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SlyPokerDog said:
They are free to erect as many statues of Lee as they want in and around their own homes. The image of Lee isn't banned. The one in Charlottesville won't be available for them anymore.
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Hell, seeing how flakey Scientology is they should start a church of Lee. Get tax deductible donations to buy land and put an even better statue up.

And like pot and Rastafarians, at the church of Lee you could require everyone to have tiki torches.
 
Jade Falcon said:
I just don't understand why, 150 years later, a man who was loved by both the North and the South (Lee was an officer in the Union army before he was a Confederate....I'll bet few protesters actually know that) is now a divisive symbol. Give me a fucking break.

They have statues of Lenin in Seattle, for fuck's sake. Was Communism really that fucking swell?
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Don't know. But this was an outside group protesting. It's up to the citizens of Charlottesville to decide what to do with their statue.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Don't know. But this was an outside group protesting. It's up to the citizens of Charlottesville to decide what to do with their statue.
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From what I'm hearing, both sides were outside groups. Funny how it's never the home citizens who ultimately give a shit about these things, huh?
 
MarAzul said:
Your benevolence is noted sly.
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(and in case you don't get the reference...)

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Jade Falcon said:
I just don't understand why, 150 years later, a man who was loved by both the North and the South (Lee was an officer in the Union army before he was a Confederate....I'll bet few protesters actually know that) is now a divisive symbol. Give me a fucking break.
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Is your emphasis there on 'now' or on 'divisive'? He's obviously a divisive symbol, unless you want to argue the civil war was not divisive!

If you mean that we should have forgotten and forgiven by now, well, maybe you have a point.

They have statues of Lenin in Seattle, for fuck's sake. Was Communism really that fucking swell?
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Not because of some hero worship of Lenin. Someone rescued the statue from the scrap heap because they thought it was artful enough to be preserved.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Not because of some hero worship of Lenin. Someone rescued the statue from the scrap heap because they thought it was artful enough to be preserved.
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Wow, trippy story.

History[edit]
Background[edit]
The statue was constructed by a Bulgarian sculptor Emil Venkov, under a 1981 commission from the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia.[1][2] While following the bounds of his commission, Venkov intended to portray Lenin as a bringer of revolution, in contrast to the traditional portrayals of Lenin as a philosopher and educator.[citation needed]

Venkov's work was completed and installed in Poprad, Czechoslovakia (now Slovakia), in 1988 at a cost of 3,340,000 Czechoslovak koruna ($111,333 in 1993 United States dollars),[3] shortly before the fall of Czechoslovak communism during the 1989 Velvet Revolution.[1] Despite popular belief, the Poprad Lenin was not toppled in the demonstrations during the fall of communism. Instead, it was quietly removed from Lenin's Square, in front of Poprad's main hospital, several months after the Velvet Revolution.[citation needed]

Acquisition and move to Seattle[edit]
Lewis E. Carpenter, an English teacher in Poprad originally from Issaquah, Washington, found the monumental statue lying in a scrapyard ready to be sold for the price of the bronze; Carpenter had met and befriended Venkov while in Czechoslovakia. In close collaboration with a local journalist and good friend, Tomáš Fülöpp, Carpenter approached the city officials with a claim that despite its current unpopularity, the sculpture was still a work of art worth preserving, and he offered to buy it for $13,000.[1] After many bureaucratic hurdles, he finally signed a contract with the mayor on March 16, 1993.[4]

With the help of Venkov, the statue was cut into three pieces and shipped to the United States at a total cost of $40,000.[1] Carpenter financed much of that via mortgaging his home.[5] The statue arrived in Issaquah in August 1993, and Carpenter planned to install it in front of a Slovak restaurant. He died in a car accident in February 1994, during public debates on whether to display the statue in Issaquah that ended in rejection from the suburb's residents.[6] After Carpenter's death, his family planned to sell the statue to a Fremont foundry to be melted down and repurposed into a new piece. The foundry's founder, Peter Bevis, sought to instead display the statue in Fremont, and agreed to have the Fremont Chamber of Commerce hold the sculpture in trust until a buyer is found. The statue was unveiled on June 3, 1995, at the corner of Evanston Avenue North and North 34th Street, one block south of a salvaged Cold War rocket fuselage, another artistic Fremont attraction.[7]

The statue was moved two blocks north to the intersection of Fremont Place North, North 36th Street and Evanston Avenue North in 1996, adjacent to a Taco del Mar and a gelato shop.[8][9] The new location is also 3 blocks west of the Fremont Troll, another Fremont art installation situated under the Aurora Bridge.

The Carpenter family continues to seek a buyer for the statue. As of 2015 the asking price is $250,000, up from a 1996 price tag of $150,000.[8][10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin,_Seattle​
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Wow, trippy story.

