Which is More Significant: Finishing 3rd in the West or the Playoff Sweep?

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As a Mariners fan who's never seen them play a playoff game, screw them. They finally had a great pitching outting tiday (shutout through 11), and it took them till the 12th inning to put runs on the board... rediculous.

Im starting to really get on board with the diamond project.
Baseball was always my favorite sport to play. Probably because i was best at it compared to others. It kinda sucks to watch on tv now. But live games and the people watching you can indulge in in between pitches... yeah. Good times.
 
Wasn’t it 14 years of not winning a playoff series until 0.9?

It’s been 19 seasons since we made it to the wcf....Let’s not get all high and mighty about the VERY modest amount of success the blazers have had over the last 20 years.

We have been a mostly irrelevant in the nba in my lifetime maybe some of you can remember 91’ but for most of us young fans 1st round exits are all we know or really have ever known, and it’s gotten pretty old.

I don’t get the acceptance of mediocrity personally, but I get that other teams have had it worse.

I just have one question: why are we judging our successes against the worst teams instead of the best?
 
I just have one question: why are we judging our successes against the worst teams instead of the best?
We've beaten top teams for the last 5 seasons....we've played worse against lottery teams at times...I enjoy each game they play for its own merits....when you've been a fan since the late 70s era, that's what you root for...one game at a time...sometimes just one quarter at a time. the competition makes it fun for me to follow...I can find something to enjoy in almost every game. I've cheered for underdogs in sports all my life...fortunately I got to see the Blazers win a championship
 
Wasn’t it 14 years of not winning a playoff series until 0.9?

It’s been 19 seasons since we made it to the wcf....Let’s not get all high and mighty about the VERY modest amount of success the blazers have had over the last 20 years.

We have been a mostly irrelevant in the nba in my lifetime maybe some of you can remember 91’ but for most of us young fans 1st round exits are all we know or really have ever known, and it’s gotten pretty old.

I don’t get the acceptance of mediocrity personally, but I get that other teams have had it worse.

I just have one question: why are we judging our successes against the worst teams instead of the best?

We're not claiming it hasn't been a struggle, but other teams have had it worse. The current Charlotte franchise has never won a playoff series. SAC currently has a streak of 12 consecutive losing seasons, with no end in sight. You think winning 49 games and a 1st round exit is bad, try winning 27 games every year and watching your GM fuck up 8 top 8 draft picks 8 years in a row. MIN also had 12 consecutive losing seasons prior to last year.

But yeah, this is one area where old age has it's advantages. I remember the 1977 championship. I was a teenager and didn't even live in Oregon at the time, but I was a huge Bill Walton fan, so I was cheering for POR over PHI in the finals. Of course, I also remember the early-90s teams that went to the finals twice. My ex-wife's company was a major corporate sponsor back then, so we went to most home games, often using her bosses season tickets that included VIP parking and the pregame buffet before home games at the MC.

It's not about accepting mediocrity. I don't think there is a single poster here, young or old, that doesn't wish the team was more successful. It's about appreciating and, and every success, no mater how small it may seem.

BNM
 
Respect your opinion, but disagree with your take. Different people value different things. Doesn’t take away from someone’s fandom if they value the regular season or playoffs more.

I enjoy cheering during the regular season, but I’d rather have play off success than a 70 win season. It doesn’t make me less of a fan than someone who would rather win 70 games than have playoff success.

I found the playoff performance more significant than the regular season, but that doesn’t mean I didn’t cheer for their success during the regular season too.
Everyone wants playoff success even if that success comes on the heels of regular season disappointment. However, you stand a vastly better chance of playoff success if you do well in the regular season. This is a fact and cannot be disputed.
 
Everyone wants playoff success even if that success comes on the heels of regular season disappointment. However, you stand a vastly better chance of playoff success if you do well in the regular season. This is a fact and cannot be disputed.
Yeah, but I was disputing the notion that what one finds as more significant to them indicates how much of a fan they are.
I took your original post to say that one group aren’t real fans.
 
Just a bad match up. We'd have hung right in there with or beaten half of the teams in the conference.

The pelicans were one of the 3 teams we didn't want to see.
 
Wasn’t it 14 years of not winning a playoff series until 0.9?

It’s been 19 seasons since we made it to the wcf....Let’s not get all high and mighty about the VERY modest amount of success the blazers have had over the last 20 years.

We have been a mostly irrelevant in the nba in my lifetime maybe some of you can remember 91’ but for most of us young fans 1st round exits are all we know or really have ever known, and it’s gotten pretty old.

I don’t get the acceptance of mediocrity personally, but I get that other teams have had it worse.

I just have one question: why are we judging our successes against the worst teams instead of the best?
Bruh, I've been watching the Mariners avidly since I was like 7 and I've never seen them play in a playoff game... Nothing compares to how pathetic that is.
 
