Politics White Nationalist Rally turns to violence and terrorism

[Minstrel]

people like you

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Those things you mention are premeditated acts, and with definite aims to affect policy.

This one you have to prove it's beyond road rage, and I haven't seen any of that.

It's not like he sought out innocent people minding their own business. There were fisticuffs and other acts of violence going on already. He didn't target black people or jews or whatever group these fucks say they hate.

They're even saying on CNN (who generally have their panties in a bunch over nothing) that the domestic terrorism rap is hard to claim on this. The civil rights investigation is the way to go, and calling it a hate crime fits. It gets the guy the death penalty, too.

As for a Muslim, if he yells pro ISIS statements or has ties to ISIS (or whatever group), then you have domestic terrorism. You bet, we have to protect Muslims who may commit crimes that have nothing to do with political ideology.

Its just both sides love to troll each other and try to incite each other into goading each other to attack and lose control, then play the victim when something happens. Its fucking disgusting behavior. Then they go online, make fun of each other, then try to identify/dox everyone to further piss them off and harass each other while armchair quarterbacks on Facebook cheer either side on.

A big problem is that the left has been tolerating violence against these groups. "Punch a Nazi". "Theses guys look like fucking pussies".

You have Antifa in Berkley assaulting random people. Not even doing anything.

Yeah, when people keep on saying things about them like that and have an "open season on Nazis", they are going to get enraged/triggered/etc. And the end result of this is revenge/rage/murder at the hands of impressionable yokels.

You really don't think there will be retaliation for stuff like this? People celebrate stuff like this, and these fringe groups just build up rage as a result.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think you misread "resident" as "President."

I think a stopped clock is right more often than you. I have to repeat it, apparently.

 

[Denny Crane]

Its just both sides love to troll each other and try to incite each other into goading each other to attack and lose control, then play the victim when something happens. Its fucking disgusting behavior. Then they go online, make fun of each other, then try to identify/dox everyone to further piss them off and harass each other while armchair quarterbacks on Facebook cheer either side on.

There would have been no violence if the lefties didn't show up. Barely worth any media attention at all.

Instead, CNN and others are giving David Dukkke a megaphone. They're so blinded by their own hate that they're willing to take sides with that scum.

 

[Minstrel]

I think a stopped clock is right more often than you. I have to repeat it, apparently.

Keep pounding the table. But update your dad-insults, to make it more entertaining.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

There would have been no violence if the lefties didn't show up. Barely worth any media attention at all.

Instead, CNN and others are giving David Dukkke a megaphone. They're so blinded by their own hate that they're willing to take sides with that scum.

It seems the counter protest was allowed to continue despite the state of emergency. Everyone should have been dispersed, rather the counter protestors likely rubbed the fact that they "won" in the original protestors face.

 

[Sedatedfork]

I'm not talking about the protest, I'm talking about the driver that chose to drive his car through a crowd for a political end. Politically motivated slayings directed at civilian populations to my recollection have usually been pretty easy to call "terrorism," whether it was the Unibomber, the Weather Underground, the IRA, or Timothy McVeigh. Motivated by high-minded, low-minded, or trivial goals, they all had one thing in common; kill or injure people to send a message to their political rivals, be it governments or other citizens.

There's a really easy test here: If this had been a Muslim driving through a crowd of people would we be parsing the phrase "terrorism" so finely? There is no slippery slope here, because I'm not calling the act of protesting an act of terrorism, I'm very narrowly focused on the politically motivated slaying, which appears to be directed at preventing taking down a statue of Robert E. Lee -- a fairly trivial political end, but a political end nonetheless.

I guess the Boston Marathon bombers were just raging against runners. I always thought they were terrorists, but I now see I was wrong. Being anti-marathons is not a political motive. Thanks Denny for showing me the way.

 

[Denny Crane]

I guess the Boston Marathon bombers were just raging against runners. I always thought they were terrorists, but I now see I was wrong. Being anti-marathons is not a political motive. Thanks Denny for showing me the way.

They planned their attack. They bought supplies, built bombs, and chose the venue ahead of time.

 

[Denny Crane]

Keep pounding the table. But update your dad-insults, to make it more entertaining.

"resident libertarian" strawman. YOU pounding the table.

 

[Minstrel]

"resident libertarian" strawman. YOU pounding the table.

Well, this is the first time you've admitted that libertarianism is so absurd that calling someone one qualifies as an insult.

 

[crandc]

I wonder if all those "both siderisms" think Allied troops were "just like" Nazi soldiers?

The people were killed by one side.

