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AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
I never said that you are taking the position of the side that disgarees with me. By the position of the "pro-no trade", I was referring to: "I don't want to pull the trigger on this deal, because I think we can sign a better FA in the summer." in reference to KP, not you.
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Whether you were saying i was taking that position or KP was is inconsequential. How is the position wrong?
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
I never said that you are taking the position of the side that disgarees with me. By the position of the "pro-no trade", I was referring to: "I don't want to pull the trigger on this deal, because I think we can sign a better FA in the summer." in reference to KP, not you.
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Pritchard didn't say that though. The one thing he did say was that having cap space may actually increase trade options this summer. Did you even listen to him interviewed on 95.5 or 1080?
 
Chuck Taylor said:
Whether you were saying i was taking that position or KP was is inconsequential. How is the position wrong?
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Petro seems to be talking out of his ass at this point. He is making stuff up and is talking while not having a clue about what any of this means.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
Whether you were saying i was taking that position or KP was is inconsequential. How is the position wrong?
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Because it may have very likely been a case of KP having too many offers, juggling too much and not being able to close the deal....not trading RLEC may not have been a choice but an inability for KP to get it done.
 
PapaG said:
Pritchard didn't say that though. The one thing he did say was that having cap space may actually increase trade options this summer. Did you even listen to him interviewed on 95.5 or 1080?
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No, I didn't listen to his interview. Of course having cap space increases trade options this summer. Doesn't mean they'll be any better than what RLEC could have brought back now.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
No, I didn't listen to his interview. Of course having cap space increases trade options this summer. Doesn't mean they'll be any better than what RLEC could have brought back now.
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It brings back basically the same thing in terms of cash from the organization, and it happens in an economy that has most of us unsettled. Take a step back.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Doesn't mean they'll be any better than what RLEC could have brought back now.
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And what could RLEC have brought back now? Cite some real, verified trade offers, no hypothetical trades that you think might or might not have been available.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Because it may have very likely been a case of KP having too many offers, juggling too much and not being able to close the deal....not trading RLEC may not have been a choice but an inability for KP to get it done.
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You think KP turned down an offer for someone like Wallace or Butler because he had too much on his plate? The guy set a record for most draft day trades ever! I don't know what happened, and you don't know what happened, but that reasoning doesn't seem very sound to me.
 
Minstrel said:
And what could RLEC have brought back now? Cite some real, verified trade offers, no hypothetical trades that you think might or might not have been available.
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Sorry, I'm not privy to that information. All I know is that RLEC could have brought back about 13 million dollars in salary/talent for a team looking to get under the luxury tax threshold and save some money.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
You think KP turned down an offer for someone like Wallace or Butler because he had too much on his plate? The guy set a record for most draft day trades ever! I don't know what happened, and you don't know what happened, but that reasoning doesn't seem very sound to me.
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Its a possibility, I think a real one. I believe there was some rumors floating around that he was contacted by 15 teams....I think he was playing a lot of bluffing, and when push came to shove, nothing came to fruitition.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Sorry, I'm not privy to that information. All I know is that RLEC could have brought back about 13 million dollars in salary/talent for a team looking to get under the luxury tax threshold and save some money.
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It could still do that this summer for a player that doesn't fit into the long-term plans, plus the Blazers save almost $5 million on the RLEC in cash. Why won't you acknowledge this and admit that you are clueless?
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Its a possibility, I think a real one. I believe there was some rumors floating around that he was contacted by 15 teams....I think he was playing a lot of bluffing, and when push came to shove, nothing came to fruitition.
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Well, I'm convinced. :ohno:
 
PapaG said:
It could still do that this summer for a player that doesn't fit into the long-term plans, plus the Blazers save almost $5 million on the RLEC in cash. Why won't you acknowledge this and admit that you are clueless?
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Yes, if we renounce Blake, Outlaw and Frye versus just losing RLEC.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Sorry, I'm not privy to that information.
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Then it seems pretty to silly to criticize Pritchard for not doing a deal. Unless you know of good deals he turned down, criticism makes no sense.

All I know is that RLEC could have brought back about 13 million dollars in salary/talent for a team looking to get under the luxury tax threshold and save some money.
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For a team looking to get under the luxury tax threshold, Portland had $4.5 million to offer. The rest of the $13 million expired only after calculations for which teams are over the tax threshold were done.

So, we know that. We don't know whether any teams offered anything of real value for that chance.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Its a possibility, I think a real one. I believe there was some rumors floating around that he was contacted by 15 teams....I think he was playing a lot of bluffing, and when push came to shove, nothing came to fruitition.
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You really think a guy who made six trades on the '06 draft day and 4 on the '07 draft day couldn't muddle through the offers to make one today? Really?
 
Chuck Taylor said:
You really think a guy who made six trades on the '06 draft day and 4 on the '07 draft day couldn't muddle through the offers to make one today? Really?
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Possibly. I think there were probably deals on the table but he couldn't get the deal he wanted done, so he just threw them away. No guarantee he can get the deal done in the summer either....he has less flexibility.
 
No one's saying to give him a free pass. You're avoiding the issues.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Well, then let's give KP a free pass!
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I'm not giving KP a free pass, but I am calling you out for your ignorance on both what was actually offered and what being under the cap this summer could mean in terms of a trade.
 
before we get ahead of ourselves and keep on shitting me, I'm happy with the team still. I'm just pissed we weren't able to get Gerald Wallace for RLEC, which I think could have been done if we had included Batum, which I would have gladly done. I think Wallace is a starting quality SF and would have been tremendous next to Roy.....Him or Rjeff, IMO could have put us into a deep playoff run THIS YEAR.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
before we get ahead of ourselves, I'm happy with the team. I'm just pissed we weren't able to get Gerald Wallace for RLEC, which I think could have been done if we had included Batum, which I would have gladly done. I think Wallace is a starting quality SF and would have been tremendous next to Roy.....
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Ironically, I really wanted Wallace or Butler to be a Blazer today myself. I just don't understand the mentality that you know better than KP, when you weren't privy to the deals being offered. That doesn't mean KP is infallible, but it does mean that your criticism is based on speculation. And if your criticism is based on speculation, it is crappy ass criticism.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
Ironically, I really wanted Wallace or Butler to be a Blazer today myself. I just don't understand the mentality that you know better than KP, when you weren't privy to the deals being offered. That doesn't mean KP is infallible, but it does mean that your criticism is based on speculation. And if your criticism is based on speculation, it is crappy ass criticism.
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everyone's opinions are based on speculations. from what happens this summer with cap space to anything else. we're fans behind computer screens, you can't expect much.

even the "insiders" have been shown to be full of shit.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
everyone's opinions are based on speculations. from what happens this summer with cap space to anything else. we're fans behind computer screens, you can't expect much.

even the "insiders" have been shown to be full of shit.
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I can expect at least a basic understanding of the facts, right?
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
everyone's opinions are based on speculations. from what happens this summer with cap space to anything else. we're fans behind computer screens, you can't expect much.

even the "insiders" have been shown to be full of shit.
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Well I guess you're right that most of our opinions are based on speculation. But normally we are debating a certain player versus another, or a certain trade versus another. The variables are known. Here, you are basically arguing that "making a trade that I don't have any concrete details about would be way better than not trading." Being that there is an unknown variable in your argument, I think its a completely different (and flat out wrong) way of speculating.
 
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