White House Attacks Fox News

[barfo]

I'll quote my earlier post. With emphasis:

it isn't about voter registration, it's about who the voters elect

Yep. Who's the president again? Which party controls both houses?
Scoreboard, baby!

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not sure those who stormed the convention are the same people that Gallup might reach in a survey of suburbia.

I'm happy to be known as a liberal, but I can see why joe six-pack would call himself a moderate.

barfo

I can see why half the republicans would call themselves moderate, too.

Split them moderates down the middle.

20% liberal
40% conservative
20% moderate conservatives
20% moderate liberal s

Looks like 60%-40% to me. As I said, the nation is right of center. It's not anecdotal evidence, either.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yep. Who's the president again? Which party controls both houses?
Scoreboard, baby!

barfo

Strawman? I didn't refute the democrats control government right now.

Do you think the Democrats will gain seats in 2010 like the republicans did in 2002?

I didn't think so.

 

[barfo]

Strawman? I didn't refute the democrats control government right now.

Then your point is pretty silly. Yes, there was a time when the people elected republicans. Before that, there was a time when they elected democrats. Before that, Republicans. Before that, Whigs.

You are living in the past.

Do you think the Democrats will gain seats in 2010 like the republicans did in 2002?

I didn't think so.

They'll lose a few seats, as usually happens in midterms, but they'll retain both houses.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Then your point is pretty silly. Yes, there was a time when the people elected republicans. Before that, there was a time when they elected democrats. Before that, Republicans. Before that, Whigs.

You are living in the past.



They'll lose a few seats, as usually happens in midterms, but they'll retain both houses.

barfo

We'll see, especially if they pass this health care bill. I am quite sure most people will feel it's being forced on them against their will.

And an election year of 10% unemployment rate is really good for incumbents who passed the largest spending bill in history, in the name of "stimulus."

 

[barfo]

I can see why half the republicans would call themselves moderate, too.

Split them moderates down the middle.

20% liberal
40% conservative
20% moderate conservatives
20% moderate liberal s

Looks like 60%-40% to me. As I said, the nation is right of center. It's not anecdotal evidence, either.

But they don't vote that way, and according to you, it's how they vote that matters. Hard to see how a liberal/socialist/fascist/communist/nazi/Kenyan/terrorist like Obama got elected by a 60-40 conservative majority. Are conservatives really really stupid? "Duh, Obama looks like a nice conservative young man".

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

But they don't vote that way, and according to you, it's how they vote that matters. Hard to see how a liberal/socialist/fascist/communist/nazi/Kenyan/terrorist like Obama got elected by a 60-40 conservative majority. Are conservatives really really stupid? "Duh, Obama looks like a nice conservative young man".

barfo

Throw the bums out.

I already wrote it out for you.

 

[barfo]

Throw the bums out.

I already wrote it out for you.

Yes. The population realized they were bums.
Guess you are thinking they'll forget they were bums? I have a feeling there will be some memory aids provided.

barfo

 

[yakbladder]

We'll see, especially if they pass this health care bill. I am quite sure most people will feel it's being forced on them against their will.

And an election year of 10% unemployment rate is really good for incumbents who passed the largest spending bill in history, in the name of "stimulus."

Historically speaking the Dems should lose some in both houses.

And how could one party make a talking point stick? Well, it's kind of like calling a stimulus bill to get us out of the Second Great Depression a "massive spending bill". It's all about branding.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes. The population realized they were bums.
Guess you are thinking they'll forget they were bums? I have a feeling there will be some memory aids provided.

barfo

I haven't forgotten they're bums - they all are (and crooks, too).

I'm not the one defending any of them.

 

[barfo]

I haven't forgotten they're bums - they all are (and crooks, too).

I'm not the one defending any of them.

Didn't mean to suggest you thought of them as anything but bums - but you seemed to imply the voters at large would forgive them by the next election.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Historically speaking the Dems should lose some in both houses.