I have spoken, loudly against the assholes who call themselves anarchist and break windows like children having tantrums, as though windows were our enemy.
But breaking windows still did not kill anyone.

There are NOT good people on both sides. Good people are not Nazis and Klansmen/women. Good people may be confused about racial issues but good people do NOT travel to Virginia to participate in a racist rally wanting to bring back a combination of Southern segregation and European Nazism with 21st century technology.

Any so called good people in a racist movement, the only way to show you are good people is to get the hell out.

We can debate a lot of things. Does affirmative action help reduce racial inequality in higher education? What is the impact of immigration on native born workers? Where does one person's religious freedom and and another's civil rights begin?

But my existence is not up for debate. I am a Jewish lesbian and this march was people who want me in gas chambers. That the so called president can call CNN the enemy of the people but not Nazis tells us, once again, what a weak and ignorant person he is, with no moral compass and no convictions.

 

[Sedatedfork]

They planned their attack. They bought supplies, built bombs, and chose the venue ahead of time.

But why are marathon runners equivalent to statue removers? Where is the political motive?

 

[Denny Crane]

Well, this is the first time you've admitted that libertarianism is so absurd that calling someone one qualifies as an insult.

You proving the stopped clock thing is true, over and over again.

What utter nonsense you post.

 

[Denny Crane]

But why are marathon runners equivalent to statue removers? Where is the political motive?

I make no such analogy. These fellows planned their attack well ahead of time, travelled to meet with terrorist organizations, targeted innocent people and they absolutely had political motive (all the political motive of ISIS).

The key word is in your question: "RANDOM"

 

[Minstrel]

National security advisor H.R. McMaster on Sunday said the car attack at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va. was terrorism.

“I certainly think any time that you commit an attack against people to incite fear, it is terrorism. It meets the definition of terrorism,” McMaster told ABC’s “This Week."

McMaster calls Charlottesville attack terror

 

[SlyPokerDog]

There would have been no violence if the lefties didn't show up. Barely worth any media attention at all.

Instead, CNN and others are giving David Dukkke a megaphone. They're so blinded by their own hate that they're willing to take sides with that scum.

Come on Denny, stop spewing Monday morning right wing talking points and spend a little time looking into what happened and why it happened.

The Right to be White rally was for Saturday. They had a legal permit, police were ready, businesses put up signs that they would be closed ( which the protest organizers quickly identified as jewish run businesses who were being racist against them so they were identified and their windows smashed, but we get to this in a little bit.)

Anyway, so this was suppose to be a giant Save the Poor Statue because we white people are victims rally on Saturday.

Instead these dipshits do an illegal march with torches on to the University of Virginia campus on Friday night. Spewing anti jewish rhetoric (because many local businesses were closed), chanting Nazi BS of Blood and Soil, throwing Nazi salutes, some dressed in KKK, some dressed as Nazis, and all completely illegal and not was what was told to the city of Charlottesville as to what would be occurring.

So these fucktards are doing illegal marches, provoking, insulting, spreading hate.

And according to you the citizens of Charlottesville should have just stayed in their homes and allowed this racist bullshit to happen in their city?

According to you these poor racist dipshits are just victims and none of this would have happened if it weren't for the left?

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

You're free to hide in your house and allow this to happen but don't blame people for saying, no, not in my city.

 

[riverman]

Come on Denny, stop spewing Monday morning right wing talking points and spend a little time looking into what happened and why it happened.

The Right to be White rally was for Saturday. They had a legal permit, police were ready, businesses put up signs that they would be closed ( which the protest organizers quickly identified as jewish run businesses who were being racist against them so they were identified and their windows smashed, but we get to this in a little bit.)

Anyway, so this was suppose to be a giant Save the Poor Statue because we white people are victims rally on Saturday.

Instead these dipshits do an illegal march with torches on to the University of Virginia campus on Friday night. Spewing anti jewish rhetoric (because many local businesses were closed), chanting Nazi BS of Blood and Soil, throwing Nazi salutes, some dressed in KKK, some dressed as Nazis, and all completely illegal and not was what was told to the city of Charlottesville as to what would be occurring.

So these fucktards are doing illegal marches, provoking, insulting, spreading hate.

And according to you the citizens of Charlottesville should have just stayed in their homes and allowed this racist bullshit to happen in their city?

According to you these poor racist dipshits are just victims and none of this would have happened if it weren't for the left?

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

You're free to hide in your house and allow this to happen but don't blame people for saying, no, not in my city.

Well said

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

GoDaddy bans neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer


Internet hosting provider GoDaddy will ban The Daily Stormer after the prominent neo-Nazi website published an article that attacked the victim of Saturday's car-ramming attack at a protest in Charlottesville.

