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I have a feeling tomorrow morning is going to be nuts... I feel we'll make 2 trades. One small, one big.
 
yuyuza1 said:
I get the feeling (or maybe just hoping) that we're trying to get as many first round picks as possible. Already have 3. Get 2 more by dealing Rouq/Davis/Noah/Fes/etc. And pile em up to send out for a player (Drummond/Butler/Noel/etc). If we get another first round pick or two, keep an eye out for upcoming trades immediately after.
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I'm down with that strategy.
 
Strenuus said:
I have a feeling tomorrow morning is going to be nuts... I feel we'll make 2 trades. One small, one big.
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Odd, I have the opposite feeling. Well, it'll be nuts, but it'll be like draft day. This place will go ape shit and we'll have certain posters write "letters" to Neil or Paul Allen, and a lot over overreacting.
 
julius said:
Odd, I have the opposite feeling. Well, it'll be nuts, but it'll be like draft day. This place will go ape shit and we'll have certain posters write "letters" to Neil or Paul Allen, and a lot over overreacting.
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Neither scenario would surprise me. I could see us not doing a thing, and I could also see Olshey blowing it up. I mean I think Neil will blow it up regardless, but it might wait until the summer.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
They would probably want our pick. If we got drummond and kept lillard, cj and harkless, there would be a good shot of us making the playoffs.

So would you give them our pick, along with clevelands?
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We already have a good shot at making playoffs. That deal would give us a good shot at winning when we get there.
 
julius said:
Odd, I have the opposite feeling. Well, it'll be nuts, but it'll be like draft day. This place will go ape shit and we'll have certain posters write "letters" to Neil or Paul Allen, and a lot over overreacting.
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This is what I expect. Much ado about nothing.
 
julius said:
Odd, I have the opposite feeling. Well, it'll be nuts, but it'll be like draft day. This place will go ape shit and we'll have certain posters write "letters" to Neil or Paul Allen, and a lot over overreacting.
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Oh, that was factored in as "going to happen regardless"
 
julius said:
Maybe I'm naive, but that seems to be over-paying just a wee bit. I mean shit, that's better than the Cousins trade, and Cousins is a lot better than anyone listed in this entire trade scenario.
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The Cousins trade wasn't fair market value, it was an incredibly awful one-sided trade. Just as the Boston/New Jersey trade didn't set the market for declining veterans at "your franchise's future for the next decade," the Cousins trade is a one-off and won't be the baseline for anything.
 
Minstrel said:
The Cousins trade wasn't fair market value, it was an incredibly awful one-sided trade. Just as the Boston/New Jersey trade didn't set the market for declining veterans at "your franchise's future for the next decade," the Cousins trade is a one-off and won't be the baseline for anything.
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So you're saying that Drummond and Stanley Johnson are worth 3 players and 3 1st round picks (including 1 in the lotto)?

Even if you take into account Festus hasn't played (and is just a salary dump)?
 
julius said:
So you're saying that Drummond and Stanley Johnson are worth 3 players and 3 1st round picks (including 1 in the lotto)?

Even if you take into account Festus hasn't played (and is just a salary dump)?
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Well, in my opinion, two not-very-good players, an expiring contract, two not-very-good first round picks and one good first-rounder. I don't think Detroit even considers that package, personally. I wouldn't, in their place.
 
Minstrel said:
Well, in my opinion, two not-very-good players, an expiring contract, two not-very-good first round picks and one good first-rounder. I don't think Detroit even considers that package, personally. I wouldn't, in their place.
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I wouldn't if I was Detroit, but if I was Portland, I wouldn't offer it in the first place.

That's not to say I think the 3 players are great, and the 3 picks are sure fire anything, but that it's 6 potential players for 2, and the group of 2 isn't franchise changing or even really anything special.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I feel the same way about my impending dumps tomorrow. I ate a big tacqueria burrito for lunch and I had a couple of handfuls of peanuts for a snack.
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That's the spirit. I just hate half-a-pound of turkey lunch-meat, a cheese sandwich, carrots, and a chocolate muffin.

Not looking forward to that dump.....but it was so worth it.

Ahem....trades....I dunno. Haven't been following the headlines. But let's get a PF to go with Nurk.
 
The problem with Drummond is that if we don't offer either CJ or Lillard, and the chances are we won't, then none of our other players are that attractive to Pistons. They will never take Crabbe if they are willing to resign KCP for similar money as they are similar players, only Caldwell Pope is much better. They won't be interested in Harkless or Aminu because they got similar but better players in Marcus Morris and Tobias Harris. All our half decent tradeable players are not the kind they will want to have, so that comes down to the picks. Is three picks a good enough incentive for them?

Unless they trade KCP for a big, then replace him by trading Drummond for Crabbe and picks. They could for example get Brook Lopez or Nerlens Noel for KCP comfortably, probably with some sweet additions too, and then have Lopez/Noel, Crabbe and a bunch of picks. That does look good.
 
