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dviss1 said:
Sorry that it's a double standard but it just is.

White people show white pride to oppress.

If you can show me an instance when white pride was used to simply be happy with who they are and not to Lord over another group of people I'd be open to accepting that.
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I think the "good kind" of white pride isn't really white pride at all. It's just being proud of heritage. I did some research a while back and I could probably join the Sons of the Revolution if I wanted to. I thought that was pretty cool (although not enough to want to pay the money to join.) Is that really white pride though? I don't know.

I guess I just find it silly to be proud of your skin color. It's not something we earned. We were just born with it. It's like being proud of being tall. And in that regard I guess I can see where you're coming from, because some tall people are proud of being tall and quite literally and figuratively look down on short people.

Despite the fact that it's similar in a way (in that we are born with it), I think being proud of your heritage is okay, but not so much as to think that we are better than anyone, or worse than anyone.

I mean..... I hate the hair that I inherited and the male pattern baldness..... so it's not all sunshine and rainbows. I'm super jealous that black guys can shave their heads and not look like either Mr. Clean or a Neo Nazi.
 
dviss1 said:
Sorry that it's a double standard but it just is.

White people show white pride to oppress.

If you can show me an instance when white pride was used to simply be happy with who they are and not to Lord over another group of people I'd be open to accepting that.
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D, I get what your are saying but it is possible.
I am Irish and my family extended family is mixed. Which to me is beautiful. They know when St. Patrick's day comes around we celebrate it we celebrate at home as family with joy and happiness w/o putting ourselves on a pedestal.
 
dviss1 said:
White people created the illusion of race.

Fix your shit.
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Not my shit. I've never subscribed to that nonsense nor is it anything I need to fix.

It's as nonsensical as the belief in a flat world, and only fools pay any attention to it.

It's the shit of dead people, sorry you fell for it.
 
@MARIS61 you're bring up some good arguments but the personal insults need to stop. So far I have edited out 2 insults to Dviss. Please stick to arguing/debating what people have posted instead of telling them to grow up or insulting them.
 
dviss1 said:
White people created the illusion of race.

Fix your shit.
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In America, yes, but historically I guarantee that racism has been around for many thousands of years. It is not a new concept. We didn't invent it, just like we didn't invent slavery. Those ideas have been in practice since long before white people took power, that is unless you consider the Greeks and the Romans and the Persians to be white.
 
Hoopguru said:
D, I get what your are saying but it is possible.
I am Irish and my family extended family is mixed. Which to me is beautiful. They know when St. Patrick's day comes around we celebrate it we celebrate at home as family with joy and happiness w/o putting ourselves on a pedestal.
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Irish were treated like shit in this country before the term white was invented.

I'm proud to be black. I'm proud because our entire time we've been taught being blank was evil.
 
MARIS61 said:
Nobody alive today has/had any part in colonialism, or anything else that happened before their birth. You are lashing out at dead people for oppressing other dead people.

21st century here, you're welcome to join us.
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You don't realize how much you benefit from it to this day but hey, you're you...
 
dviss1 said:
I'm proud because our entire time we've been taught being blank was evil.
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Who teaches you that? I have never in my life been taught that black people are evil. Hell, when I was in high school every white kid wanted to be black. They dressed like rappers and they wore jerseys of their favorite football and basketball players etc. Most of the cool kids in the school were black. I didn't know a single black kid that was picked on, but the kids mercilessly picked on some of the nerdier white kids.

I'm not saying that I disagree with you, just that I never personally saw it, so I'm curious who teaches you that.
 
I would say that anyone who is proud of their heritage because of obstacles they had to overcome or culture that brings them joy is fine. Anyone that is proud of their heritage because they are not X (insert whatever X is) - does not understand what life and humanism is all about.
 
andalusian said:
I would say that anyone who is proud of their heritage because of obstacles they had to overcome or culture that brings them joy is fine. Anyone that is proud of their heritage because they are not X (insert whatever X is) - does not understand what life and humanism is all about.
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Pretty much this.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Who teaches you that? I have never in my life been taught that black people are evil. Hell, when I was in high school every white kid wanted to be black. They dressed like rappers and they wore jerseys of their favorite football and basketball players etc. Most of the cool kids in the school were black. I didn't know a single black kid that was picked on, but the kids mercilessly picked on some of the nerdier white kids.