"We informed The Daily Stormer that they have 24 hours to move the domain to another provider, as they have violated our terms of service," the company said in a tweet to Amy Siskind, the president of women's advocacy group The New Agenda.

Siskind had called out the company for hosting the neo-Nazi website after it published an article to attack the victim of Saturday's attack. Siskind's call for the website to be taken down received more than 3,000 retweets in less than two hours.

In the article, Daily Stormer founder and editor Andrew Anglin called victim Heather Heyer a "fat, childless 32-year-old slut." Sunday's article was widely condemned on social media and the link received more than 156,000 shares on Facebook alone.

"Despite feigned outrage by the media, most people are glad she is dead, as she is the definition of uselessness," Anglin wrote. "A 32-year-old woman without children is a burden on society and has no value. .. Childless women are black hole vortexes of public money and energy."

With no evidence, Anglin also condemned Heyer as a "child murderer," saying her age suggested that she likely underwent multiple abortions. He further attacked her weight and, without evidence, claimed that Heyer sought the "complete abolition of the white race."

"Whatever you think of the driver, it is clear that his actions saved us a lot of money," Anglin said, referring to murder suspect James Fields. "It appears that road rage got the best of him," he added, calling Fields a "hardcore player."

The Daily Stormer website was launched in 2013 and is roughly estimated to rank as the 4,483rd most-visited website in the United States, according to Alexa.com, which analyzes internet traffic. It ranks as the 12,711th most-visited website worldwide.

http://bnonews.com/news/index.php/news/id6332

Holy fuck!!!

Think he did this knowing what would happen so he could sue? (Not saying he'd win but he can file)

It is so ridiculous that I am having a hard time understanding how it could be real.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Merck CEO resigns from presidential council over Trump remarks

An African-American CEO of a major pharmaceutical company has resigned from a presidential council in a direct response to President Trump's remarks about "many sides" being to blame for violence over the weekend in Charlottesville, Va.

Merck chairman and CEO Kenneth Frazier said he was leaving Trump's American Manufacturing Council, arguing U.S. leaders must "clearly reject expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy."

"Our country's strength stems from its diversity and the contributions made by men and women of different faiths, races, sexual orientations and political beliefs," Frazier said in a statement that did not mention Trump by name.

"America's leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal," he continued.

"As CEO of Merck, and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism."

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...om-american-manufacturing-council-after-trump

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Merck CEO resigns from presidential council over Trump remarks

An African-American CEO of a major pharmaceutical company has resigned from a presidential council in a direct response to President Trump's remarks about "many sides" being to blame for violence over the weekend in Charlottesville, Va.

Merck chairman and CEO Kenneth Frazier said he was leaving Trump's American Manufacturing Council, arguing U.S. leaders must "clearly reject expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy."

"Our country's strength stems from its diversity and the contributions made by men and women of different faiths, races, sexual orientations and political beliefs," Frazier said in a statement that did not mention Trump by name.

"America's leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal," he continued.

"As CEO of Merck, and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism."

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...om-american-manufacturing-council-after-trump

Trump responds.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

By doing this, it has become painfully obvious that these guys are all insecure virgins who have 3 inch dicks.

You ever watch Howard Stern's smallest dick contest?

3 inches would look like John Holmes to the contestants.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Trump responds.

Uhhhhh, burn.

 

[Denny Crane]

Come on Denny, stop spewing Monday morning right wing talking points and spend a little time looking into what happened and why it happened.

The Right to be White rally was for Saturday. They had a legal permit, police were ready, businesses put up signs that they would be closed ( which the protest organizers quickly identified as jewish run businesses who were being racist against them so they were identified and their windows smashed, but we get to this in a little bit.)

Anyway, so this was suppose to be a giant Save the Poor Statue because we white people are victims rally on Saturday.

Instead these dipshits do an illegal march with torches on to the University of Virginia campus on Friday night. Spewing anti jewish rhetoric (because many local businesses were closed), chanting Nazi BS of Blood and Soil, throwing Nazi salutes, some dressed in KKK, some dressed as Nazis, and all completely illegal and not was what was told to the city of Charlottesville as to what would be occurring.

So these fucktards are doing illegal marches, provoking, insulting, spreading hate.

And according to you the citizens of Charlottesville should have just stayed in their homes and allowed this racist bullshit to happen in their city?

According to you these poor racist dipshits are just victims and none of this would have happened if it weren't for the left?

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

You're free to hide in your house and allow this to happen but don't blame people for saying, no, not in my city.