History[edit]
Background[edit]
The statue was constructed by a Bulgarian sculptor Emil Venkov, under a 1981 commission from the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia.[1][2] While following the bounds of his commission, Venkov intended to portray Lenin as a bringer of revolution, in contrast to the traditional portrayals of Lenin as a philosopher and educator.[citation needed]

Venkov's work was completed and installed in Poprad, Czechoslovakia (now Slovakia), in 1988 at a cost of 3,340,000 Czechoslovak koruna ($111,333 in 1993 United States dollars),[3] shortly before the fall of Czechoslovak communism during the 1989 Velvet Revolution.[1] Despite popular belief, the Poprad Lenin was not toppled in the demonstrations during the fall of communism. Instead, it was quietly removed from Lenin's Square, in front of Poprad's main hospital, several months after the Velvet Revolution.[citation needed]

Acquisition and move to Seattle[edit]
Lewis E. Carpenter, an English teacher in Poprad originally from Issaquah, Washington, found the monumental statue lying in a scrapyard ready to be sold for the price of the bronze; Carpenter had met and befriended Venkov while in Czechoslovakia. In close collaboration with a local journalist and good friend, Tomáš Fülöpp, Carpenter approached the city officials with a claim that despite its current unpopularity, the sculpture was still a work of art worth preserving, and he offered to buy it for $13,000.[1] After many bureaucratic hurdles, he finally signed a contract with the mayor on March 16, 1993.[4]

With the help of Venkov, the statue was cut into three pieces and shipped to the United States at a total cost of $40,000.[1] Carpenter financed much of that via mortgaging his home.[5] The statue arrived in Issaquah in August 1993, and Carpenter planned to install it in front of a Slovak restaurant. He died in a car accident in February 1994, during public debates on whether to display the statue in Issaquah that ended in rejection from the suburb's residents.[6] After Carpenter's death, his family planned to sell the statue to a Fremont foundry to be melted down and repurposed into a new piece. The foundry's founder, Peter Bevis, sought to instead display the statue in Fremont, and agreed to have the Fremont Chamber of Commerce hold the sculpture in trust until a buyer is found. The statue was unveiled on June 3, 1995, at the corner of Evanston Avenue North and North 34th Street, one block south of a salvaged Cold War rocket fuselage, another artistic Fremont attraction.[7]

The statue was moved two blocks north to the intersection of Fremont Place North, North 36th Street and Evanston Avenue North in 1996, adjacent to a Taco del Mar and a gelato shop.[8][9] The new location is also 3 blocks west of the Fremont Troll, another Fremont art installation situated under the Aurora Bridge.

The Carpenter family continues to seek a buyer for the statue. As of 2015 the asking price is $250,000, up from a 1996 price tag of $150,000.[8][10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin,_Seattle​
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I'll chip in $10 to buy it.

But I want a piece of the bronze.
 
Alright folks, I'm unsubscribing to this thread. I've said all I wanna say, and I don't want a million notices taking over my mail box, because I've got a long day tomorrow. So if anyone replies to me, then I'm sorry I won't see it. Hopefully, it's polite. But this topic being what it is, it wouldn't surprise me if it's not.

Let's just be nice to one-another. We all need it.

Goodnight.

barfo said:
Is your emphasis there on 'now' or on 'divisive'? He's obviously a divisive symbol, unless you want to argue the civil war was not divisive!

If you mean that we should have forgotten and forgiven by now, well, maybe you have a point.



Not because of some hero worship of Lenin. Someone rescued the statue from the scrap heap because they thought it was artful enough to be preserved.

barfo
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.....okay, maybe not so fast then....

No, I didn't argue that the civil war was divisive. My argument is: why Lee? Of all the symbols people could get up in a tissy about from the Civil War.....why Lee?

If people are going to bicker about him just because he was a Confederate Officer.....then I wonder what those same people think of Oskar Schindler. A man who actually profited off of slave labor from Jews for a time.

Do I think Schindler was an evil man? No. But he WAS a member of the Nazi Party. And yet he's revered by many around the world, and history remembers him kindly.

I'm literally falling asleep here. So let's make this short and sweet barfo. Please.
 
Jade Falcon said:
Alright folks, I'm unsubscribing to this thread. I've said all I wanna say, and I don't want a million notices taking over my mail box, because I've got a long day tomorrow. So if anyone replies to me, then I'm sorry I won't see it. Hopefully, it's polite. But this topic being what it is, it wouldn't surprise me if it's not.

Let's just be nice to one-another. We all need it.

Goodnight.



.....okay, maybe not so fast then....

No, I didn't argue that the civil war was divisive. My argument is: why Lee? Of all the symbols people could get up in a tissy about from the Civil War.....why Lee?

If people are going to bicker about him just because he was a Confederate Officer.....then I wonder what those same people think of Oskar Schindler. A man who actually profited off of slave labor from Jews for a time.

Do I think Schindler was an evil man? No. But he WAS a member of the Nazi Party. And yet he's revered by many around the world, and history remembers him kindly.

I'm literally falling asleep here. So let's make this short and sweet barfo. Please.
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He's asleep guys....shhh..... grab the sharpie.
 