I'm not saying that I disagree with you, just that I never personally saw it, so I'm curious who teaches you that.
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In our experience with white folks we usually run into several "types":

1. True good non racist folks.
2. Ones that emulate.
3. Ones that want to prove they're not racist.
4. Covert racists
5. Overt racists
 
dviss1 said:
In our experience with white folks we usually run into several "types":

1. True good non racist folks.
2. Ones that emulate.
3. Ones that want to prove they're not racist.
4. Covert racists
5. Overt racists
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To get back to his question, who taught you?
 
So far, this has been a really damn good discussion. Good read on all sides.

It's making me think of socially where we are coming from. I'll need to come back and give a full run-down, because it's going to be lengthy. If I have time later today I'll write it down.

Thank you guys for the discussion. A lot to chew on.
 
dviss1 said:
It's simply because white people haven't been taught to hate themselves.

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Now this I would completely disagree with. I was definitely taught about all the horrible things that white people have done to native americans and blacks. White guilt exists. Not everyone embraces it. Some people revolt against it, but it is definitely taught.

Maybe hate isn’t the right word though. We are taught to be embarrassed about our past. Be ashamed of it. Feel guilty about it. Hate isn’t the right word. Although some people might hate being white. I don’t know.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How? How do we fix it?
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It's big. Really big. I think we can start by simply listening and caring.

We can also start with the fact that there is a system of oppression that exists and whites are privileged to be the purveyors of that system.

The only way to solve it is first acknowledge that the privilege exists.

Ask your friends this question:

 
dviss1 said:
Plenty. The word racism was never used. It's a complete whitewash of what white nationalism really is.I

It's utter bullshit.
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How about this: white nationalism - the desperate fear that other men have a bigger penis than you do.
 
andalusian said:
I would say that anyone who is proud of their heritage because of obstacles they had to overcome or culture that brings them joy is fine. Anyone that is proud of their heritage because they are not X (insert whatever X is) - does not understand what life and humanism is all about.
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This. Nothing wrong with liking yourself - the problem starts when you hate others.
 
dviss1 said:
In our experience with white folks we usually run into several "types":

1. True good non racist folks.
2. Ones that emulate.
3. Ones that want to prove they're not racist.
4. Covert racists
5. Overt racists
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That can be pretty much said of any race though as racism isn't a "white man" issue.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Now this I would completely disagree with. I was definitely taught about all the horrible things that white people have done to native americans and blacks. White guilt exists. Not everyone embraces it. Some people revolt against it, but it is definitely taught.

Maybe hate isn’t the right word though. We are taught to be embarrassed about our past. Be ashamed of it. Feel guilty about it. Hate isn’t the right word. Although some people might hate being white. I don’t know.
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Really???

Y'all made GOD white....

Even when the bible says Jesus skin was brass...
 
dviss1 said:
Irish were treated like shit in this country before the term white was invented.

I'm proud to be black. I'm proud because our entire time we've been taught being blank was evil.
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You've hit on an important point. All the anti-immigrant and racist garbage of today is just a blind repetition of past mistakes. The reichwing refuses to acknowledge that - even in cases where their own ancestors were the target.

My father was a self described "Ozark mountain hillbilly" who grew up in Arkansas during the dpression. What set him apart from many of his peers, was that he *learned* from the anti-catholic discrimination aimed at his own family. His attitude was very simple: if a person was good enough to work next to him all day picking crops or digging ditches, that person was good enough to sit down at his table and eat dinner with.

How sad is it that a 1930s "hillbilly" understood that character and behavior was more important than color....but a 21st century president is in the dark on the subject?
 
dviss1 said:
Really???

Y'all made GOD white....

Even when the bible says Jesus skin was brass...
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I know I'm being snarky here, but keep in mind that many of the people you are refering to also believe that the campfire tales of Hebrew shepards take precedence over science and history.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
@MARIS61 you're bring up some good arguments but the personal insults need to stop. So far I have edited out 2 insults to Dviss. Please stick to arguing/debating what people have posted instead of telling them to grow up or insulting them.
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I've insulted nobody.

Advice is not an insult. It is encouragement and assistance.

Telling me I need to "fix" some ancient evil that someone with no connection to me committed before I was born is an obviously disgusting insult, but you let it stand.
 
dviss1 said:
You don't realize how much you benefit from it to this day but hey, you're you...
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LOL.

Why don't you educate me how I specifically have benefited from racism?

C'mon, bring all you've got since you know so much about my privileged life.

Seriously, I am interested in why you keep tossing this empty claim around. It's quite possible that I've overlooked something, and either way I'd love to have a better understanding of why you cling to this idea.
 
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