Politics White Nationalism

[Lanny]

"White nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race and seeks to develop and maintain a white national identity. Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation. White nationalists say they seek to ensure the survival of the white race, and the cultures of historically white states. They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries, maintain their political and economic dominance, and that their cultures should be foremost. Many white nationalists believe that miscegenation, multiculturalism, immigration of nonwhites and low birth rates among whites are threatening the white race, and some argue that it amounts to white genocide."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism

 

[dviss1]

What a crock of SHIT Wikipedia is....

 

[PtldPlatypus]

What a crock of SHIT Wikipedia is....

There something in that breakdown with which you disagree?

 

[Natebishop3]

I just want people to own up that there is bigotry and hatred from all races, and it will not stop until everyone starts thinking of themselves as people and not colors. There shouldn't be any kind of racial pride. I think it's fine to be proud of your heritage, but my heritage involves countries. It doesn't need to involve the color of my skin. Just as any black person can be proud of being British or any white person can be proud of being African. I just don't think this will stop until we stop looking at people as colors. Period. All of them. Across the board. If all the best students are Asian, then let in all the Asians who apply. Period.

 

[e_blazer]

I just want people to own up that there is bigotry and hatred from all races, and it will not stop until everyone starts thinking of themselves as people and not colors. There shouldn't be any kind of racial pride. I think it's fine to be proud of your heritage, but my heritage involves countries. It doesn't need to involve the color of my skin. Just as any black person can be proud of being British or any white person can be proud of being African. I just don't think this will stop until we stop looking at people as colors. Period. All of them. Across the board. If all the best students are Asian, then let in all the Asians who apply. Period.

Hmm. I was with you up until that last sentence where you used a racial type as filter instead of using nationality, and then applied a somewhat stereotypical opinion about them (they're all the best students) in a logically indefensible way to say that because most are good students, colleges should let in ALL of them who apply.

But, yeah, your major point is spot on, IMO.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hmm. I was with you up until that last sentence where you used a racial type as filter instead of using nationality, and then applied a somewhat stereotypical opinion about them (they're all the best students) in a logically indefensible way to say that because most are good students, colleges should let in ALL of them who apply.

But, yeah, your major point is spot on, IMO.

I was just giving an example. It's a legitimate problem where people are being denied from schools like Harvard because of their race, despite having the better grades.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...mative-action-is-on-trial-in-the-harvard-case

 

[e_blazer]

I was just giving an example. It's a legitimate problem where people are being denied from schools like Harvard because of their race, despite having the better grades.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...mative-action-is-on-trial-in-the-harvard-case

I'm aware of that issue and agree it's an issue that still needs to be addressed, but it kind of points out a problem with your major point. If we ask our colleges and businesses to consider race in making student admission and employee hiring and advancement decisions, how do we go about asking people not to consider race in their personal actions?

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm aware of that issue and agree it's an issue that still needs to be addressed, but it kind of points out a problem with your major point. If we ask our colleges and businesses to consider race in making student admission and employee hiring and advancement decisions, how do we go about asking people not to consider race in their personal actions?

No, that's not my point at all. I don't want them to consider race. They should be letting in the best students period. Race should not be considered at all.

 

[donkiez]

I just want people to own up that there is bigotry and hatred from all races, and it will not stop until everyone starts thinking of themselves as people and not colors. There shouldn't be any kind of racial pride. I think it's fine to be proud of your heritage, but my heritage involves countries. It doesn't need to involve the color of my skin. Just as any black person can be proud of being British or any white person can be proud of being African. I just don't think this will stop until we stop looking at people as colors. Period. All of them. Across the board. If all the best students are Asian, then let in all the Asians who apply. Period.

I dont really disagree with anything you said but its a bit to general and overlooks some of the issues.

True there is hate among all people, but racism is a power construct and hate or prejudice is most harmful when used by the race that would be considered in power of a particular country or institution. I lived in Tokyo for a few years in my early 20's and this point was really driven home to me then.

Another thing to consider is that most black people don't know where they came from, there is no records in relation to their slave ancestry. DNA is helping that a lot but its still pretty sad when you consider that you can be proud of being Irish or Italian or British and all they have is African or their current country of residence.

As far as school and work diversity, there is a benefit to having multicultural population. If all the best are one race then as a whole the community suffers, the cultures that are not involved suffer from not being involved and the cultures that are involved suffer from not having diversity around them to learn and grow from. When the admin or hiring managers are all one race themselves then they will have a natural bias towards people who are more like them and other deserving people will be left out for no fault of their own other than not being from similar background. Even the best intending admin or hiring managers will still have latent bias its a human condition. Also on large scale hiring or admissions there often is no "best person" there is a pool of really qualified people to choose from.

 

[dviss1]

There something in that breakdown with which you disagree?

