OT When NY is underwater

[barfo]

well shit! cant argue with that kind of logic.

We know a thing or two, because we've seen a thing or two.

We are Old People, dum de dum dum dum.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

https://www.thoughtco.com/1821-hurricane-1773769

 

[SlyPokerDog]

https://www.thoughtco.com/1821-hurricane-1773769

And your issue with this is what exactly?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

https://www.thoughtco.com/1821-hurricane-1773769

New York City was hammered by a hurricane in early September 1821 and the ferocious storm caused flooding, property damage, and loss of life. In an era before scientific weather forecasting, the hurricane struck the city completely by surprise.

The great New York hurricane lived on in vivid memories of its survivors. Yet it might have been forgotten had it not become a milestone in the new science of meteorology.


As the storm passed through New England it blew down hundreds of trees. A Connecticut resident with scientific inclinations, William C. Redfield, walked along the path of the storm, making careful notes on how the trees fell.

Redfield's observations made him realize the severe winds seemed to rotate. Understanding that concept led to our modern understanding of hurricanes.

​

Using environmental observations to make scientific predictions and forecasts.

 

[Denny Crane]

NY got hit by hurricanes every 2-4 years in the 1800s. Those are nothing new.

The rivers there flood frequently.

And a lot of landfill under much of the place.

But... the sky is falling!

New Yorkers have spent the past four hundred years changing the coastal island they call home. It’s easy to forget (or not even realize) that Manhattan—or Mannahatta—was once a thin, marshy outcropping that protected the mainland from the ocean.​

But a recent look at the earliest known map of New Amsterdam reminds us: you don’t get to eight million inhabitants without making a few landfills. Ellis Island? Built on landfill, in part. Rikers too. FDR Drive, the World Financial Center, and Battery Park City: yep, they’re all sitting on piles of dirt and trash. In fact, it’s remarkable the East River still exists—a plan from 1911 proposed infilling the river (and parts of the harbor) to reclaim fifty square miles of land.​

Manhattan's topography—real and artificial—reentered public consciousness late last year, after Hurricane Sandy submerged parts of Lower Manhattan. Some engineers think it’s time to expand the shoreline even further to create “soft edges” to absorb the impact of the storm surge—a strange return to the city’s earliest incarnation as a marshland. As politicians and advocates are suddenly refocusing on the waterfront, the map is liable to change yet again—only this time, it'll be to repair and fortify the city against coming storms.​

http://gizmodo.com/watch-new-york-city-s-boundaries-expand-over-250-years-496440467

 

[SlyPokerDog]

NY got hit by hurricanes every 2-4 years in the 1800s. Those are nothing new.

The rivers there flood frequently.

And a lot of landfill under much of the place.

But... the sky is falling!

New Yorkers have spent the past four hundred years changing the coastal island they call home. It’s easy to forget (or not even realize) that Manhattan—or Mannahatta—was once a thin, marshy outcropping that protected the mainland from the ocean.​

But a recent look at the earliest known map of New Amsterdam reminds us: you don’t get to eight million inhabitants without making a few landfills. Ellis Island? Built on landfill, in part. Rikers too. FDR Drive, the World Financial Center, and Battery Park City: yep, they’re all sitting on piles of dirt and trash. In fact, it’s remarkable the East River still exists—a plan from 1911 proposed infilling the river (and parts of the harbor) to reclaim fifty square miles of land.​

Manhattan's topography—real and artificial—reentered public consciousness late last year, after Hurricane Sandy submerged parts of Lower Manhattan. Some engineers think it’s time to expand the shoreline even further to create “soft edges” to absorb the impact of the storm surge—a strange return to the city’s earliest incarnation as a marshland. As politicians and advocates are suddenly refocusing on the waterfront, the map is liable to change yet again—only this time, it'll be to repair and fortify the city against coming storms.​

http://gizmodo.com/watch-new-york-city-s-boundaries-expand-over-250-years-496440467

Yes, humans intentionally change our environment.

And that somehow is supposed to prove that we can't and don't unintentionally change our environment?

A bit of a logic fail there my friend.

 

[MarAzul]

well shit! cant argue with that kind of logic

Wise of you. The observations were done 1st hand with about 285 employees. About 11 successful recovery case succeeding in freeing themselves from alcohol addiction at a treatment center. None successfully freeing themselves from the weed. Too damn bad too, but then who am I to say? Perhaps they went on to other jobs and were very successful, I really don't know.

 

[MarAzul]

A whole lot of that fill was done with garbage as the fill material. Then the wiser New Yorkers put a stop to dumping the shit in the harbor even if you wanted to fill a lagoon. So they began barging it out to sea and dump it in the Gulf Stream. I think they were still doing this in the late Sixties when I worked in the Time Life building. Trouble is some times they didn't get it all the way to the gulf stream, tired tug skipper, stream move east or what? Then it ended up on New Jersey shores, some even Mass. But most went to the North Sea and it was somebody else's problem.