Bruh, I've been watching the Mariners avidly since I was like 7 and I've never seen them play in a playoff game... Nothing compares to how pathetic that is.
I feel you. I kinda stopped watching the M’s after ichiro left as a player. I’m starting to come around now that ichiro and Edgar are coaches. I fucking love those two.

On a side note, maybe Paul should take a page out of their playbook and bring back a beloved player to be a fucking big man coach. I’ll fight anyone who says sheed wouldn’t be a good mentor for Collins and toughen up Meyers.
 
I feel you. I kinda stopped watching the M’s after ichiro left as a player. I’m starting to come around now that ichiro and Edgar are coaches. I fucking love those two.

On a side note, maybe Paul should take a page out of their playbook and bring back a beloved player to be a fucking big man coach. I’ll fight anyone who says sheed wouldn’t be a good mentor for Collins and toughen up Meyers.

I get your point, but Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje could "toughen up" Meyers. There is no place to go except up.

Although there are other experienced big men coaches I'd like to see the Blazers go after (Bob Thornton, bring back Kim Hughes, etc.), I wouldn't mind seeing Sabonis working with Nurk (especially) and Collins.

Unfortunately, he's already got a sweet gig repairing wrecked minivans down in Hubbard.

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BNM
 
I get your point, but Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje could "toughen up" Meyers. There is no place to go except up.

Although there are other experienced big men coaches I'd like to see the Blazers go after (Bob Thornton, bring back Kim Hughes, etc.), I wouldn't mind seeing Sabonis working with Nurk (especially) and Collins.

Unfortunately, he's already got a sweet gig repairing wrecked minivans down in Hubbard.

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At this point Chris kaman could be a huge help. Some one... anyone! I don’t understand how Collins is supposed to develop without any veterans or coaching
 
At this point Chris kaman could be a huge help. Some one... anyone! I don’t understand how Collins is supposed to develop without any veterans or coaching

Back when Meyers VERY briefly looked like he was making actual forward progress he had Kim Hughes as his big man coach and Chris Kama (a former Hughes pupil) as his teammates and mentor.

Jim Moran seems like a bright, likable fellow that has helped develop our young guards and wings, but he's NOT a big man coach. The results speak for themselves. Meyers is ruined, Vonleh never developed. Let's not waste the potential of Nurk, Collins and Swanigan because Neil holds a grudge against Kim Hughes.

There is no limit on how many assistant coaches you can hire and their salary doesn't count against the cap or luxury tax. Why do we not have the best money can buy working with our young big men?

BNM
 
There is no limit on how many assistant coaches you can hire and their salary doesn't count against the cap or luxury tax. Why do we not have the best money can buy working with our young big men?

BNM

Exactly this. David fizdale has like 20 assistants in New York right now half of them ex players. What is stopping us from hiring a couple? If we’re not going to pay veteran players and we’re not going to pay for coaching wtf are we even doing?

It’s actually a miracle (some call it Damian) we aren’t the kings right now the way this franchise is being run...
 
Exactly this. David fizdale has like 20 assistants in New York right now half of them ex players. What is stopping us from hiring a couple? If we’re not going to pay veteran players and we’re not going to pay for coaching wtf are we even doing?

And they can't even use the "we overspent on assistant coaches during the Summer of 2016 and don't have the cap space to sign any" excuse.

It's asinine that a team with so many young big men STILL doesn't have a proven big man coach.

BNM
 
Still need a big man coach.

Absolutely. The lack of a proven big man coach on a team that has a roster full of young big men is baffling to me.

The coaching staff has done a great job developing guards, but all of our young big men, recent and present, have struggled to develop - especially on the offensive end.

Can you imagine how good this team would be if our bigs developed to the same level as our guards?

Meyers, Vonleh and Collins were all lottery picks. We've seen what happened to the first two. I'm really trepidatious about Collins' future without the kind of coaching he needs to meet his full potential.

Even Nurk still needs work on the offensive end. He was better when he arrived out of shape from DEN than he was after our staff got a hold of him. He went from the Bosnian Beast we saw during Nurk fever to tossing up weak, off balance, low percentage flip shots.

Jeezus Paul, pry open your wallet and hire the best available big man coach on the planet. Your spending hundreds of millions of dollars in salaries on these young big men. For less than 1% of that amount, you could actually maximize your return on that investment - unless, of course you're happy with the way Meyers Leonard and Noah Vonleh turned out.

And if Neil still has his panties in a wad over Kim Hughes talking to the media before Neil could put his spin on losing Aldridge for nothing, tell him he either hires a proven big man coach or his ass is fired. This is fucking ridiculous. In the 3 years since Neil fired Kim Hughes, not one single POR big man has improved on the offensive end. In fact, Meyers and Nurk have both regressed. Meyers is a lost cause. You had to pay CHI cash money to take Vonleh off your hands. You spent three first round picks in a deep draft on two more young bigs - both who are struggling mightily on the offensive end. Yet, still no big man coach. How can you possibly be this stupid????