And how could one party make a talking point stick? Well, it's kind of like calling a stimulus bill to get us out of the Second Great Depression a "massive spending bill". It's all about branding.

Historically speaking, GHW Bush shouldn't have won election in 1988, and Republicans shouldn't have gained seats in 2000, 2002, and 2004.

Unfortunately, anyone who was aware of the economy and politics in 1980 would know that the economy wasn't as bad in 2008/2009 as in 1980/1981. Let alone the second great depression. You'd think some of us might be offended by the bald faced lie. "Never let a good crisis go to waste" - even that is in the public record.

The branding thing only makes sense if you're keeping your own majority in line.

 

[yakbladder]

Historically speaking, GHW Bush shouldn't have won election in 1988, and Republicans shouldn't have gained seats in 2000, 2002, and 2004.

Unfortunately, anyone who was aware of the economy and politics in 1980 would know that the economy wasn't as bad in 2008/2009 as in 1980/1981. Let alone the second great depression. You'd think some of us might be offended by the bald faced lie. "Never let a good crisis go to waste" - even that is in the public record.

The branding thing only makes sense if you're keeping your own majority in line.

The Second Great Depression was just a little tongue-in-cheek joke about "branding".

 

[Denny Crane]

Didn't mean to suggest you thought of them as anything but bums - but you seemed to imply the voters at large would forgive them by the next election.

barfo

My hope is the voters realize they lose if either party gets elected. Vote Libertarian.

The next best thing is divided government. I'm plenty happy with Obama as president if he has a filibuster in the senate to keep him from tripling the biggest deficit in US history and growing government to 150% what it was when Clinton left office just 8 years ago.

 

[Denny Crane]

The Second Great Depression was just a little tongue-in-cheek joke about "branding".

That's how I read it. My point is that if it's BS, people will figure it out.

 

[barfo]

Unfortunately, anyone who was aware of the economy and politics in 1980 would know that the economy wasn't as bad in 2008/2009 as in 1980/1981.

I don't think that comparison is anywhere near as important to the average voter as it is to you. Plus the fact that it is only people our age and older that even remember 1980 in an economic sense. Plus the fact that by many measures you are wrong - it was worse last year.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think that comparison is anywhere near as important to the average voter as it is to you. Plus the fact that it is only people our age and older that even remember 1980 in an economic sense. Plus the fact that by many measures you are wrong - it was worse last year.

barfo

I don't need the Democratic Party talking points.

By no measure was it worse in 2008/2009.

 

[barfo]

My hope is the voters realize they lose if either party gets elected. Vote Libertarian.

I think people would, if the Libertarians could nominate an electable candidate. And if they had any money to elect a candidate. And, of course, if the Libertarians weren't completely insane.

barfo

 

[barfo]

I don't need the Democratic Party talking points.

By no measure was it worse in 2008/2009.

I'm pretty sure we've had this argument before.
Here's one measure: this recession lasted longer.

Edit: you think my pointing out that most people don't care about 1980 is a democratic talking point?
Or my pointing out that you have to be fairly old now to even remember 1980? That's a democratic talking point?

barfo

 

[yakbladder]

I'm pretty sure we've had this argument before.
Here's one measure: this recession lasted longer.

Edit: you think my pointing out that most people don't care about 1980 is a democratic talking point?
Or my pointing out that you have to be fairly old now to even remember 1980? That's a democratic talking point?

barfo

I remember 1980. What are you saying barfo?

 

[barfo]

I remember 1980. What are you saying barfo?

I'm saying, grandpa, that you are...

I'M SAYING GRANDPA, THAT YOU ARE GETTING UP IN YEARS...

No, not BEERS, YEARS. Oh, never mind.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I think people would, if the Libertarians could nominate an electable candidate. And if they had any money to elect a candidate. And, of course, if the Libertarians weren't completely insane.

barfo

Insanity is a non-interventionist foreign policy coupled with fiscal responsibility and not being bought and owned by special interests?

No.

