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Don't see a lot of King George statues standing on American soil since the revolution either....even though Britain lost that war...also part of our history
 
The Confederate statues in a museum? The same one where Germany put statues of Hitler? Where Cambodia put statues of Pol Pot?

No. Melt them down and turn them into something useful.
Yeah just get rid of history that will fix everything. History whether negative or positive is extremely important. It belongs in a museum. There is a bunch of negative and tragic history shared today but it's still very important
 
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The statues mean what they mean. Even if they were erected as part of Jim Crow, they should stand forever to show what evil people did during the height of Jim Crow.
Oh is THAT their point? Oh okay. I thought it was their "beauty". Well, in that case, you'd be totally okay with us painting dicks all over them just to make totally clear that the point is to show that these people were sad losers.
 
Ironic that you try to make some moral equivalency and then argue against it.
sarcasm........I'm not as skilled at it as you but I try......you sense arguments where they don't exist....some call that baiting......that's all fine...what's ironic is your Trump lust that you'll abandon for a post every once in awhile to seem balanced, yet not....the statue issue has never been an issue for me, I've seen a lot of them but I understand why people protest the Confederate icons ..if a church replaces a pagan temple, they usually get rid of the voodoo dolls
 
This presidency has made Godwin's Law obsolete. Any political discussion now (often justifiably) starts at Nazis and proceeds from there.
 
yankee stadium was torn down, did the world forget about ruth and Gehrig and mantle?
edit for a local: or maris?
Ebbotts Field in Brooklynn torn down, team moved to LA, did we forget Jackie Robinson?
 
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Yeah just get rid of history that will fix everything. History whether negative or positive is extremely important. It belongs in a museum. There is a bunch of negative and tragic history shared today but it's still very important

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

Someone famous said that.
Its true.
 
We progressed past statue-based records when we invented writing.

But writing is becoming a lost art. Caligraphy is no longer taught. Hell. My handwriting has gotten worse over the years because I mostly type.
As we morph more and more into a technological world, it becomes faster and thus moire instant, and the past seems to be forgotten.

I'm willing to bet every thing I own that the majority of Antifa members do not know much about our history... REAL history. Most are young and interview as if they know it all but when presented with questions about historical facts, all too often deflect the topic to further their own uninformed agenda.

Im not saying right or wrong about he statues, i'm just saying regardless, we seem to be repeating things rather than studying history to NOT repeat them.
 
I'm willing to bet every thing I own that the majority of Antifa members do not know much about our history... REAL history.

I'm willing to bet a majority of American citizens do not know much about our history.

That said, I disagree with Santayana's sentiment that those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. Humans are condemned to repeat history, regardless. The same themes keep recurring, history tends to go in cycles (modified for the era). Because until our essential natures change, humans remain humans regardless of the time period with the same concerns and aggressions. In my opinion, though, while history cycles, continued social progress (as I'd define it) serves to reduce the amplitude on those cycles, causing less extreme swings towards violence and hatred. So, in that sense, even if individuals don't have a good memory of their high school history, memory of history tends to get baked into the development of society.
 
Oh is THAT their point? Oh okay. I thought it was their "beauty". Well, in that case, you'd be totally okay with us painting dicks all over them just to make totally clear that the point is to show that these people were sad losers.

They are works of art, too.

So when the polls say 25% think the statues should come down, are we going to be undemocratic about that, too? I mean. some don't want democratic elections anymore, either.

And painting dicks on anything kinda makes you the dick.
 
So when the polls say 25% think the statues should come down, are we going to be undemocratic about that, too?

When polls show a majority of Americans want Obamacare preserved with minor fixes or that a majority of Americans want universal health care, you sneer at the idea of making policy based on popularity and mutter imprecations against the "tyranny of the majority."

When polls are in favor of your cause to leave up statues commemorating the Confederacy, suddenly it's "undemocratic" not to do what the polls say.
 
When polls show a majority of Americans want Obamacare preserved with minor fixes or that a majority of Americans want universal health care, you sneer at the idea of making policy based on popularity and mutter imprecations against the "tyranny of the majority."

When polls are in favor of your cause to leave up statues commemorating the Confederacy, suddenly it's "undemocratic" not to do what the polls say.

It's not my cause. I already said I am ambivalent about the statues. I just don't see the idiotic arguments against, and neither do the vast majority of the people.

This isn't a close poll, or one that was heavily against until a massive media campaign in recent days.
 
According to polls, the majority of Americans didn't want to enter WWII.
 
It's not my cause.

It is. You've argued as passionately for this as anything you've ever argued for on this board. It's clearly deeply important to you to preserve monuments to slave culture.

Just own your beliefs, don't try to coyly "just sayin' :dunno: " them away like PapaG used to.
 
And that ugly thing you just posted wasn't wiped off the face of the earth or defaced.
How do you know this? There's a large collection of these pieces and when they were painted, they were called ART........and due to our evolving sense of political correctness....they are not publicly displayed....I believe Spike Lee or Samuel Jackson have collections of these things....you won't see them hanging in the public parks anytime soon..and I'd bet most have been defaced or destroyed.....they have been photographed though, probably for civil rights references....as have medieval torture devices....
 
It is. You've argued as passionately for this as anything you've ever argued for on this board. It's clearly deeply important to you to preserve monuments to slave culture.

Just own your beliefs, don't try to coyly "just sayin' :dunno: " them away like PapaG used to.

I just don't think they should be taken down because it's the foolish cause du jour.
 
How do you know this? There's a large collection of these pieces and when they were painted, they were called ART........and due to our evolving sense of political correctness....they are not publicly displayed....I believe Spike Lee or Samuel Jackson have collections of these things....you won't see them hanging in the public parks anytime soon..

You were able to find and post it. Thus not wiped off the face of the earth.
 
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