This team will only go as far as our young big men take us. Dame and C.J. are great, but they are what they are. They, alone, cannot make this team a contender in the stacked Western Conference. Given Neil's inability to attract even average free agents, the development of Nurk and Collins is our only hope to ever be more than first round fodder for the real contenders in the West. You need to pour every penny you can into developing our young big men, because if they don't reach their full potential, this team has reached it's peak. Again, that's ok - if you're happy with how they performed in the playoffs against NOP. If not, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Neil talks and talks and talks about trying to get Dame help, but he has failed miserably at attracting the kind of two-way players this team needs in supporting roles. Well, guess what, you have two potential great 2-way players on your roster already. But, unless you do something, that potential, and Damian Lillard's career, will be wasted. Maybe you're happy with that, but I doubt if Dame is.

BNM
 
Absolutely. The lack of a proven big man coach on a team that has a roster full of young big men is baffling to me.

The coaching staff has done a great job developing guards, but all of our young big men, recent and present, have struggled to develop - especially on the offensive end.

Can you imagine how good this team would be if our bigs developed to the same level as our guards?

Meyers, Vonleh and Collins were all lottery picks. We've seen what happened to the first two. I'm really trepidatious about Collins' future without the kind of coaching he needs to meet his full potential.

Even Nurk still needs work on the offensive end. He was better when he arrived out of shape from DEN than he was after our staff got a hold of him. He went from the Bosnian Beast we saw during Nurk fever to tossing up weak, off balance, low percentage flip shots.

Jeezus Paul, pry open your wallet and hire the best available big man coach on the planet. Your spending hundreds of millions of dollars in salaries on these young big men. For less than 1% of that amount, you could actually maximize your return on that investment - unless, of course you're happy with the way Meyers Leonard and Noah Vonleh turned out.

And if Neil still has his panties in a wad over Kim Hughes talking to the media before Neil could put his spin on losing Aldridge for nothing, tell him he either hires a proven big man coach or his ass is fired. This is fucking ridiculous. In the 3 years since Neil fired Kim Hughes, not one single POR big man has improved on the offensive end. In fact, Meyers and Nurk have both regressed. Meyers is a lost cause. You had to pay CHI cash money to take Vonleh off your hands. You spent three first round picks in a deep draft on two more young bigs - both who are struggling mightily on the offensive end. Yet, still no big man coach. How can you possibly be this stupid????

This team will only go as far as our young big men take us. Dame and C.J. are great, but they are what they are. They, alone, cannot make this team a contender in the stacked Western Conference. Given Neil's inability to attract even average free agents, the development of Nurk and Collins is our only hope to ever be more than first round fodder for the real contenders in the West. You need to pour every penny you can into developing our young big men, because if they don't reach their full potential, this team has reached it's peak. Again, that's ok - if you're happy with how they performed in the playoffs against NOP. If not, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Neil talks and talks and talks about trying to get Dame help, but he has failed miserably at attracting the kind of two-way players this team needs in supporting roles. Well, guess what, you have two potential great 2-way players on your roster already. But, unless you do something, that potential, and Damian Lillard's career, will be wasted. Maybe you're happy with that, but I doubt if Dame is.

BNM

Time to start a Petition. Thanks for writing the proposal!
 
I would really like to see a reporter bring this up about the lack of a big man coach; and to be persistent about getting an answer. As frustrated as we are here; nobody seems to be listening!
 
I would really like to see a reporter bring this up about the lack of a big man coach; and to be persistent about getting an answer. As frustrated as we are here; nobody seems to be listening!
There has to be someone on staff who’s job it is to work with the bigs right??? It’s weird, so weird. I don’t get why a team with one of the richest owners in sports doesn’t have a big great coaching staff...
 
There has to be someone on staff who’s job it is to work with the bigs right??? It’s weird, so weird. I don’t get why a team with one of the richest owners in sports doesn’t have a big great coaching staff...
Im sure they do. Why wouldn't they?
 
Did they bring Hughes on for Just Leonard. I thought he was on staff before they drafted him?
I believe he was on staff before Leonard but he certainly was the one working with Leonard the most.
Since that firing You’d be hard pressed to find a big who has gotten better as a Blazer...
 
God this big man coach shit is so tired. None of us have a fucking clue what goes during a practice and the capabilities of our coaches.

And I still haven't heard a good argument for why Meyers and Noah just aren't very good NBA players. And don't tell me it's because their post games never developed. Very few bigs nowadays are skilled enough to be efficient on the block.

Those guys failings as players go far beyond coaching and both had physical and mental flaws that they weren't able to overcome. It's why some make it, but a whole hell of a lot more don't.
 
I believe he was on staff before Leonard but he certainly was the one working with Leonard the most.
Since that firing You’d be hard pressed to find a big who has gotten better as a Blazer...
Ill be honest I don't think Hughes sticking around would have made a bit of difference with Leonard. He's not born passionate round baller and he will either get a bit better each year through osmosis or retire because he has no interest anymore other than the pay day.
 

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