In no way am I condoning anything these fucktards (your word) did.

But we cannot allow civil liberties to be ignored because we don't like their speech or methods. You would open the door for government to label drug dealers and civil rights protesters or anarchist demonstrators to be labeled terrorists and the harsh treatment that follows.

According to me, there were two sides throwing punches. That can be seen in the many videos shown on TV and on YouTube.

Go ahead and punch a neo nazi if it makes you feel good. I don't think punching anyone is the right approach.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Didn't anyone see the story where the terrorist in the Challenger is supposed to be a schizophrenic?

Label him whatever you want, tell me he is mentally ill. Just put him down.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

In no way am I condoning anything these fucktards (your word) did.

But we cannot allow civil liberties to be ignored because we don't like their speech or methods. You would open the door for government to label drug dealers and civil rights protesters or anarchist demonstrators to be labeled terrorists and the harsh treatment that follows.

According to me, there were two sides throwing punches. That can be seen in the many videos shown on TV and on YouTube.

Go ahead and punch a neo nazi if it makes you feel good. I don't think punching anyone is the right approach.

I'm not ignoring or saying anyone's civil liberties should be taken away. The racist fucktards had a legal permit for a rally on Saturday afternoon.

They held an illegal torch march on Friday evening and then were illegally marching around the city saying hateful shit on Saturday morning. Because of those actions their permit for Saturday afternoon was revoked. They ignored that and attempted to have their rally anyways.

This is 100% on them.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not ignoring or saying anyone's civil liberties should be taken away. The racist fucktards had a legal permit for a rally on Saturday afternoon.

They held an illegal torch march on Friday evening and then were illegally marching around the city saying hateful shit on Saturday morning. Because of those actions their permit for Saturday afternoon was revoked. They ignored that and attempted to have their rally anyways.

This is 100% on them.

There were similar illegal marches in D.C. the day Trump was sworn in, and the days after. So what?

I'm not particularly a fan of regulating free speech and assembly with permits in the first place.

Calling road rage a terrorist act is taking away the fucktard's civil rights. We have more appropriate laws regarding hate crimes that actually fit what happened, and carry the severest of penalties. That's what is being applied and rightly so. The fucktard should get the chair (or whatever) for MURDER.

You can go back through this thread and count the number of times I've called these vile people just that - vile.

WE are allowing someone's civil liberties to be taken away if we allow government to loosely apply the terrorist label to whoever they want to "get." Precedent.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I'm not ignoring or saying anyone's civil liberties should be taken away. The racist fucktards had a legal permit for a rally on Saturday afternoon.

They held an illegal torch march on Friday evening and then were illegally marching around the city saying hateful shit on Saturday morning. Because of those actions their permit for Saturday afternoon was revoked. They ignored that and attempted to have their rally anyways.

This is 100% on them.

A. A permit to protest is just idiotic.
B. If they broke the law prior to their "permitted"protest arrest them.

I don't see how one can argue that they should have their permit pulled. Keep the permit in place, if they are in jail while it is active who cares?

They're all moronic shitbirds. If we don't let them demonstrate their idiocy without trampling on their rights you give them something to be defensive about.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

There were similar illegal marches in D.C. the day Trump was sworn in, and the days after. So what?

I'm not particularly a fan of regulating free speech and assembly with permits in the first place.

Calling road rage a terrorist act is taking away the fucktard's civil rights. We have more appropriate laws regarding hate crimes that actually fit what happened, and carry the severest of penalties. That's what is being applied and rightly so. The fucktard should get the chair (or whatever) for MURDER.

You can go back through this thread and count the number of times I've called these vile people just that - vile.

WE are allowing someone's civil liberties to be taken away if we allow government to loosely apply the terrorist label to whoever they want to "get." Precedent.

Agree, I don't see how a permit should be needed unless you block a street like a parade.

 

[Denny Crane]

Agree, I don't see how a permit should be needed unless you block a street like a parade.

Even so. The civil rights movement would have gone nowhere if government were allowed to label them terrorists for breaking the law while trying to effect government policy.

Those acts of civil disobedience absolutely fit Nik's chosen definition. I say be REALLY careful because the precedent has future consequences.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Even so. The civil rights movement would have gone nowhere if government were allowed to label them terrorists for breaking the law while trying to effect government policy.

Those acts of civil disobedience absolutely fit Nik's chosen definition. I say be REALLY careful because the precedent has future consequences.

I thought about that but nowadays people will protest a small business for political reasons.

If you block the street my business is on daily because the bakery next door won't make cakes for someone I'm gonna be pissed.