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BigGameDamian said:
This is on Bleacher report.


  1. Portland Trail Blazers Get: Paul Millsap, Thabo Sefolosha

    Atlanta Hawks Get: Allen Crabbe, Meyers Leonard, 2017 first-round pick (via Cleveland Cavaliers), 2017 first-round pick (via Memphis Grizzlies)
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Ignoring the Millsap part, I'd take Thabo, maybe along with Splitter's expiring, in exchange for...I dunno, Meyers and change?
 
Man. I bet there are a lot of sleazy college dropouts who majored in sports journalism getting paid to astroturf trade rumors by various agents right now. I wonder what the going rate is? This must be like their Friday "Stripper Flight" moment....
 
If I remember correctly; in the first "whispers" thread, or maybe it was a TBpup thread, it was said that Blazers brass was divided on which direction to go. It seems to me that if they were fairly certain they could get Butler or George, then there wouldn't be any confusion. Match one of those guys up with Lillard/McCollum, add another complementary piece, and you should at least be a team that puts up a good fight in the playoffs every year.
But if you don't think you have a chance or it turns out you didn't ever really have a chance; then I can see it's a problem. What if they passed on Cousins because they wanted to save their assets for Butler or George, and now they don't get them. I don't know if Cousins would have made them a contender but it sure would have put them in the playoffs every year and it sure would have been a more exciting team. Now that they passed on him and if no Butler or George, where do they go. It's one of the problems with drafting four year players, you can't really build around them with draft picks.
 
blue9 said:
These reports of Chandler and Okafor are really hurting Neil's credibility. After the Nurk trade I has back to being cautiously optimistic about him. But if he prized Chandler and Okafor higher than Nurk, then that's just additional evidence to lump in with all of his awful Free Agent targets that he (thankfully) mostly whiffed on.
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Nurk has so far had 20 good minutes for us. The book isn't written on what he will or won't do as a Blazer -- that said I don't like Okafor or Chandler much.
 
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Strenuus said:
I hated that we saw one game with him and he did well... and now had to wait 9 days to see it again.
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Yeah, it was a bit of a tease.

What concerns me (or maybe "concern" is too strong of a word?) it's what will he do when he's not motivated to give a big "F-U" to Denver for trading him? I listened to a couple of Denver people on podcasts around the time of the trade and there seemed to be a narrative that Nurk is a bit of a pouter and is kind of mentally fragile when things aren't going his way. That is to say, I wonder how he's going to look when the honeymoon phase is over? Hopefully those assessments were exaggerated.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Yeah, it was a bit of a tease.

What concerns me (or maybe "concern" is too strong of a word?) it's what will he do when he's not motivated to give a big "F-U" to Denver for trading him? I listened to a couple of Denver people on podcasts around the time of the trade and there seemed to be a narrative that Nurk is a bit of a pouter and is kind of mentally fragile when things aren't going his way. That is to say, I wonder how he's going to look when the honeymoon phase is over? Hopefully those assessments were exaggerated.
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Valid concern, for sure.
 
Like Rudy Fernandez, he expects to be an important part of the team, or why not return to Europe.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Yeah, it was a bit of a tease.

What concerns me (or maybe "concern" is too strong of a word?) it's what will he do when he's not motivated to give a big "F-U" to Denver for trading him? I listened to a couple of Denver people on podcasts around the time of the trade and there seemed to be a narrative that Nurk is a bit of a pouter and is kind of mentally fragile when things aren't going his way. That is to say, I wonder how he's going to look when the honeymoon phase is over? Hopefully those assessments were exaggerated.
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Easy solution, hire his dad as the big man coach so he's close at hand to kick some ass if lil' Nurk slacks off.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Yeah, it was a bit of a tease.

What concerns me (or maybe "concern" is too strong of a word?) it's what will he do when he's not motivated to give a big "F-U" to Denver for trading him? I listened to a couple of Denver people on podcasts around the time of the trade and there seemed to be a narrative that Nurk is a bit of a pouter and is kind of mentally fragile when things aren't going his way. That is to say, I wonder how he's going to look when the honeymoon phase is over? Hopefully those assessments were exaggerated.
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I think more than anything, he's a 22 year old big kid who lost his job to a guy better than him....I've heard Denver has had a toxic locker room for a long time now...Portland has leadership and support in the locker room...I think this is the difference maker.
 
Strenuus said:
Valid concern, for sure.
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hopefully he grows and matures from his Denver experience, he's 22 and seems like a decent guy who can play and might have a bright future here. If he doesn't then we have lots of options because he's cheap for this yr and next and if necessary we can wave good bye at just about any time
 
Nikolokolus said:
Nurk has so far had 20 good minutes for us. The book isn't written on what he will or won't do as a Blazer -- that said I don't like Okafor or Chandler much.
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Eliminating Nurk from the equation, leaving just the Chandler rumor - if true, that's damning evidence against Olshey. I like what I saw from Nurk, but if that trade was never made, and his name was never mentioned, I'd be irate at any acquisition of Chandler.

I/we don't know if Olshey's interest in Chandler was true or genuine - but if it was, if he prized him above Nurk and/or Okafor, he's got to go. There are just too many instances of Olshey targeting a crap player as his top priority.
 
blue9 said:
Eliminating Nurk from the equation, leaving just the Chandler rumor - if true, that's damning evidence against Olshey. I like what I saw from Nurk, but if that trade was never made, and his name was never mentioned, I'd be irate at any acquisition of Chandler.

I/we don't know if Olshey's interest in Chandler was true or genuine - but if it was, if he prized him above Nurk and/or Okafor, he's got to go. There are just too many instances of Olshey targeting a crap player as his top priority.
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I agree with the sentiment that Chandler, as a primary target, is untenable. However, Crabbe + #11 for Chandler + #2 makes some sense. Chander makes bank ($13M) this year, and for 2 years afterward making him dead wood on their salary cap.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I agree with the sentiment that Chandler, as a primary target, is untenable. However, Crabbe + #11 for Chandler + #2 makes some sense. Chander makes bank ($13M) this year, and for 2 years afterward making him dead wood on their salary cap.
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If Olshey thinks that the Suns would even consider that then that's comical.
 
Schilly said:
How a guy can be criticized as "damning" evidence for something he didn't actually do is beyond me, especially since we have no details at all.
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Well, there you go again, making sense and talking like an adult.
 
Schilly said:
How a guy can be criticized as "damning" evidence for something he didn't actually do is beyond me, especially since we have no details at all.
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Well, deciding to pursue a player is an action, which he could be criticized for as a reflection of his evaluation skill. I agree, though, that more details would be needed for it to be "damning."
 
Schilly said:
How a guy can be criticized as "damning" evidence for something he didn't actually do is beyond me, especially since we have no details at all.
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Because there definitely isn't an "if" in my statements... :eyeroll:
 
I really hope we get Okafor if we can't get Butler or PG.
He's young, we need another talented big (1 isn't enough) and worst case scenario - the Bulls like him so maybe we can trade for Butler.

Getting Chandler would be depressing, like another pathetic attempt to get a Marcus Camby so we can get the 8th seed.
 
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