Plenty. The word racism was never used. It's a complete whitewash of what white nationalism really is.I

It's utter bullshit.

 

[e_blazer]

No, that's not my point at all. I don't want them to consider race. They should be letting in the best students period. Race should not be considered at all.

Oh, my mistake. That is a horse of a different color (no horse racial stereotyping intended). I assume you're referring to the law suit against Harvard? https://www.forbes.com/sites/richar...-admissions-harvard-and-chicago/#5118c981f098

In theory, I get that students with the best grades should get the chance to go to the best universities. Unfortunately, there are still major road blocks to students who have disadvantaged backgrounds that are often associated with race that can result in equally bright kids not having a chance to earn good grades. I think that the universities got too carried away with affirmative action, but I'm not ready to say that we don't still need it to some degree.

 

[MARIS61]

I just want people to own up that there is bigotry and hatred from all races, and it will not stop until everyone starts thinking of themselves as people and not colors. There shouldn't be any kind of racial pride. I think it's fine to be proud of your heritage, but my heritage involves countries. It doesn't need to involve the color of my skin. Just as any black person can be proud of being British or any white person can be proud of being African. I just don't think this will stop until we stop looking at people as colors. Period. All of them. Across the board. If all the best students are Asian, then let in all the Asians who apply. Period.

All 5+ billion of them? Yeah that'll work.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Plenty. The word racism was never used. It's a complete whitewash of what white nationalism really is.I

It's utter bullshit.

I imagine it's attempting to provide an objective definition free of value judgments. Because the term "racism" itself is subjective, using it in a definition thereby renders that definition subjective as well.

 

[Natebishop3]

All 5+ billion of them? Yeah that'll work.

There aren't 5+ billion Asians in America, and they certainly aren't all applying to Harvard.

 

[dviss1]

I imagine it's attempting to provide an objective definition free of value judgments. Because the term "racism" itself is subjective, using it in a definition thereby renders that definition subjective as well.

A spade is a spade. Just like there's no such thing as Alt right either.

We need to stop having so many euphemisms for racist.

 

[Natebishop3]

I dont really disagree with anything you said but its a bit to general and overlooks some of the issues.

True there is hate among all people, but racism is a power construct and hate or prejudice is most harmful when used by the race that would be considered in power of a particular country or institution. I lived in Tokyo for a few years in my early 20's and this point was really driven home to me then.

Another thing to consider is that most black people don't know where they came from, there is no records in relation to their slave ancestry. DNA is helping that a lot but its still pretty sad when you consider that you can be proud of being Irish or Italian or British and all they have is African or their current country of residence.

As far as school and work diversity, there is a benefit to having multicultural population. If all the best are one race then as a whole the community suffers, the cultures that are not involved suffer from not being involved and the cultures that are involved suffer from not having diversity around them to learn and grow from. When the admin or hiring managers are all one race themselves then they will have a natural bias towards people who are more like them and other deserving people will be left out for no fault of their own other than not being from similar background. Even the best intending admin or hiring managers will still have latent bias its a human condition. Also on large scale hiring or admissions there often is no "best person" there is a pool of really qualified people to choose from.

If you reread what I wrote, you will notice that I did not use the word racism because I was prepared for a response like yours. I'm talking about bigotry and hatred. There are bigots who hate people based on race or religion and those people can come in all shapes and sizes and colors. Until we acknowledge that there are black people who hate white people, and Mexicans who hate blacks etc etc etc. Prejudice is not just exclusive to white people. I don't care if you call it racism or bigotry or just plain old hatred, but it exists, and until we admit that it exists, we won't get anywhere.

 

[dviss1]

There shouldn't be any kind of racial pride

Utter bullshit. You try saying this after you've been taught to hate everything about yourself.

We can't even wear our natural hair without MFs calling it kinky, unkempt, or unprofessional.

Being proud of who you are is the natural response to oppression for being who you are.

White pride means a completely different thing than black pride.

 

[Natebishop3]

Utter bullshit. You try saying this after you've been taught to hate everything about yourself.

We can't even wear our natural hair without MFs calling it kinky, unkempt, or unprofessional.

Being proud of who you are is the natural response to oppression for being who you are.

White pride means a completely different thing than black pride.

Do you think that there is an acceptable form of white pride?

 

[MARIS61]

Plenty. The word racism was never used. It's a complete whitewash of what white nationalism really is.I

It's utter bullshit.

Your view (and their view) is based on ignorance of simple biological facts.

There is only one race of human beings alive on this Earth. That is a biological fact. Unchallenged and unchangeable.

"White Nationalists" have much fear and hatred in their hearts, based on the illusion of race.

Until you both stop allowing a bunch of billionaire globalists to manipulate your emotions, nothing will change.