BTW I don't think we should completely close ourselves to the possibility of trading CJ. If someone like Drummond is made available then it's definitely worth a thought, especially if we can get Detroit to give us more (CJ's value will be higher than Drummond this year I think). If for example we could end this conversation by getting them to give us both Drummond and Caldwell-Pope for CJ and other pieces, then it's obviously a move we should be accepting. I am not saying trade CJ, I am saying when another team asks for him then at least start the conversations because it might turn out they value him much higher than he's actually worth.

We will have two shooting guards making starter money next year. This year our starting SG makes bench money and our backup SG makes starter money. We cannot keep them both. If the return for CJ could solve both our frontcourt problems, we MUST consider it. Having Drummond in this team would immediately change us. Nurkic is a fine talent and I think he'll still develop with Drummond here, he has a good range and could even share the court with him for a few minutes per game, and fill in when Andre is tired. He'd still be getting 18-22 minutes a game if we use our rotation well. Drummond would be getting 15 rebounds a game here easily.
 
Sarni said:
BTW I don't think we should completely close ourselves to the possibility of trading CJ. If someone like Drummond is made available then it's definitely worth a thought, especially if we can get Detroit to give us more (CJ's value will be higher than Drummond this year I think). If for example we could end this conversation by getting them to give us both Drummond and Caldwell-Pope for CJ and other pieces, then it's obviously a move we should be accepting. I am not saying trade CJ, I am saying when another team asks for him then at least start the conversations because it might turn out they value him much higher than he's actually worth.

We will have two shooting guards making starter money next year. This year our starting SG makes bench money and our backup SG makes starter money. We cannot keep them both. If the return for CJ could solve both our frontcourt problems, we MUST consider it. Having Drummond in this team would immediately change us. Nurkic is a fine talent and I think he'll still develop with Drummond here, he has a good range and could even share the court with him for a few minutes per game, and fill in when Andre is tired. He'd still be getting 18-22 minutes a game if we use our rotation well. Drummond would be getting 15 rebounds a game here easily.
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Haven't watched much basketball this year. Why is Drummond on the block?
 
OneLifeToLive said:
Haven't watched much basketball this year. Why is Drummond on the block?
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Pistons know they are not winning anything anytime soon and want to see what value they can get for Drummond. He's very young though (23) and his development will still take a few years so I'm surprised they are even considering this. Free throws aside he is an absolute monster of a player.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
Haven't watched much basketball this year. Why is Drummond on the block?
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Detroit is saying his lack of improvement.
The knock on him coming out of college was lack of motor, and weight concerns.
Meaning logically the knock followed him, well if Detroit isn't lying.(I don't see why they would if they're gauging his value)
 
Blazers Roy said:
Yes, MOAR picks! Sucks he's not chasing guys tho.
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Gotta pull down the payroll. We've been living on borrowed time.

His genius plan last summer was to overpay a bunch of talents who are highly valued around the league, have a great half-season honeymoon with all that talent as they inflate their values even more, trade them at the deadline, then come down to Earth and only make the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Anyone who doubted the high contracts got routed by homers here, who would repeat the easy plan ad nauseam.
 
honkicracker said:
Detroit is saying his lack of improvement.
The knock on him coming out of college was lack of motor, and weight concerns.
Meaning logically the knock followed him, well if Detroit isn't lying.(I don't see why they would if they're gauging his value)
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It's a bad sign when these motor issues resurface AFTER a player gets his big contract.
 
jlprk said:
Gotta pull down the payroll. We've been living on borrowed time.

His genius plan last summer was to overpay a bunch of talents who are highly valued around the league, have a great half-season honeymoon with all that talent as they inflate their values even more, trade them at the deadline, then come down to Earth and only make the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Anyone who doubted the high contracts got routed by homers here, who would repeat the easy plan ad nauseam.
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OneLifeToLive said:
Haven't watched much basketball this year. Why is Drummond on the block?
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That's a really good question, isn't it? 23 years old, supposedly their best player, signed to a long term deal...... The only thing I read is that VanGundy doesn't really like his effort level sometimes. So you have a player whose value is based only on his athletic ability and intensity ( a terrible free throw shooter) and his intensity is falling off at 23, hmmm.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
That's a really good question, isn't it? 23 years old, supposedly their best player, signed to a long term deal...... The only thing I read is that VanGundy doesn't really like his effort level sometimes. So you have a player whose value is based only on his athletic ability and intensity ( a terrible free throw shooter) and his intensity is falling off at 23, hmmm.
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as BNM pointed out he is the worst FT shooter in the history of the league and while his rebounding numbers are great pistons fans complain about his actual D and the Pistons are a better defensive team with him off the court. His offense game is pretty much dunks and his offensive rating has plummeted the longer he has been in the league. The D rating is fairly good still. Still doesnt' make a lot of sense why he is on the block but he seems like a very big project still and if Van Gundy doesn't want to deal with him or doesnt' think he can work with him I'm not so sure we could bring him in and make him better.
 
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