Insanity is electing Democrats because Republicans are none of those things, then electing Republicans when you find out the Democrats are worse.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm pretty sure we've had this argument before.
Here's one measure: this recession lasted longer.

Edit: you think my pointing out that most people don't care about 1980 is a democratic talking point?
Or my pointing out that you have to be fairly old now to even remember 1980? That's a democratic talking point?

barfo

We had an abysmal economy for a decade in the 1970s, made significantly worse by Carter's 4 years. Remember WIN? (Whip Inflation Now). Remember gas lines?

The talking point is "we inherited the worst economy since the great depression."

 

[MrJayremmie]

Insanity is a non-interventionist foreign policy coupled with fiscal responsibility and not being bought and owned by special interests?

I'd certainly be for that. But it seems like wishful thinking.

 

[barfo]

We had an abysmal economy for a decade in the 1970s, made significantly worse by Carter's 4 years. Remember WIN? (Whip Inflation Now). Remember gas lines?

I remember Gerald Ford's Whip Inflation Now slogan.

The talking point is "we inherited the worst economy since the great depression."

Which of course wasn't what I actually said.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Insanity is a non-interventionist foreign policy coupled with fiscal responsibility and not being bought and owned by special interests?

No.

Insanity is failing to observe how close to the political center the two main parties are, and positioning yourself at the political fringe and still thinking that one day the country will wake up and embrace your party.

If you compromise and run on a platfrom of incrementalism, like the other parties do, then you'd have a shot at winning some elections. Or if you are happy just making a statement, keep running on radical change. Thinking you can have your cake and elect it too is insanity.

barfo

 

[BrianFromWA]

Funny you didn't suggest this before Bushbaby bankrupted our wealthy, budget-surplus nation.

Never work with exceptions, especially exceptions for the military-industrial complex that is the sole over-run.

Abolish our entire military presence overseas (over 3/4th of the entire "defense" community costs) and provide free healthcare to every American with the savings. Use the extra for infrastructure catchup.

I'm a bit confused by this. If we abolished the ENTIRE military (DoD is budgeted for $633B next year, including Afghanistan and Iraq contingency "overruns"), we wouldn't have enough to cover the expenditures of just Medicare/Medicaid's $742B (which, according to wiki, only covers 65 and older, or special cases). There isn't extra. Your "facts" are once again figments of your imagination.

I'd like to see how "military presence overseas" accounts for "3/4 of the entire 'defense' community costs". Perhaps our definitions are not the same. But at present, it looks as if, again, you have zero clue what you're talking about in regards to the department of defense.

Even with the President's proposed budget cuts for 2010, the deficit will be 1.17T. Yet, since the entire department of defense takes up $633B, it's a bit tough to say that the "entire overrun" is due to the military-industrial complex.

Would you consider the stimulus an "exception"? You know, the 787 that Bushbaby pushed through in Obama's first months of office? I mean, wait....

 

[Denny Crane]

I remember Gerald Ford's Whip Inflation Now slogan.



Which of course wasn't what I actually said.

barfo

A good read.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/105...s-as-an-unemployment-benchmark?source=reuters

 

[barfo]

A good read.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/105...s-as-an-unemployment-benchmark?source=reuters

It's a good read, but it seems that it contradicts your position. He said (back in Nov. 2008) that if unemployment hits 7.8% or higher, then we can start making comparisons to the 1930's. Well, we've hit that and then some.

As I mentioned before: only we experience a 9% jobless rate like the 1970s, or the double-digit jobless rates of the 1980s, or the 7.8% jobless rate of 1991, should we start making comparisons to the 1930s.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

It's a good read, but it seems that it contradicts your position. He said (back in Nov. 2008) that if unemployment hits 7.8% or higher, then we can start making comparisons to the 1930's. Well, we've hit that and then some.



barfo

But Obama said we wouldn't if congress passed his stimulus spending bill.

If unemployment goes to 80% are you going to be blaming the economy Obama "inherited?"