Minstrel said:
The main difference is that white supremacy has been a persistent strain of ugliness in the US and Europe for centuries, while Antifa is a recent flare-up. It's like having a cold and telling someone with cancer, "We both have problems, the only difference is that cancer is in the news right now." Both are illnesses, but one is a long-term problem that has had much more serious and devastating effects.
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No guys, people that fight against nazis are just as bad as nazis. Worse possibly.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
You could argue that the recent rise in visible white nationalism (cancer that was in remission) is because the leftists (new cancerous cells) have been accusing people of being racists, bigots, or just being flat out evil for simply disagreeing with their politics for the past decade. I Fucking hate white power fucktards but as a person who is center-right I can see the frustration of it all.

All of this is just a result of the left and the right nudging each other over the past 60 years, except now it's turning into a fist fight. And it's sad that it's come to this.
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Dude...it's their fault for being racist fucks. Some nazi lover will sit there and tell you "it's the democrats fault I'm a nazi" and you are gonna believe that shit? You really think some dude marching in a fucking nazi parade is doing it because someone on the left called him a Nazi?

And you "can see their frustration"? Jesus Christ.
 
I mean, I can certainly understand liberals pushing people to be conservative, and vice versa. But a few people here are seriously blaming the left for fucking nazi parades. It's just disgusting.
 
Minstrel said:
White separatism is a form of white nationalism and is explicitly supporting racial discrimination. Let's not get ridiculous--I agree that wearing a Trump hat doesn't make a person a Nazi, but being a white nationalist is close enough to make no never mind.
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If white separitists had their way, there could be no racial discimination because the races would be separate, living in their own lands. Lots of people in the world want to be clanish with their own cultural ethnic group, it doesn't make them "Nazis" or deserving of being attacked. That's not to say no white separatist crosses over into having violent ideology.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Dude...it's their fault for being racist fucks. Some nazi lover will sit there and tell you "it's the democrats fault I'm a nazi" and you are gonna believe that shit? You really think some dude marching in a fucking nazi parade is doing it because someone on the left called him a Nazi?

And you "can see their frustration"? Jesus Christ.
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Of course, this thing took place in the south, and some element of it was the KKK, which has always been there. There are also wider feelings of southern pride, that are not necessarily racist, but they feel sentimental about confederate icons and wanted to protest the removal of the statue.


Also, is there a "whitelash" against leftist identity politics, which continually accuses white people of being oppressors, part of an evil oppressive race etc, and support discrimination against white people in order to "even things out"? Yes, I think that's a big part of it as well.
 
unsubscribe from a thread? Getting notifications in email?

say what?
 
Sinobas said:
Yes, I think that's a big part of it as well
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A big part of what?

Nobody is saying that everyone on the right is a Nazi. But the people yelling "gas the Jews!" didnt turn into shitstains because they watched too much MSNBC.

What's scary is people "understanding their frustrations" or "I can see where they are coming from" type shit. I would assume that's white power 101, blame the "media".
 
American tourist gives Nazi salute in Germany, is beaten up

BERLIN (AP) — Police say a drunken American man was punched by a passer-by as he gave the stiff-armed Nazi salute multiple times in downtown Dresden.

Dresden police said Sunday the 41-year-old, whose name and hometown weren’t given for privacy reasons, suffered minor injuries in the 8:15 a.m. Saturday assault.

Police say the American, who is under investigation for violating Germany’s laws against the display of Nazi symbols or slogans, had an extremely high blood alcohol level. His assailant fled the scene, and is being sought for causing bodily harm.

It’s the second time this month that tourists have gotten themselves into legal trouble for giving the Nazi salute.

On August 5 two Chinese tourists were caught taking photos of themselves making the gesture in front of Berlin’s Reichstag building.

https://apnews.com/7038efa32f324d8e...st-gives-Nazi-salute-in-Germany,-is-beaten-up
 
3RA1N1AC said:
A big part of what?

Nobody is saying that everyone on the right is a Nazi. But the people yelling "gas the Jews!" didnt turn into shitstains because they watched too much MSNBC.

What's scary is people "understanding their frustrations" or "I can see where they are coming from" type shit. I would assume that's white power 101, blame the "media".
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Ok, well you're lumping everyone into one pot aren't you? There are people who are backlashing against toxic leftist politics without wanting to resort to hate of violence.
 
Sinobas said:
There are people who are backlashing against toxic leftist politics without wanting to resort to hate of violence.
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And those people should be the loudest voice in condemning the violence.
 
Sinobas said:
This is crazy. What if that guy was just protesting the statue being removed? Now you don't have the right to protest without a mob pressuring companies to fire you?
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But yes, I'm sure he went all the way to Virginia just to protest the removal of a statue.
 
Sinobas said:
This is crazy. What if that guy was just protesting the statue being removed? Now you don't have the right to protest without a mob pressuring companies to fire you?
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You never had that right.
 
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