You are all willing pawns in a rich man's game.

 

[dviss1]

If you reread what I wrote, you will notice that I did not use the word racism because I was prepared for a response like yours. I'm talking about bigotry and hatred. There are bigots who hate people based on race or religion and those people can come in all shapes and sizes and colors. Until we acknowledge that there are black people who hate white people, and Mexicans who hate blacks etc etc etc. Prejudice is not just exclusive to white people. I don't care if you call it racism or bigotry or just plain old hatred, but it exists, and until we admit that it exists, we won't get anywhere.

Racism went hand in hand with colonialism.

White people need to own their shit.

Fix the problem y'all created.

 

[dviss1]

Your view (and their view) is based on ignorance of simple biological facts.

There is only one race of human beings alive on this Earth. That is a biological fact. Unchallenged and unchangeable.

"White Nationalists" have much fear and hatred in their hearts, based on the illusion of race.

Until you both stop allowing a bunch of billionaire globalists to manipulate your emotions, nothing will change.

You are all willing pawns in a rich man's game.

White people created the illusion of race.

Fix your shit.

 

[donkiez]

If you reread what I wrote, you will notice that I did not use the word racism because I was prepared for a response like yours. I'm talking about bigotry and hatred. There are bigots who hate people based on race or religion and those people can come in all shapes and sizes and colors. Until we acknowledge that there are black people who hate white people, and Mexicans who hate blacks etc etc etc. Prejudice is not just exclusive to white people. I don't care if you call it racism or bigotry or just plain old hatred, but it exists, and until we admit that it exists, we won't get anywhere.

Well then if you reread what I wrote you will notice I address every aspect of your concerns including acknowledging that hate and bigotry is in all people. You seem overly hung up on one word, which is essentially the same thing as hate and bigotry but from the people in power.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm a dog speciest.

 

[dviss1]

Do you think that there is an acceptable form of white pride?

Sorry that it's a double standard but it just is.

White people show white pride to oppress.

If you can show me an instance when white pride was used to simply be happy with who they are and not to Lord over another group of people I'd be open to accepting that.

 

[barfo]

There is only one race of human beings alive on this Earth. That is a biological fact. Unchallenged and unchangeable.

There is only one species of human. Whether there is more than one race depends on how you define race.

Commonly in biology race means a genetically distinct population within the same species.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

Utter bullshit. You try saying this after you've been taught to hate everything about yourself.

We can't even wear our natural hair without MFs calling it kinky, unkempt, or unprofessional.

Being proud of who you are is the natural response to oppression for being who you are.

White pride means a completely different thing than black pride.

I'm sorry you base your self-worth on appearance rather than your actions, but pride is pride and knows no color. Pride in the result of an accident of birth is the emptiest pride of all. Be proud of the way you raise your son. Be proud of the way you treat others. Be proud of your selflessness. Be proud of your achievements and your knowledge. Be proud of your patience and acceptance of other people.

As long as you mirror the hateful actions and opinions of your enemies you will continue to be controlled by them.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Sorry that it's a double standard but it just is.

White people show white pride to oppress.

If you can show me an instance when white pride was used to simply be happy with who they are and not to Lord over another group of people I'd be open to accepting that.

What about appreciating my privilege--is that allowed? Over the past decade or so, it's been made plain that being white, or male, or straight, or married, or Christian, or tall, or attractive, or not poor, or right-handed makes life in America easier than the alternatives. Well, I'm all of those, and I've become very grateful for the simplicity of my life as a result of those facts.

Now, I can't take pride in any of them, because I didn't come by any of those characteristics as a result of anything I've done. As far as I'm concerned, pride should be reserved for choices and accomplishments. But I'm certainly happy with the fact that all of those are aspects of who I am.

 

[MARIS61]

Racism went hand in hand with colonialism.

White people need to own their shit.

Fix the problem y'all created.

Nobody alive today has/had any part in colonialism, or anything else that happened before their birth. You are lashing out at dead people for oppressing other dead people.

21st century here, you're welcome to join us.

 

[barfo]

What about appreciating my privilege--is that allowed? Over the past decade or so, it's been made plain that being white, or male, or straight, or married, or Christian, or tall, or attractive, or not poor, or right-handed makes life in America easier than the alternatives. Well, I'm all of those, and I've become very grateful for the simplicity of my life as a result of those facts.

Now, I can't take pride in any of them, because I didn't come by any of those characteristics as a result of anything I've done. As far as I'm concerned, pride should be reserved for choices and accomplishments. But I'm certainly happy with the fact that all of those are aspects of who I am.

Hmm, white and hot and maybe you make $125,000? I have an idea for a video...

barfo

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Hmm, white and hot and maybe you make $125,000?

I damn well should, given all those other advantages. My salary is something in which I do not take pride.