First New Jersey bitched, then the World. What the hell do they do with it now? Burn it?

 

[Denny Crane]

https://www.wired.com/2016/05/thanks-el-nino-californias-drought-probably-forever/

And

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/california-overcame-1001-odds-beat-epic-drought/

Just... lol

 

[Denny Crane]

A whole lot of that fill was done with garbage as the fill material. Then the wiser New Yorkers put a stop to dumping the shit in the harbor even if you wanted to fill a lagoon. So they began barging it out to sea and dump it in the Gulf Stream. I think they were still doing this in the late Sixties when I worked in the Time Life building. Trouble is some times they didn't get it all the way to the gulf stream, tired tug skipper, stream move east or what? Then it ended up on New Jersey shores, some even Mass. But most went to the North Sea and it was somebody else's problem.

First New Jersey bitched, then the World. What the hell do they do with it now? Burn it?

Landfill floods, but it is somehow man made global warming, not the landfill the issue.

 

[MarAzul]

Landfill floods, but it is somehow man made global warming, not the landfill the issue.

Actually it is mind boggling!

By the way, did they get any more damns built in Cal? This was the year to fill them suckers. Might only average 1 in 10.

 

[barfo]

Wise of you. The observations were done 1st hand with about 285 employees. About 11 successful recovery case succeeding in freeing themselves from alcohol addiction at a treatment center. None successfully freeing themselves from the weed. Too damn bad too, but then who am I to say? Perhaps they went on to other jobs and were very successful, I really don't know.

Were they alcoholics when you hired them, or did you drive them to drink?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Landfill floods, but it is somehow man made global warming, not the landfill the issue.

Wait, so you are admitting the humans can affect the environment?

That's an important step for you. Congrats!

 

[Denny Crane]

Wait, so you are admitting the humans can affect the environment?

That's an important step for you. Congrats!

Landfills are quite local.

And it's you attributing positions to me that I don't take.

Of course man can pollute. Every time you throw your cigarette butt out the car window.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Really? And what personal insults are you talking about?

And yet according to you I'm a piece of shit? But what, that's not an insult, that's the truth? Fine, I'm a piece of shit.

well i for one am glad that's finally settled

Solution:

Carbon Tax of $25 every time you fly.
Carbon Tax of $100 for every car you have.
Carbon Tax of $1000 for every child you have.
Carbon Tax of $1 per square foot of your dwelling per year

absolutely. then all that money can be used to pay carbon to fly to mars

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Landfills are quite local.

And it's you attributing positions to me that I don't take.

Of course man can pollute. Every time you throw your cigarette butt out the car window.

What? So you don't believe that humans can affect the environment?

 

[Denny Crane]

What? So you don't believe that humans can affect the environment?

I think they can, but they aren't much through CO2 emissions.

We absolutely were harming the environment with CFC emissions and stopping that was good.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I really don't know.

im glad we can agree on something!

 

[rasheedfan2005]

What? So you don't believe that humans can affect the environment?

maybe dog's are the cause for global warming? we should round up all the dogs and gas them.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think they can, but they aren't much through CO2 emissions.

We absolutely were harming the environment with CFC emissions and stopping that was good.

So you believe that we are no longer harming our environment?

And on top of that you believe that scientists were correct about CFC but wrong on CO2? And you're basing this on people who believe that cigarette smoking isn't harmful?

 

[MarAzul]

you believe that scientists were correct about CFC but wrong on CO2?

people who believe that cigarette smoking isn't harmful?

Do you think these are questions? Or Accusations?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Do you think these are questions? Or Accusations?

Just trying to get more information on what Denny actually believes. He said we were harming the environment, just trying to see if he really believes that we aren't now.

 

[MarAzul]

Just trying to get more information on what Denny actually believes. He said we were harming the environment, just trying to see if he really believes that we aren't now.

Right!
Now let us cut to the chase. What do you wish to do about it?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Right!
Now let us cut to the chase. What do you wish to do about it?

Step one, stop the war on science.

Step two, giant tax on homemade sailboats.

 

[MarAzul]

Step one, stop the war on science.

Ah! What war?

Step two, giant tax on homemade sailboats.

This one was tried by Lenin and Carter. Neither got the desired result, only no boats.

 

[barfo]

This one was tried by Lenin and Carter.

I saw Lenin and Carter in concert back in the day, at the Kingdome. Great show.

barfo

 

[rasheedfan2005]

If we are doing something to drown new york i think we should continue until we finish the job. Now if we could just speed up making california the next atlantis...

 

[MarAzul]

Step one, stop the war on science.

Step two, giant tax on homemade sailboats.

Wow! Look at the likes this turd got. Can anyone explain the synergy?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Wow! Look at the likes this turd got. Can anyone explain the synergy?

You spend more time worrying about who likes what post.

Have you thought about running for mayor of Bandon? You could count the votes as likes.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Wow! Look at the likes this turd got. Can anyone explain the synergy?

And since it's important to you I made sure to like your post.