing them has a larger carbon footprint than normal sneakers

@MarAzul doesn't care about that, he just wants the plastic out of the ocean. He also wants the guberment to do it so he won't be buying any of these damn shoes. @MarAzul is becoming such the liberal.

 

[Nate]

The MarAzul fears nothing.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-39704105

 

[MARIS61]

Next you're going to claim that no one should ever see a doctor because we're all going to die anyways. No credible scientist would argue against everyone eventually dies. It's a given among scientists.

No, I'll stand pat.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's exactly what someone in denial would say

LOL

I'm not the one promising fire and brimstone (the world will turn into a runaway greenhouse, tipping point, etc.), or biblical floods (oceans rising).

Nor do I believe in fabricated data.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Nor do I believe in fabricated data.

Then why do you keep posting it?

 

[Denny Crane]

Then why do you keep posting it?

I've posted no fabricated data.

But I will here to make you happy.

 

[MarAzul]

he just wants the plastic out of the ocean

Dang straight! Post a link to where Nike is touting their sending seiners out there to gather the shit up or better yet and Asian corporation. I would volunteer to show them where to go to maximize their affect. Oceanography is so much fun!

MarAzul is becoming such the liberal.

I don't know why you waste the wear on your fingers typing this tripe! River, Rasta and UCD would all be Trump fans before MarAzul could slip into the abyss and Nate could explain denial long before any slip could be detected.

 

[Denny Crane]

Dang straight! Post a link to where Nike is touting their sending seiners out there to gather the shit up or better yet and Asian corporation. I would volunteer to show them where to go to maximize their affect. Oceanography is so much fun!


I don't know why you waste the wear on your fingers typing this tripe! River, Rasta and UCD would all be Trump fans before MarAzul could slip into the abyss and Nate could explain denial long before any slip could be detected.

His favorite thing to do is to post something with "________ (insert member name here) is a ________(insert insult here)"

 

[SlyPokerDog]

His favorite thing to do is to post something with "________ (insert member name here) is a ________(insert insult here)"

1. Being a liberal isn't an insult.

2. If @MarAzul feels that calling him a liberal is a personal insult I have no problem apologizing.

3. My favorite thing to do is to get you so riled up that you start posting things from fake scientists that believe cigarette smoking isn't bad for your health.

4. According to you I'm just a piece of shit.

 

[MarAzul]

2. If @MarAzul feels that calling him a liberal is a personal insult I have no problem apologizing.

Naw! It's just another SlyPokerdog.

 

[MarAzul]

believe cigarette smoking isn't bad for your health.

I suspect everyone believes cigarette smoking is not so good for your health. Why is it that no one says this about smoking marijuana?
Hell man, I even hear it's better for you than booze!
So how did this shit get so good in the mind of so many who know so little?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I suspect everyone believes cigarette smoking is not so good for your health. Why is it that no one says this about smoking marijuana?
Hell man, I even hear it's better for you than booze!
So how did this shit get so good in the mind of so many who know so little?

http://reset.me/study/all-smoke-is-not-created-equal-marijuana-vs-tobacco/

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/what-are-risks-marijuana-smoke-compared-tobacco

 

[MarAzul]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Sounds like you would enjoy your marijuana in edible form.

(No Denny, that isn't a personal insult.)

 

[MarAzul]

Sounds like you would enjoy your marijuana in edible form.

Don't need anything thank you.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I suspect everyone believes cigarette smoking is not so good for your health. Why is it that no one says this about smoking marijuana?
Hell man, I even hear it's better for you than booze!
So how did this shit get so good in the mind of so many who know so little?

Smoke in any form isnt great for your lungs, but weed is naturally a bronchial dilator so it helps expel its own residue. Cigarettes have the exact opposite effect, they are a bronchial constrictor, they in effect restrict your bodies ability to expel their residue.

Add to that the added poisonous chemicals in cigarettes, and the fact that most people smoke 20 x the amount of cigarettes a day at least, and you have what logical people would call a "false equivalency".

 

[MarAzul]

the fact that most people smoke 20 x the amount of cigarettes a day at least, and you have what logical people would call a "false equivalency".

Naw, you only make it appear false by ignoring the some of the downside. Now don't get me wrong, I am not about to justify smoking cigarettes.

But I do have a little experience at running development projects where people perform by thinking. Where thinking intensely with tenacity in a narrow beam of concentration is required.
In the day I was involved with about 280 people doing this work, maybe half of them smoked cigarettes. I don't know if the cigs help them, but I do know it didn't impair their ability to perform.
Some of the best had one going all the time. Then we have the weed smokers, whole shit! That weed really screws up the Tenacity and concentration ability. At least that is my take, because these smokers never made it into the best group. Perhaps it is because of another cause, but I sure never could figure it out to be other than the weed. Hell even the heavy drinker could
perform better, they sobered up everyday. At least until they couldn't and then they needed help learning how not to do that shit. But the weed smoker didn't ever seem to learn nor want to learn not to do that shit. I hear the weed is much better and stronger these days, I seriously doubt it has improved ability to thinking intensely with tenacity and focus.

I suppose though in all fairness, I might be too harsh. If you have independent means or for what ever reason, no need to use the brain, then lol through the day on a cannabis ride maybe just the deal.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Hell man, I even hear it's better for you than booze!

theres downside to everything. if the worst thing about weed is "anecdotally it makes them think slower sometimes maybe"...save the concern.

"Booze" is incredibly physically addictive.

"Booze" kills around 90,ooo people a year in the US

"Booze" causes high blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, liver disease, digestive problems, and cancer of the breast, mouth, throat, esophagus, liver, and colon.

"Booze" is responsible for 1/10 of all deaths of males between the ages of 20 and 64.

"Booze" causes miscarriage, stillbirth, and fetal alcohol syndrome.

"Booze kills over 2000 people a year outright with alcohol poisoning.

an estimated 1.4 Million alcohol related violent acts against strangers are committed each year.

"Booze" plays a factor in:

15% of robberies
37% of sexual assaults
27% of aggrivated assaults
66% of domestic violence cases
40% of child abuse cases
and 40% of murders

1/3 of all traffic deaths are from drunk driving.

19% of all child (0-14) deaths in vehicle accidents are due to drunk driving.

The economic costs of excessive alcohol consumption is estimated at $250 billion a year.

Hell man, I even hear it's better for you than booze!

whoever you are hearing this from is much smarter than you on the subject. Take the time to listen next time.

 

[MarAzul]

whoever you are hearing this from is much smarter than you on the subject. Take the time to listen next time.

You seem to get confused easily. No way am I touting booze here. But I did note that people can and do recovery from excessive use of booze. Basically they must learn they do not
have to use the shit, and then recover from the ravages caused by the chemical addiction which takes time with abstinence. I have not observed the same recovery with the weed users.
Or even the will to try.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I have not observed

well shit! cant argue with that kind of logic.